Rumor: Kypreos says Matthews will be 13.5M (Haggling over term)

[dubey]

Rumor has it #34 wants $14.34 per season

Intradasting I heard he wants 10.34 per season

 

[Killer Orcas]

I wouldn't be shocked to see this drag into training camp and then he stops talking saying doesn't want the distraction and walks to UFA. Not saying he's leaving but he definitely is about the dollar and will only get more next off season with cap rising.

 

[Fatass]

He deserves that and more, hope he gets 15x8.

AM might get 15 per but the term will still be short. 3-4 years.
I just don’t see what the Leafs can do other than give in to all AM’s contract demands. He has all the negotiating leverage. What leverage do the Leafs have? None imo.

 

[Legion34]

By age

Link to that report?

Elliotte Friedman has said it multiple
Times on 32 thoughts.

I don’t know if you listen at all…. But I want to say it was just again the last few podcasts.

 

[keglu]

Cap change
2016-2017: +2.24%
McDavid signs July 1st, 2017
2017-2018: +2.74%
2018-2019: +6.00%
Matthews signs Feb. 5th 2019.

What part of that is confusing? Just an unfortunate circumstance the biggest raise happens right before Matthews signs.

Jun. 18, 2017 +2.74%
July 1 , 2017 McDavid signs
Jun. 21, 2018 +6.00%
Feb. 5th 2019. Matthews signs

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

If Matthews left the Leafs, these same folks would be telling us how bad we lost out. People coming to terms that Matthews will stay a leaf explains this thread

Coming to terms?

Everyone is hoping Matthews signs for a long time so the Leafs are guaranteed playoff mediocrity for eternity.

 

[Divine]

Jun. 18, 2017 +2.74%
July 1 , 2017 McDavid signs
Jun. 21, 2018 +6.00%
Feb. 5th 2019. Matthews signs

So Matthews signed on a cap 6% higher - that’s pretty significant.

Especially given the fact that the growth of the cap was over double the rate it grew in previous years, suggesting further growth would be elevated.

If McDavid’s contract was 6% higher, relative to the cap difference - he would be making 13.25M x 8.

Now, compare that to if Matthews signed at the time McDavid did - 6% lower - it would be 10.94M.

Basically, if you reverse the order they were signed and only account for the cap difference, ignoring that McDavid signed earlier in his career - you have Matthews making 10.94M vs McDavid making 13.25M.

The gap was lowered because McDavid signed on a 6% lower cap, Matthews signed on a 6% higher cap. That creates a 12% difference between the two contracts. That 12% bridged the gap between the two contracts and Matthews was labelled greedy for having a contract too close to McDavid’s.

 

[keglu]

So Matthews signed on a cap 6% higher - that’s pretty significant.

Especially given the fact that the growth of the cap was over double the rate it grew in previous years, suggesting further growth would be elevated.

If McDavid’s contract was 6% higher, relative to the cap difference - he would be making 13.25M x 8.

Now, compare that to if Matthews signed at the time McDavid did - 6% lower - it would be 10.94M.

Basically, if you reverse the order they were signed and only account for the cap difference, ignoring that McDavid signed earlier in his career - you have Matthews making 10.94M vs McDavid making 13.25M.

The gap was lowered because McDavid signed on a 6% lower cap, Matthews signed on a 6% higher cap. That creates a 12% difference between the two contracts. That 12% bridged the gap between the two contracts and Matthews was labelled greedy for having a contract too close to McDavid’s.

Sure is 6% is significant but this creates another issue where McDavid contract started after that 6% increase making it even better in comparison to Matthews (started after only 2.52% increase)
And not sure what you meant by that 12% diffeence, it does not work like that.

In the end i assume people believe MCDavid is different tier of player and Matthews signing at similar time should not be within 1m from his contract.

 

[AvroArrow]

Rumor has it #34 wants $14.34 per season

I heard he wants to take a team discount to win and sign for $8.34M per season, source = myself

 

[Divine]

Sure is 6% is significant but this creates another issue where McDavid contract started after that 6% increase making it even better in comparison to Matthews (started after only 2.52% increase)
And not sure what you meant by that 12% diffeence, it does not work like that.

In the end i assume people believe MCDavid is different tier of player and Matthews signing at similar time should not be within 1m from his contract.

What? I’m saying if you switched them it would be a bigger difference.

Matthews contract would be 6% less because the current contract accounts for the 6% raise.

McDavid’s contract would be 6% more than it is currently because it doesn’t account for the raise.

I agree that the Leafs should have signed Matthews after his second year, but they had a braindead GM at the time who thought it was better to wait for some reason.

 

[mkatcherin00]

As an Oiler fan I'm not feeling secure about anything until there's ink on paper. The culture thing might be a lot of marketing. It is great that there are very tight friends but they can be friends on other teams

I don't think so. Where are either going to be successful at their new cap hits. They want to play together

His wife just opened her headquarter in Edmonton. Connor lives down the block from the owner and spent like 6 million on his house

 

[keglu]

I agree that the Leafs should have signed Matthews after his second year, but they had a braindead GM at the time who thought it was better to wait for some reason.

Either way he would be signed after 6% cap increase. But probably waiting till end of 3rd season would be best bet after not signing him earlier since he was regressing after hot start

 

[Divine]

Either way he would be signed after 6% cap increase. But probably waiting till end of 3rd season would be best bet after not signing him earlier since he was regressing after hot start

Yeah, you can’t avoid the cap rise with Matthews.

