Kyper: Lawrence Gillman gone, nope just kidding he's coming back.//update: he's gone

[Pyrophorus]

Yes, he's shown he can't get them over the hump when the games matter.
Do you believe he was crucial to the record breaking season? Another coach wouldn't have had the same or better results?

Only his 2nd try, and the Bolts needed the refs help.
I will the Leafs actual lack of scoring hurt them....they needed to over come the Bolts and the refs

No blame for doing everything right.
Another coach....any other: Yeo, Ducharme, if you believe so, I have to see your crystal ball
The coaches out there, didn't prove they were better.

 

[ACC1224]

Only his 2nd try, and the Bolts needed the refs help.
I will the Leafs actual lack of scoring hurt them....they needed to over come the Bolts and the refs

No blame for doing everything right.
Another coach....any other: Yeo, Ducharme, if you believe so, I have to see your crystal ball
The coaches out there, didn't prove they were better.

Wasn't he behind the bench for the Columbus play in series?
Sounds like you are more leaning that the GM didn't put a good squad together and Keefe is getting the most out of it.
I think Dubas has put a pretty good team together that Keefe is holding back.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I thought MLS banned it's employee's from participating in HFBoards there Kyle ? Surely you jest ? All I can say is please step away from the pipe .

Don't worry no will touch your pipe.

 

[Menzinger]

The most overrated member of this management group by a long shot. Where was his genius when signing the big four to those disastrous cap hits? Crickets......

The ultimate call for a players contract in that regard lie with the GM (for better or for worse) not the guy who has to work out the details of it

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Yes, he's shown he can't get them over the hump when the games matter.
Do you believe he was crucial to the record breaking season? Another coach wouldn't have had the same or better results?

Ask a Keefe supporter what he does well and all you get back is winningest percentage ever and 115pts...that's about it. What does he do specifically? ....you get crickets.

 

[cannucky]

Don't worry no will touch your pipe.

Look Mommy that mans Peepee has ears

 

[Gabriel426]

Ask a Keefe supporter what he does well and all you get back is winningest percentage ever and 115pts...that's about it. What does he do specifically? ....you get crickets.

He gets respect when he shakes hand with people.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Look Mommy that mans Peepee has ears

You quoted to the wrong person.

 

[zeke]

Ask a Keefe supporter what he does well and all you get back is winningest percentage ever and 115pts...that's about it. What does he do specifically? ....you get crickets.

Expected Goals Against Per 60

16-17 Babs: #28
17-18 Babs: #24
18-19 Babs: #25
19-20 Babs: #28

19-20 Keefe: #15
20-21 Keefe: #10
21-22 Keefe: #4

 

[Atomos2]

What we're hearing on Jack Campbell negotiations, the Maple Leafs' front-office changes

Campbell's agent Kurt Overhardt spoke with The Athletic on what's been going on with his client's contract and Toronto.

theathletic.com

The top of the management structure will remain intact. In addition to Dubas, Brandon Pridham, and team president Brendan Shanahan, we can confirm that Laurence Gilman will be sticking around as assistant GM and senior vice president of the Marlies.

Gilman has been in the mix for GM jobs in recent years. He was reportedly a leading candidate for the Vancouver Canucks GM job, which ultimately went to Patrik Allvin.

 

[hfman]

Aside from the first two games vs Colorado the leafs were the only other team in three post seasons to make the lightning look beatable over a 7 game series. Sucks it was round 1, again but thems the breaks. Doesn’t mean the team isn’t good or very close.
The two finalists, St. Louis and Toronto have been the best teams this post season if you actually watch the games.
There was a lot of mediocre play in the pacific and metro brackets imo

we've gone from



trying to win a cup

to trying to win a round

to don't worry about winning so long as we make the other team look beatable


the expectation bar has been lowered to 6 feet under

 

[Nylanderthal]

No on

we've gone from



trying to win a cup

to trying to win a round

to don't worry about winning so long as we make the other team look beatable


the expectation bar has been lowered to 6 feet under

No, the expectations are to win a cup, that’s the same goal we all have, there’s just adults here trying to have conversations about where things went wrong this year and how to correct them next year.
This is a ridiculous comment.

 

[ACC1224]

we've gone from



trying to win a cup

to trying to win a round

to don't worry about winning so long as we make the other team look beatable


the expectation bar has been lowered to 6 feet under

Yep, pretty much.

 

[WTFMAN99]

He and Bourne last season said it was the worst lineup, in the Dubas era.

Leafs smash records, get home ice...


A coach the led a team to a points record, deserves to go?

Raptors fired the coach of the year and went on to win a title with a different coach.

 

[justashadowof]

Dubas has built a juggernaut for winning routine regular season games. That's it. It isn't unprecedented that a strong regular season team never progresses past that.

 

[justashadowof]

Raptors fired the coach of the year and went on to win a title with a different coach.

The Devils fired a coach (Ftorek) with 8 games remaining in a season and won the Stanley Cup in that playoffs. They changed the coach again twice in 2 years and won another Stanley Cup all while having a great regular season record. Imagine that.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The Devils fired a coach (Ftorek) with 8 games remaining in a season and won the Stanley Cup in that playoffs. They changed the coach again twice in 2 years and won another Stanley Cup all while having a great regular season record. Imagine that.

I believe that this is a results oriented business and ultimately with Dubas having gone 0-4 in the 1st round and Keefe 0-3...as first time guys at their respective NHL positions, they'd be out on their ass in most cases because of the expectations that would come in having our young talent.

