Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

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So Shanahan was pleased with Kyle and was going to extend him. Tells us a lot about Shanahan.

I agree, Dubas should be gone, so should Shanahan as well.

This team has been a dysfunctional group of misfits for far too long.
 
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Regarding the contracts thing: I think we're reaching a point in the current NHL---wherein some clubs' strategy with young stars is to lock them down for 6-8 years with big contracts while they're young---where "negotiation" is longer going to be a thing.

In other words, clubs have only so much money they can invest in a high-priced core. Beyond that, there's no room for negotiation. Also, GMs (like Dubas, with Tavares and Marner) have been burned a lot recently with some of these big contracts.

So, I think what the Leafs and several other clubs are going to do in the near future (if not already) is simply say to the player and agent: We have X-dollars to give you for the next one-or-two years, or X-dollars for the next five years. Take it or leave it. And the deadline to decide is July 1st (or whatever). And players and agents are going to have to decide quickly.
Name one other team that has ever handed out co tracts like Dubas' did to multiple RFA players.

Other clubs have always done that.
 
Brad Treliving? The guy who just traded Tkachuk for Huberdeau and signed Nazem Kadri to $7x7?

Boy.

He's also the guy that acquired Dougie Hamilton for picks. And then traded Hamilton with Ferland and Fox (rights since he didn't want to sign) for Lindholm (turned into a 40g center) and Hanifin. Acquiring Toffoli was pretty good. Traded Bartschi for a 2nd round pick that turned into Rasmus Andersson. A 3rd for Zadorov, who really turned a corner. Added Vladar for a 3rd round pick as well I think.

I haven't really looked at the draft history closey but I know from the top of my head he drafted some solid players like Mangiapane, Dube, Coronato, Zary just had a 60 point season in the AHL, Pelletier should be good and played some NHL games. Wolf is dominating at the AHL. The one problem for the 2022 draft is they had very little picks and I think they flubbed picking Ronni over Goyette and Hutson.

UFA signings seem fine for the most part. Markstrom was a shrewd one that was amazing last year, floundered badly this year. Tanev and Coleman were good adds over the years.

This time last year when the Tkatchuk trade happened everyone praised him. I wouldn't have signed Huberdeau at all and would have waited but I thought getting Weegar locked up was good business. Kadri is fine I think.

His biggest problem by far was making Darryl Sutter coach I think, even after last year. They needed a progressive coach, not a dinosaur.
 
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McDavid will sign here eventually.

The only question is if it'll be when he's well past his prime like Lindros and Spezza, or when he's just on the back 9 like JT was.
My bet is two years or he is traded to us a yr before that and we sign Drai, unless they are in the Cup Finals then they will stick and play it out.
 

Shanahan said he heard from Dubas’ agent on Thursday and was presented with what he said was a new “financial package.”

More money in other words.


It was just before dinner, Shanahan said, that Dubas emailed to say he would like to return. After some soul searching, on the heels of a disappointing season, he was committed to being the GM again.

“At that point, if I’m being honest, I had gotten to a different place about how I felt about the future of the Toronto Maple Leafs and what was best,” Shanahan said. “The email that I received from Kyle, I just felt differently. And I felt that the long-term future of the Maple Leafs might have to change.”

This means it wasn’t Dubas’ job performance that concerned him and ultimately cost him his job. Quite the opposite. Shanahan stressed repeatedly how pleased he was with the job Dubas had done. It’s why the Leafs were ready to commit to him before the playoffs.

No, what apparently swayed them was Dubas’ brief, days-long reluctance to coming back. Even though the Leafs had left him dangling without a contract all season, a moment of hesitation on his part led them to dramatically change course and dive deep into the unknown.

Which frankly seems like an unusual way of doing business, especially with all that pressing work ahead.


Door 1 was Dubas. The known commodity. Someone who had established relationships with the players and especially the stars, but also someone who appeared willing, finally, to change course and perhaps move on from one of those stars. Someone who had built the Leafs up into a high-functioning operation.

Door 2 was a giant question mark.

The Leafs chose Door 2 and the giant question mark, all because, it seems, Dubas hesitated.

That giant question mark will now be entrusted with convincing Matthews to stay by July 1, trading one of those stars, and presumably finding a new coach to replace Dubas’ guy, Sheldon Keefe. All in a matter of weeks. And because those decisions are so massive, so franchise-changing, the Leafs will evidently seek out someone with experience – which narrows the pool of candidates considerably to those who’ve been GMs before.

It might not be the best person for the job necessarily then.

Does that mean that said person will do a better job than Dubas would have? Maybe. Maybe not. That person will be walking into an organization they’re completely unfamiliar with and will nonetheless have to execute a series of whoppers in a matter of weeks.

Not great!

The Leafs could have simply brought Dubas back to do the work he started.
After all these failure do you really want a GM who hesitated on running it back? I would question any president if they choose a GM who has hesitation committing to this job especially where things are at, I would want my GM to be fully committed, hungry, angry, and WANTING to be the GM of the best hockey franchise in the world.
 
Why did he go on this long epic about how he was going to re-sign him and then changed his mind what are you talking about shano
 
Regardless of what you think of how Dubas or Shanny handled this, this is not a good day for us. If we hire a competent GM, then it's fine. Losing Spezza hurts too.
I'm honestly concerned where we are going with this team.

That’s my concern too. We need a competent GM fast. This came at the very worst time. As if Dubas made sure the NMCs and Nylander M-NTC all line up with his own contract expiry; all designed to leverage them to Dubas’s own personal advantage.
 
Regardless of what you think of how Dubas or Shanny handled this, this is not a good day for us. If we hire a competent GM, then it's fine. Losing Spezza hurts too.
I'm honestly concerned where we are going with this team.
It concerns me abit when people here are so pessimistic with this after we let go a gm that bet hard on this roster, this is his image of what a hockey team should be

It’s a team that’s top 5 in the league on paper for 5 years now with no playoff success

Our standards are sooo low
 
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You are way too happy. :laugh:

What can I say man. This is the best TGIF in the city of Toronto

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I've always felt Brad has been an active GM. Loved his move bringing Hanifin and Lindholm to Calgary, and he would have kept Gaudreau and Tkachuk if he could.

I'd be okay if he comes in as GM, not ecstatic.

The guy I want is Kris Draper.
 
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