Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[andora]

Did you listen to the full presser? Shanahan had a verbal agreement with Dubas after trade deadline that they wanted him back as GM. And reiterated that just before the Monday presser… what happened was Dubas either navigating through the media for leverage or simply wasn’t sure if he wanted to be back because of his family, Shanahan saw that as hesitation to commit to the job and then with a counter offer, the whole thing seemed suspect. Time to move on

Yep.. it was a slap in the face that showed a very different angle of dubas

 

[justashadowof]

The Dubas puppets are coming out of the woodwork……….

Guys like Jonas Siegel had a direct pipeline to Dubas. Dubas fed them lots of stuff in return for unfailing good press.

As for JS's thesis in that excerpt, the employer making the employee wait is not the same as the employee making the employer wait. And Dubas understood the nature of the expiring contract year, or at least paid lip service that he did, it was about Dubas exhibiting to Shanahan's and the Board's satisfaction that he has the team on the right track to a Stanley Cup and deserves an extension.

 

[Clark4Ever]

That's a very one sided view, not surprising considering the source.

It doesn't mention the underhanded tactics that Dubas used to derail contract negotiations.

 

[tokyoite]

good riddance

 

[Petrus]

damn i just can't stop dancing peeps

You gotta be a tad bit worried about the forthcoming AM34 negotiations.

We could be without a 1C after draft day.

 

[The Masters]

That's a very one sided view, not surprising considering the source.

It doesn't mention the underhanded tactics that Dubas used to derail contract negotiations.

jonas is a complete tool. anyone who listens to him knows he's a guy who would say this. Another soft goof

 

[Warden of the North]

I'm basically at the "nothing else has worked so can it really be worse?" stahe of fandom. My days of living and dying by every move of this franchise are done. Sit back and enjoy the fireworks this summer and see where we're at this fall

 

[Gabriel426]

You gotta be a tad bit worried about the forthcoming AM34 negotiations.

We could be without a 1C after draft day.

Are we going to miss losing in the first round?

I am sure the package we get for AM, if he chooses to leave, will be really good. Beside, lets start the countdown for McD and Drai coming to the Leafs.

 

[PromisedLand]

You gotta be a tad bit worried about the forthcoming AM34 negotiations.

We could be without a 1C after draft day.

Well I am off the opinion that if Matthews wants anything more than 12 AAV then trade him too.

I don't mind another scorched earth if we need to do it.

paying Matthews anything like 14 to 15 AAV is going to bite us on the behind anyway. I haven't seen Matthews take the bull by its horns in the playoffs in any year since we drafted him

 

[al secord]

Ignorance is bliss.

 

[IPS]

This thread was one of the best reads in awhile. Like some people have legitimately brainwashed themselves to believe every move Dubas made was straight genius.

Some of you truly have a case of Stockholm Syndrome with the Dubie cult. It's ok now guys, the denial can end.

 

[The Masters]

 

[Rare Jewel]

You gotta be a tad bit worried about the forthcoming AM34 negotiations.

We could be without a 1C after draft day.

Unless he wants stupid money, I have a hard believing that the next GM will come in and have the balls to move him with such little interaction.

 

[IPS]

I'm basically at the "nothing else has worked so can it really be worse?" stahe of fandom. My days of living and dying by every move of this franchise are done. Sit back and enjoy the fireworks this summer and see where we're at this fall

And people just wanna keep clinging on to it.

Do they find it that addicting to fail in the playoffs every year?

 

[hockeywiz542]

Inside the chaos and uncertainty Brendan Shanahan has brought upon the Maple Leafs

The decision to not bring Kyle Dubas back as general manager should cast an even brighter spotlight on Brendan Shanahan.

theathletic.com

Shanahan said he heard from Dubas’ agent on Thursday and was presented with what he said was a new “financial package.”

More money in other words.

It was just before dinner, Shanahan said, that Dubas emailed to say he would like to return. After some soul searching, on the heels of a disappointing season, he was committed to being the GM again.

