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Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning
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We getting litty tonight boys
p.s. please wear grippy shoes so as to not slip on the tears
That a Dubas fan thinking the only thing sadder than Dubas f'ing off is his coffee boy going with him?
No really though all respect to Spezza. I just genuinely don't know what his purpose was with the organization.
Zur En Arrh
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which is typically what betas say...just saying
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How the Kyle Dubas talks fell apart, and why both sides will regret it - Northstar Bets
Truth be told, it’s an outcome both sides will almost certainly come to regret with the passing of time.
For the Leafs, there’s no possible way to stem the flow of Dubas loyalists now fleeing for the exits – an exodus that began with special assistant to the GM Jason Spezza tendering his resignation on Friday afternoon and will almost certainly continue with other staff and players.
As for Dubas, how and where will you ever recreate something like this?
The 37-year-old was instrumental in building almost every facet of what the Leafs are today from the ground up. His fingerprints were all over the roster, the farm system and the entire off-ice operation of an organization trying to bury the failures of multiple generations that came before.
They had a chance to get it done. No more.
Dubas clearly stretched his leverage to the limit during a brief round of negotiations, with his agent Chris Armstrong returning with a counter-proposal as recently as Thursday afternoon according to Shanahan, but who can blame him?
There is no external candidate who is unquestionably sharper or more qualified.
Let it be said here that Brad Treliving is now the favourite to replace him as Leafs GM because there are so few obvious options who meet Shanahan’s requirement that “having an experienced general manager would be an attractive quality.”
The others that fall into that category are Marc Bergevin, Peter Chiarelli, Chuck Fletcher, Ray Shero, Ron Hextall, Jim Benning and Dave Nonis.
The Leafs had a pretty damn good thing in Dubas, and he held one of hockey’s most attractive jobs thanks to them.
There was a good reason why Shanahan called him up to his Scotiabank Arena office last Sunday to formally present a contract offer. It wasn’t even 48 hours after the Florida Panthers shockingly eliminated the Leafs from a second-round series in five games, but the president didn’t want any potential doubts to take hold.
Dubas was working through his own process.
Ultimately, he got done in by the decision to speak publicly during the team’s end-of-season availability on Monday – “I had expressed to him that it was not my intention to talk to the media until I had something settled with him,” said Shanahan. “I expressed that I thought it was a good idea that maybe he didn’t either” – because it was there where Dubas first said he wasn’t sure about returning after learning how taxing things had been on his family.
That set off alarm bells for Shanahan.
“There was a shift in my thinking at that moment,” said Shanahan. “A dramatic shift in my thinking.”
Still, they texted throughout Tuesday and met face-to-face for multiple hours on Wednesday. There was a chance to save the relationship. They could have used a marriage counsellor.
Distrust had crept into the equation, which explains why they couldn’t piece it all back together even when Dubas formally told his boss that it was his intention to stay roughly 17 hours before he was sent packing.
Truth be told, it’s an outcome both sides will almost certainly come to regret with the passing of time.
For the Leafs, there’s no possible way to stem the flow of Dubas loyalists now fleeing for the exits – an exodus that began with special assistant to the GM Jason Spezza tendering his resignation on Friday afternoon and will almost certainly continue with other staff and players.
As for Dubas, how and where will you ever recreate something like this?
The 37-year-old was instrumental in building almost every facet of what the Leafs are today from the ground up. His fingerprints were all over the roster, the farm system and the entire off-ice operation of an organization trying to bury the failures of multiple generations that came before.
They had a chance to get it done. No more.
Dubas clearly stretched his leverage to the limit during a brief round of negotiations, with his agent Chris Armstrong returning with a counter-proposal as recently as Thursday afternoon according to Shanahan, but who can blame him?
There is no external candidate who is unquestionably sharper or more qualified.
Let it be said here that Brad Treliving is now the favourite to replace him as Leafs GM because there are so few obvious options who meet Shanahan’s requirement that “having an experienced general manager would be an attractive quality.”
The others that fall into that category are Marc Bergevin, Peter Chiarelli, Chuck Fletcher, Ray Shero, Ron Hextall, Jim Benning and Dave Nonis.
The Leafs had a pretty damn good thing in Dubas, and he held one of hockey’s most attractive jobs thanks to them.
There was a good reason why Shanahan called him up to his Scotiabank Arena office last Sunday to formally present a contract offer. It wasn’t even 48 hours after the Florida Panthers shockingly eliminated the Leafs from a second-round series in five games, but the president didn’t want any potential doubts to take hold.
Dubas was working through his own process.
Ultimately, he got done in by the decision to speak publicly during the team’s end-of-season availability on Monday – “I had expressed to him that it was not my intention to talk to the media until I had something settled with him,” said Shanahan. “I expressed that I thought it was a good idea that maybe he didn’t either” – because it was there where Dubas first said he wasn’t sure about returning after learning how taxing things had been on his family.
That set off alarm bells for Shanahan.
“There was a shift in my thinking at that moment,” said Shanahan. “A dramatic shift in my thinking.”
Still, they texted throughout Tuesday and met face-to-face for multiple hours on Wednesday. There was a chance to save the relationship. They could have used a marriage counsellor.
Distrust had crept into the equation, which explains why they couldn’t piece it all back together even when Dubas formally told his boss that it was his intention to stay roughly 17 hours before he was sent packing.
The Media lining up to tongue punch this guys asshole is pretty insane.
Not to mention half of them are trying to play the shanny got rid of him because he cared about his family card without mentioning that he tried to hold the team hostage for more money
The hell was he doing giving out handies in the locker room? Makes me think he was leaking his dick off to the press in return for good publicity
He's getting treated softer by the Toronto media then anyone in history
You guys have to understand that if the core 4 is upset that Dubas is gone, that's a GOOD THING.
