Kyle Dubas will not be back as GM

[Voight]

Dubas was not the problem, he literally did everything possible to put a winning team in Toronto.

He built a great organization, losing him is a massive blow, no matter how they spin this.

This firing is 100% because of the players underdelivering

Of course.

But GMs/coaches (Keefe is likely to get canned by the end GM, they always wanna bring in their own guy) always get the shaft when a team doesn't succeed.

 

[SI90]

But I was told he was the chosen one? The messiah? Boy wonder.

 

[ITM]

Look at the vultures who ripped on him for years now flock to this thread salivating that their team signs him.

The reaction would be the same with Keefe, Marner, Nylander, etc.

Dubas, Keefe and Marner merit doubt. And I say that as a glass-half full supporter of Dubas and a pre-draft advocate of Marner (My signature read: "Make Mine Marner").

However, Nylander would prove the point though. He's a starting point of retention moving forward. Love his game.

 

[bossram]

Taking an approach that no one else sees coming.

Now, that's definitely not a bad take, especially in the NHL where they like to recycle failures, but the guy they chose was too obvious in his approach and didn't seem to willing to deviate from his plan despite obvious flaws.

This is still not really saying anything. Can you explain what "taking an approach that no one else sees coming" entails?

What moves were trying to be "the smartest person in the room" or "no else saw coming"? What is this approach's organizational strategy, in concrete terms?

 

[John Mandalorian]

It’s a firing. The Leafs in their statement didn’t even go the “mutually part ways” thing some teams do in situations like this, they’re just not bringing him back.

Nope. The noise recently is that the Leafs' decision makers wanted him back but he's pushed back saying he needs time and space to think about it.

They might have not wanted to risk waiting. And either chose to proceed this way or were told if they need an answer now, it's no.

Too much is unknown to make bold assumptions. But you can certainly have reason to think Dubas' choice might be driving this.

 

[Voight]

I don’t by the fact that it’s Toronto or nothing, i think a president opportunity could sway things

Agreed. Theres only 32 GM jobs and I really cant see him (or anyone) saying no to another one. Especially given his age.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

Worst GM in NHL history

 

[Oleksiak]

Toronto bringing in someone actually qualified for the position could really turn things around. Sad day for those of us who enjoy seeing the Leafs choke.

 

[ITM]

Fletcher and Quinn?! LMAO

holy shit those perennial losers were so bad that Jeff Finger and Carlo Colaiacovo became household names for all the wrong reasons.

What's the difference between Fletcher's Leafs, Quinn's Leafs and Dubas' Leafs in terms of playoffs success? Specifically, where did each team exit?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Teams release seems to imply that they chose to move on from him

See post 131.

 

[Green]

Wow, he probably screwed up with the Tavares signing and subsequent having to give higher salaries to their younger players but he did not do a bad job, some puck luck they could have had much more success the last few years, definitely did not think he would leave the Leafs, now I think there is a maybe a 25% chance Matthews leaves when before I thought it was like 5%

 

[Ronnie Residue]

you choke at life yet we're still reading your posts

That must’ve sounded better in your head.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Dubas was not the problem, he literally did everything possible to put a winning team in Toronto.

He built a great organization, losing him is a massive blow, no matter how they spin this.

This firing is 100% because of the players underdelivering

It wasn't a firing

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Toronto bringing in someone actually qualified for the position could really turn things around. Sad day for those of us who enjoy seeing the Leafs choke.

Yes maybe in another 20 years they can get out of round 1 again for a few minutes

 

[EdJovanovski]

I hear Jim Benning is available!

Would be a massive improvement

 

[Sens9292]

Signed Tavares, Brodie and traded for Muzzin/Foligno/Murray. That’s his legacy, everything else was already there for him.

 

[Voight]

toronto loses their best GM they've had in the last 5 decades, yikes.

Fletcher (1st run), Quinn?

 

[Community]

Lou?

Yeah. All Kyle had to do is keep Andersen.

What positives did Lou do for Toronto?
- outrageous contract for Marleau
- traded away Carter Verhaeghe in a package for Grabner
- terrible extension for Zaitsev
- Bad contract to Matt Martin
- Poor deadline acquisitions (Boyle & Plekanec)
- Poor drafting outside the 1st round.

His only good moves were the Kadri & Rielly extensions. He routinely overpaid for bottom 6 players in the form of trades & contracts.


He was a great GM back in the day, but his best days were behind him when he started at Toronto.

 

[King In The North]

Wow, he probably screwed up with the Tavares signing and subsequent having to give higher salaries to their younger players but he did not do a bad job, some puck luck they could have had much more success the last few years, definitely did not think he would leave the Leafs, now I think there is a maybe a 25% chance Matthews leaves when before I thought it was like 5%

25%? It's 50/50

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

But I was told he was the chosen one? The messiah? Boy wonder.

I'd wait until his career is at least a third of the way over before dancing on his grave.

 

[unicornpig]

And now we see HF flip and pretend they haven't pretended he is a bottom 5 GM this whole time. He is an elite GM, and wherever he goes he will turn that franchise around.

Will be badly missed

Stop making things up in your head

 

[Matty Sundin]

He actually made a lot of good moves but signing Tavares was the death of him.

 

[King In The North]

What positives did Lou do for Toronto?
- outrageous contract for Marleau
- traded away Carter Verhaeghe in a package for Grabner
- terrible extension for Zaitsev
- Bad contract to Matt Martin
- Poor deadline acquisitions (Boyle & Plekanec)
- Poor drafting outside the 1st round.

His only good moves were the Kadri & Rielly extensions. He routinely overpaid for bottom 6 players in the form of trades & contracts.


He was a great GM back in the day, but his best days were behind him when he started at Toronto.

As much as people shit on Dubas. he had to fix Lou and Hunter's mistakes essentially on the fly.

 

[rboomercat90]

HF will melt down after his new team beat the Leafs in R1 next season.

I’d be comfortable betting the Leafs (or anybody else really) after a season under different management would trounce a Kyle Dubas team in a playoff series.

 

[Three On Zero]

Wasn’t amazing but wasn’t terrible. Did well managing a Toronto team that was heavily pressed against the cap.