“At that point, if I’m being honest, I had gotten to a different place about how I felt about the future of the Toronto Maple Leafs and what was best,” Shanahan said. “The email that I received from Kyle, I just felt differently. And I felt that the long-term future of the Maple Leafs might have to change.”

This means it wasn’t Dubas’ job performance that concerned him and ultimately cost him his job. Quite the opposite. Shanahan stressed repeatedly how pleased he was with the job Dubas had done. It’s why the Leafs were ready to commit to him before the playoffs.

No, what apparently swayed them was Dubas’ brief, days-long reluctance to coming back. Even though the Leafs had left him dangling without a contract all season, a moment of hesitation on his part led them to dramatically change course and dive deep into the unknown.

Which frankly seems like an unusual way of doing business, especially with all that pressing work ahead.

Door 1 was Dubas. The known commodity. Someone who had established relationships with the players and especially the stars, but also someone who appeared willing, finally, to change course and perhaps move on from one of those stars. Someone who had built the Leafs up into a high-functioning operation.

Door 2 was a giant question mark.

The Leafs chose Door 2 and the giant question mark, all because, it seems, Dubas hesitated.

That giant question mark will now be entrusted with convincing Matthews to stay by July 1, trading one of those stars, and presumably finding a new coach to replace Dubas’ guy, Sheldon Keefe. All in a matter of weeks. And because those decisions are so massive, so franchise-changing, the Leafs will evidently seek out someone with experience – which narrows the pool of candidates considerably to those who’ve been GMs before.

It might not be the best person for the job necessarily then.

Does that mean that said person will do a better job than Dubas would have? Maybe. Maybe not. That person will be walking into an organization they’re completely unfamiliar with and will nonetheless have to execute a series of whoppers in a matter of weeks.

Not great!

The Leafs could have simply brought Dubas back to do the work he started.

 

[keonsbitterness]

The organization is what truly matters, made up of committed individuals at the player, coaching and front office level that can push towards a common goal.

I first read that as 'convicted individuals'. Maybe MLSE should look into penitentiary hockey.

I don’t want to celebrate people losing their jobs in this economy or any economy, but how many posters just lost their job this afternoon.

Jobs lost, not sure. Minds lost, definitely a few.

I thought maybe they told him he wasn't being renewed, but were being nice and letting him bow out 'due to family'. Looks like that wasn't the case.

His contract was set to end June 30. If he got fired today, it ended today.

His contract still exists until then but his employment is over.

It's a privilege being part of the Toronto Maple Leafs...Dubas made it sound like it was a burden at his presser. Any sane person looking at that will have doubts. Shanny made the right decision letting Dubas go.

Maybe the pressure of this lame-duck season finally got to Dubas and he had a bit of a mini-breakdown.

 

[Petrus]

Are we going to miss losing in the first round?

I am sure the package we get for AM, if he chooses to leave, will be really good. Beside, lets start the countdown for McD and Drai coming to the Leafs.

Lol. McJesus and Drai are not signing here. It’s not any better here.

 

[Mr. Fancy Pants]

LeBrun: Rival NHL GMs weigh in on Kyle Dubas after his split with the Maple Leafs

Former Flames GM Brad Treliving on Dubas: "Kyle is a smart, calculated and thoughtful manager, and he did a good job."

theathletic.com

Partly a matter of money, partly a wrestle for power, people can and will debate for years how this played out and which exact version of events they want to believe, but the bottom line is that Dubas is out as Leafs GM after five years.

Maybe we’ll look back in years and say this was a bold and brilliant pivot from Shanahan after seeing what he perceived as red flags in Dubas’ hesitance or contract counter. Or maybe it’ll go down as one of the organization’s great blunders to let this 37-year-old GM go.

And there will be time for Dubas, too, to look back at whether he overplayed his hand.

No one has that answer yet.

...........

“Came in as a young GM, was very respectful with his peers,” Bergevin said. “Montreal and Toronto are the most pressure markets in the NHL, for sure. Passionate fan bases.”

Here’s what they said.