Dubas was paranoid though. There were rumours that Arizona was preparing an offer sheet and Dubas didn’t want to wait for the off-season because of that. Also, you can’t predict if Matthews was going to slow down or pick up his pace.

He was on a 100 point pace when he was signed, on a higher cap. The contract made sense for what it was.

 

[Leafs87]

I wouldn't be shocked to see this drag into training camp and then he stops talking saying doesn't want the distraction and walks to UFA. Not saying he's leaving but he definitely is about the dollar and will only get more next off season with cap rising.

I think that would honestly depend on his season. With a repeat of his last season, I would say that he’d only be disservicing his own interests by letting this drag out. This situation is feeling similar to Stamkos. He’s a great player, but he’s already being paid more than fairly for his current contribution. Hold the line, as you know Toronto offers him more than others can. The marketing dollars here are much greater, and they are competitive and can fit him in without moving out much (would still remain competitive). If he truly cannot see this and wants to be greedy, I wouldn’t mind this be a situation where they move him.

 

[keglu]

Yeah, you can’t avoid the cap rise with Matthews.

Dubas was paranoid though. There were rumours that Arizona was preparing an offer sheet and Dubas didn’t want to wait for the off-season because of that. Also, you can’t predict if Matthews was going to slow down or pick up his pace.

He was on a 100 point pace when he was signed, on a higher cap. The contract made sense for what it was.

Either way you won't ruin your team by overpaying star player by 1m . Every team has more than that in bad contracts. Problem for Leafs is that every year there are few teams with much better cap situation like Tampa/Vegas using LTIR, Avs with Mack at 6m, Toews at 4m, Kadri at 4m, Nichuskin at 2m etc. You will have hard time winning with mostly fair contracts.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Either way you won't ruin your team by overpaying star player by 1m . Every team has more than that in bad contracts. Problem for Leafs is that every year there are few teams with much better cap situation like Tampa/Vegas using LTIR, Avs with Mack at 6m, Toews at 4m, Kadri at 4m, Nichuskin at 2m etc. You will have hard time winning with mostly fair contracts.

Toews never made 4, went from ELC to 6.3. Hasn’t made that for 9 years.

 

[Nico Hischier]

He is truly a great player but he’s not mcdavid. I would rather have 2 players that would equal a similar cap hit

Jack Hughes and Bratt is in the 15 range

Tage Thompson and cozens is in the 14 range

Put Mathews in the era before the salary cap and I bet people would think a lot different of him

 

[keglu]

Toews never made 4, went from ELC to 6.3. Hasn’t made that for 9 years.

Im talking about Avs and Devon Toews.

He is truly a great player but he’s not mcdavid. I would rather have 2 players that would equal a similar cap hit

Jack Hughes and Bratt is in the 15 range

Tage Thompson and cozens is in the 14 range

Put Mathews in the era before the salary cap and I bet people would think a lot different of him

Obviously but it is not like Leafs have this choice to make.

 

[Fatass]

He is truly a great player but he’s not mcdavid. I would rather have 2 players that would equal a similar cap hit

Jack Hughes and Bratt is in the 15 range

Tage Thompson and cozens is in the 14 range

Put Mathews in the era before the salary cap and I bet people would think a lot different of him

Of course, but will Treliving think like you or will he give in to whatever Matthews wants? And if Matthews does walk July 1, 2024 which two UFAs (at that time) will be available for the Leafs to sign to replace him at 14-15 mil?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Im talking about Avs and Devon Toews.



Obviously but it is not like Leafs have this choice to make.

Ahh ok , ya smart GMing for the Avs, I agree.

 

[Dr Pepper]

I wouldn't be shocked to see this drag into training camp and then he stops talking saying doesn't want the distraction and walks to UFA. Not saying he's leaving but he definitely is about the dollar and will only get more next off season with cap rising.

Even with the cap going up (we can only hope, right?), wouldn't it still be accurate that Matthews gets more over 8 years in Toronto than he'd get in any 7-year deal next offseason?

 

[Killer Orcas]

Even with the cap going up (we can only hope, right?), wouldn't it still be accurate that Matthews gets more over 8 years in Toronto than he'd get in any 7-year deal next offseason?

Yes but doesn't seem like he cares about signing any long term deals. However who knows what he wants and discussion is. This is all speculation on our parts. Hopefully this gets resolved For Leafs sake before season starts.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Even with the cap going up (we can only hope, right?), wouldn't it still be accurate that Matthews gets more over 8 years in Toronto than he'd get in any 7-year deal next offseason?

Not sure, longest rumoured deal is 5 years for some reason.

 

[Voight]

Signing Tavares is the root cause. Because he almost immediately became the teams #2C when Matthews emerged. And he obviously was not going to take less than Tavares because he was the better player (or at least was going to be very soon). And then Marner could also make the claim for double digits because he had actually outperformed Matthews in terms of stats.

If you fellas think Lou could've gotten Matthews and Marner signed to 8 year deals on single digits, lol. Doesn't really matter who the GM was, because signing Tavares probably came from above the GM as well.

Eichel getting $10million/year set the floor for any Matthews/Marner contract extension.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Eichel getting $10million/year set the floor for any Matthews/Marner contract extension.

Eichel signed for 8 years though. If he'd only signed for 5 years, that AAV probably falls in the $9-$9.5 million range.