Kyle Dubas will not be back as GM

[rboomercat90]

This sounds to me like the organization made the decision not to bring him back. Contract is up so technically he wasn’t fired but in reality, he was fired.

 

[JS19]

Given his age, Kyle Dubas was a solid GM, and I think he still has room for growth. His acceptance of analytics is something that the league is trending towards anyway, with the difference being that you have to be aware enough to see where the product deviates from the expected path that the data is showing you. And I think that's Dubas's main limitation as a GM. I'm interested to see where he bounces back to, and how he uses the Leafs experiences to better himself as a GM. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins a Cup one day.

I would hope that the people crapping on Kyle for certain moves, also crap on Lamoriello for similar boneheaded moves (losing Connor Brown because you overpaid for Zaitsev, signing Patrick Marleau to a high AAV contract when he was cooked)

 

[Cup or Bust]

I think he did a good job. I didn't really understand why they signed Tavares or traded Kadri but other then that he did pretty good. Has the core played good enough to win in the playoffs though and is the core good enough or does it have the right players to win in the playoffs? That might be the question. Maybe his weakness is not knowing how to build the right type of core that can win in the playoffs.

 

[InAG-P]

People sitting here shitting on Dubas...as a Habs fan I find one particular thing hilarious. I fundamentally think Dubas had no clue how to build a playoff winning team. He finally figured it out this deadline when he went out and got ROR, Acciari, Mccabe and Lafferty. He's leaving just as I think he's finally learned to build a winner. The irony is that his core is still filled with folks that can't find the next gear. Interesting times ahead

Edit: spelling

 

[koyvoo]

Dubas was not the problem, he literally did everything possible to put a winning team in Toronto.

He built a great organization, losing him is a massive blow, no matter how they spin this.

This firing is 100% because of the players underdelivering

It’s true. He mixed and matched so many different pieces around those top 4 losers, mixing and matching like a giant puzzle pieces. He tried so many different things around those 4, and no matter what he tried, they always failed to produce to their standards and abilities when games matter.

 

[Mickey Marner]

 

[Dirty Dog]

He tripled down on his core group of players and they unfortunately never rewarded him for his faith. Ultimately, it is on his players—not him.

Also, the fact several of those players brutalized him during negotiations didn’t help

 

[who_me?]

Based on what?

1st playoff series win in 19 years.

Generational GM.

 

[leafsfan5]

He was good, improved a lot of his tenure

But he created a culture of complacency that needed to be changed. The concern is does MLSE f*** this up and get a worse GM (very possible)? The hope is we can snag Tulsky

 

[Artemi Panarin]

Wasn’t amazing but wasn’t terrible. Did well managing a Toronto team that was heavily pressed against the cap.

This is ironic

 

[JTToilinginToronto]

Stay far away from the NYI.

 

[AvroArrow]

This feels like when a talentless auto-tune mumble rapper dies and everyone pretends they were a legend or something.

LOL. I actually lol'd at this haha great analogy

 

[Muffin]

This sounds to me like the organization made the decision not to bring him back. Contract is up so technically he wasn’t fired but in reality, he was fired.

From his press conference it sounded like he was already offered an extension? Maybe they pulled the offer off the table after hearing what he said.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Is that confirmed? They could have pulled the offer since he wasn't able to handle Toronto's pressure which wouldn't have been lower next year.

It's semantics, but it sounds to me like they gave him the opportunity to sign a contract, and then took it off the table when he said he needed time because they don't have the luxury of time.

 

[Shrimper]

Why on earth would Dubas want to go to Pittsburgh bunch of aging players that all have full NMC no prospects and no goalie.

Full control. Something it has been mentioned he wants

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Darn. I thought he was in for a 8 year extension.

 

[AllDay28]

If you think two guys who’ve won nothing and are useless in the playoffs are worth $10+ million then good luck with that brain damage

Mcdavid and Nurse?

 

[Captain97]

Look at the vultures who ripped on him for years now flock to this thread salivating that their team signs him.

The reaction would be the same with Keefe, Marner, Nylander, etc.

I would love for dubas to be brought in as an AGM to run analytics and focus on non-player personel. As GM no.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Are you really taking them at their word by characterizing it this way?

I’m not really characterizing it with that, I’m just offering an explanation for why they might do this, because people seem dumbfounded. I’m also skeptical of the idea that they really wanted him back but also just couldn’t wait on him to make a decision when their season ended a week ago, but that has nothing to do with their statement, just basic logic.

 

[miscs75]

Mike Milbury of interest for the vacancy?

 

[AvroArrow]

I guess Leafs wanted a GM that was committed asap, not a guy who may or may not drag this thing on. The draft is coming soon and we need to be prepared.

Imagine if they waited 4-5 weeks and then Dubas says yeah guys i'm not coming back, we'd be screwed.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Full control. Something it has been mentioned he wants

Full control over something you have no ability to change. That certainly makes sense.

 

[Artemi Panarin]

I don't necessarily think he's a bad GM but he should have been fired like 2 years ago. Now they gotta look for a new GM in the same summer where the Matthews contract talks begin

 

[General Fanager]

He will have a job inside of a week (if he wants one)

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I guess Leafs wanted a GM that was committed asap, not a guy who may or may not drag this thing on. The draft is coming soon and we need to be prepared.

Imagine if they waited 4-5 weeks and then Dubas says yeah guys i'm not coming back, we'd be screwed.

This is clearly the situation imo.