Blue Jackets GM Jarmo Kekalainen: “I have the utmost respect for Kyle, both as a professional and as a person. He’s always a straight shooter to deal with. No bulls—. Just an all-around really good person and a professional. All our discussions were straightforward and analytical. I think he has a very thorough approach to everything; you have to be prepared when you talk to him because he’s going to look at things from every angle. I have a lot of respect for him.”

Oilers GM Ken Holland: “Very bright young man. Very respectful. I thought he did a great job in his time running the Leafs, having them near the top of the standings every year.”

Panthers GM Bill Zito: “Obviously, a very bright man. And a guy that I have a lot of faith in his character. He’s a guy you could do a deal with. And if it wasn’t papered, you could tell the (player) go ahead get on the plane. As an agent, we used to say if you did a deal with a GM and you didn’t have a contract back yet, would you send your player on the plane? That’s a level of respect I have for Kyle’s integrity. Obviously, I’m very fond of him. I think he did a hell of a job there.”

Outgoing Predators GM David Poile: “I think Kyle is one of the finest young minds in hockey. I really enjoyed getting to know him. He was a great contributor at the GM (meetings) level. Always good to talk to on the phone on hockey and GM things, players. Very impressed with Kyle every time I talked to him.”

Hurricanes team president and GM Don Waddell: “Kyle is a very smart person. Being in a tougher media market, he doesn’t allow the pressure to affect his decisions.”

Former Flames GM Brad Treliving: “Kyle is a smart, calculated and thoughtful manager, and he did a good job.”

And finally, when reaching out to Lightning GM Julien BriseBois, he referred me to the comment he gave me after the first round of the playoffs when the Leafs beat Tampa Bay and I asked him about Dubas and the Leafs finally winning a playoff series.

“Kyle has done a remarkable job from the day he was promoted to GM,” BriseBois told me on April 29. “He and his management team never leave any stone unturned. They are always grinding and coming up with creative ways to move their team forward. He has been bold and resolute in a very challenging environment in which to act thusly.

“The stars finally aligned for him to be rewarded for all of his great work with a playoff series win. Good for him.”

Ok...so he gets a lot of respect in the handshake line

 

[IPS]

I really wanted to win with Dubas, that guy is ultra competitive

LMAO

Yeah Dubas and the team sure scream "ultra competitive" when you watch them

 

[keonsbitterness]

Ignorance is bliss.

I must be ecstatic!

 

[Trapper]

I'm basically at the "nothing else has worked so can it really be worse?" stahe of fandom. My days of living and dying by every move of this franchise are done. Sit back and enjoy the fireworks this summer and see where we're at this fall

Where are all the Leafs optimists here?
Maybe a new GM/Coach will finally get this core playing as great as I’ve been told they are. Expected goals might actually become real ones. I mean unless Dubas is the only one who can get the core 4 motivated?

 

[Rare Jewel]

Why? Some form of change was needed. There are quite a few regrettable playoff series under this group as well we can refer to.

 

[IPS]

OMG the media narrative are unreal. You'd think this freaking guy won 4 cups and formed a new Leafs Dynasty. Hard to replace? What the heck was he even exceptional at considering the point of Hockey is to win.

Give me a break

I'm splitting my sides laughing at some of this. Has a guy ever been worshipped so much for doing nothing but failing in the playoffs every year?

 

[myleafs]

"I gotta see if my family is doing ok and ok with me continuing"

*sends an email asking for $7M*

Im still trying to wrap my head around whats transpired and how this all ended for Dubas. Like someone said earlier in this thread ..."so much goodwill gone just like that"

 

[Guided by Veseys]

You gotta be a tad bit worried about the forthcoming AM34 negotiations.

We could be without a 1C after draft day.

We were without a 1C in in the playoffs his whole career. What difference will it make?

But to be realistic, matthews is an elite, mvp who has been coddled tremendously. If he, or any other leaf player, has hurt feelings and don’t want to play for leafs after this, and after their own repeated failures… I’ll be more than happy to watch the future players we get from trading them.
It was almost more fun to be a leaf fan many years ago watching Marner destroy the ohl and envision future leaf success. Those days are long gone.