I think Keefe wears it more than Dubas the last couple of years but definitely don't understand the folks that wouldn't fire the GM, coach or trade any of the core players....it's no longer a small sample size.

 

[justashadowof]

I believe that this is a results oriented business and ultimately with Dubas having gone 0-4 in the 1st round and Keefe 0-3...as first time guys at their respective NHL positions, they'd be out on their ass in most cases because of the expectations that would come in having our young talent.

I think Keefe wears it more than Dubas the last couple of years but definitely don't understand the folks that wouldn't fire the GM, coach or trade any of the core players....it's no longer a small sample size.

The GM can't be too attached to his players or his coach. It may be that simple. But in the end this is on the Shanahan that he hasn't been demanding enough of results in the playoffs. The question has to be: how many 1st round exits in a row is too many for Shanahan? The crazy thing is that Babcock wasn't fired as a direct result of losing 3 1st round series in a row although I'd bet the house Dubas used it as a justification as he lobbied the firing to Shanahan. Interesting that Keefe's 3 1st round losses have been easily much worse than Babcock's especially considering that the young stars are more experienced and physically mature.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The GM can't be too attached to his players or his coach. It may be that simple. But in the end this is on the Shanahan that he hasn't been demanding enough of results in the playoffs. The question has to be: how many 1st round exits in a row is too many for Shanahan? The crazy thing is that Babcock wasn't fired as a direct result of losing 3 1st round series in a row although I'd bet the house Dubas used it as a justification as he lobbied the firing to Shanahan. Interesting that Keefe's 3 1st round losses have been easily much worse than Babcock's especially considering that the young stars are more experienced and physically mature.

All good points.

You have Matthews, Marner 88 in the prime and JT probably exiting his now.

Washington and even pushing Boston to 7 games felt like moral victories. Losing the 2nd series to Boston after adding JT and Muzzin felt like a let down...

CBJ, MTL and TBL (up 3-2 in series) felt like a let down....the refs blah blah excuses is very tired.

Winners win. I know a cup is hard to win but I would just want to see a series win at this point so there are signs that these guys might be capable of pulling it off at some point.

Hayes on TSN has it right at this point, it's a dynasty of losing currently.

 

[DarkKnight]

Expected Goals Against Per 60

16-17 Babs: #28
17-18 Babs: #24
18-19 Babs: #25
19-20 Babs: #28

19-20 Keefe: #15
20-21 Keefe: #10
21-22 Keefe: #4

16-17 Lost
17-18 Lost
18-19 Lost
19-20 Lost The Room

19-20 Still Lost
20-21 Oops Lost Again
21-22 Lost But Received Firm Handshake and X over Z parade

If anyone asked when Keefe was hired, if he didn’t have a playoff round win in his first three years, should he stay, exactly nobody would argue that’s good enough. Every summer, move the goalposts and bathe ourselves in useless advanced stars while others play on and engrave names on things that actually count in sport. The off-season is hilarious here and it’s no wonder other fan bases mock us.

Keefe is a mediocre coach, gifted with generational talent. His self satisfied pre-game 4 presser belied a guy who truly didn’t understand the moment and was instead content, his team played like that.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Expected Goals Against Per 60

16-17 Babs: #28
17-18 Babs: #24
18-19 Babs: #25
19-20 Babs: #28

19-20 Keefe: #15
20-21 Keefe: #10
21-22 Keefe: #4

So you're saying that having Hainsey and Zaitsev along with Gardiner was not affecting Babs? Did he have the same team to work with?

 

[Bigmarycombo]

Dubas has built a juggernaut for winning routine regular season games. That's it. It isn't unprecedented that a strong regular season team never progresses past that.

Sorry have to disagree
He hasn’t built a juggernaut the only reason we won as much as we did was Matthews and marner carried the team on their backs and willed us to wins. Tavares and nylander disappeared for far too many games. Third line was ok at times and I’m not even going to comment on the fourth line.

So our success was based on the best center in the league and one of the best wingers in the league.

I really didn’t see what Keefe did that was so great. I think the rest of the league realizes that and is the reason Keefe wasn’t nominated for coach of the year

 

[zeke]

So you're saying that having Hainsey and Zaitsev along with Gardiner was not affecting Babs? Did he have the same team to work with?

1. You can see the instant difference within the same season 18-19.

2. Are you saying that Dubas vastly improved the defense without hurting the offense?

 

[ToneDog]

16-17 Lost
17-18 Lost
18-19 Lost
19-20 Lost The Room

19-20 Still Lost
20-21 Oops Lost Again
21-22 Lost But Received Firm Handshake and X over Z parade

If anyone asked when Keefe was hired, if he didn’t have a playoff round win in his first three years, should he stay, exactly nobody would argue that’s good enough. Every summer, move the goalposts and bathe ourselves in useless advanced stars while others play on and engrave names on things that actually count in sport. The off-season is hilarious here and it’s no wonder other fan bases mock us.

Keefe is a mediocre coach, gifted with generational talent. His self satisfied pre-game 4 presser belied a guy who truly didn’t understand the moment and was instead content, his team played like that.

Under Dubas:

Expected Cups = 4
Actual Cups = 0

Be patient, Lord Stanley is coming.

 

[DarkKnight]

So you're saying that having Hainsey and Zaitsev along with Gardiner was not affecting Babs? Did he have the same team to work with?

Nobody wants Babs back, but he also had Matthews Marner and Nylander who were pre-prime. Does any fair observer not compute Keefe has these guys at the optimal time. How can comparative stats compute growth and evolution, having more complete stars? It can’t, but why see the world as more than an excel file?