I repeat, A GOOD THING. Whether they stay or get traded, doesn't matter.
I repeat, A GOOD THING. Whether they stay or get traded, doesn't matter.
CabanaBoy5
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Did you miss the presser by Shanahan? He said they wanted to bring him back but Dubas' hesitation and his power play showed Shanahan that perhaps Dubas didn't want to be the Leafs GM anymore. To come back with a new financial package after what appeared to be a sob story about the difficulties for his family has placed Dubas in the category of entitled money monger.
Inside the chaos and uncertainty Brendan Shanahan has brought upon the Maple Leafs
The decision to not bring Kyle Dubas back as general manager should cast an even brighter spotlight on Brendan Shanahan.theathletic.com
Shanahan said he heard from Dubas’ agent on Thursday and was presented with what he said was a new “financial package.”
More money in other words.
It was just before dinner, Shanahan said, that Dubas emailed to say he would like to return. After some soul searching, on the heels of a disappointing season, he was committed to being the GM again.
“At that point, if I’m being honest, I had gotten to a different place about how I felt about the future of the Toronto Maple Leafs and what was best,” Shanahan said. “The email that I received from Kyle, I just felt differently. And I felt that the long-term future of the Maple Leafs might have to change.”
This means it wasn’t Dubas’ job performance that concerned him and ultimately cost him his job. Quite the opposite. Shanahan stressed repeatedly how pleased he was with the job Dubas had done. It’s why the Leafs were ready to commit to him before the playoffs.
No, what apparently swayed them was Dubas’ brief, days-long reluctance to coming back. Even though the Leafs had left him dangling without a contract all season, a moment of hesitation on his part led them to dramatically change course and dive deep into the unknown.
Which frankly seems like an unusual way of doing business, especially with all that pressing work ahead.
Door 1 was Dubas. The known commodity. Someone who had established relationships with the players and especially the stars, but also someone who appeared willing, finally, to change course and perhaps move on from one of those stars. Someone who had built the Leafs up into a high-functioning operation.
Door 2 was a giant question mark.
The Leafs chose Door 2 and the giant question mark, all because, it seems, Dubas hesitated.
That giant question mark will now be entrusted with convincing Matthews to stay by July 1, trading one of those stars, and presumably finding a new coach to replace Dubas’ guy, Sheldon Keefe. All in a matter of weeks. And because those decisions are so massive, so franchise-changing, the Leafs will evidently seek out someone with experience – which narrows the pool of candidates considerably to those who’ve been GMs before.
It might not be the best person for the job necessarily then.
Does that mean that said person will do a better job than Dubas would have? Maybe. Maybe not. That person will be walking into an organization they’re completely unfamiliar with and will nonetheless have to execute a series of whoppers in a matter of weeks.
Not great!
The Leafs could have simply brought Dubas back to do the work he started.
Leaf Rocket
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I want to be there but at the moment I will want to see who and what happens before i can go there but you are right he can pull this off. He's smart as well and has the mettle for it.
Jesus Christ Chris at least pretend to be balanced
"No external candidate who is sharper"
Petrus
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Take notes, bring coffee and pick up dry cleaning for Dubas.
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Dubas seems like an overall nice guy and he likely treats his players very well, but underneath that there is an arrogance there. Similar to the arrogance Matthews and Marner have even though they haven't won squat.
Shanahan has his own set of flaws but I think it's pretty clear Dubas overstepped some boundaries. Hopefully this sends a message to the players and we get back to Shanahan's original message that no player is bigger than the team. In this case the message was finally sent that Dubas and his ego are not bigger than team success.
Oh i know.. i was actually laughing when i saw the haha notification
I mean .. yeah.. how will we replace spezza... he filled the shit out of those checklists lol
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The media is dumb.
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I don't know if I should be aroused, creeped out, or both.
If these players wanted out because of the gm losing his job then i will drive them to the airport....see ya
Tongue punch messed me up
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Yeah I’d just rather they be upset about it while we have someone taking calls on them and negotiating new deals with the ones he keeps. A public trade request handcuffs us enormously, any GM we hire will know how little leverage he has on what will be his first and career defining trade with us.
It’s kind of funny honestly, we move on from Dubas and the new guy will have his first trade look exactly like Dubas’ first trade with Kessel.
Half the "insider" articles and tweets I've seen neglect to mention this fact. Which tells you all you need to know about who was their source this whole time
I will never shame anyone for the elation journey
I may ask clarifying questions though
Brendan Shanahan’s curiously detailed firing of Kyle Dubas marks an ugly end of an era for the Maple Leafs
Leafs president’s chronological retelling of how he changed his mind on keeping Kyle Dubas made the organization look disconnected and amateurish
www.theglobeandmail.com
I’m sure that high-profile staff negotiations are sometimes this disconnected and amateurish. I’m also sure you don’t usually hear about it in real time.
For a sports organization that is always going on about how collaborative and inclusive it is, this sounds like the least collaborative and inclusive dialogue in business history.
Why was an agent required as a cutout? Dubas does deals for a living. He can’t settle the basics of his own with the guy who is his rabbi in the NHL?
This is a team that keeps a vice lock on all communications. Did no one in the organization have any idea what Dubas intended to say to the media in his exit interview? Did no one bother to ask?
And why would Dubas sabotage the back-and-forth with an 11th-hour demand for more money after his own agent had already settled that issue?
What this sounds like is an organization in which people are constantly speaking, but never really talking to each other.
It also feels as though there is another side of this we have yet to hear. In Shanahan’s telling, Dubas comes off like a flake. Dubas has no choice but to fight back on that narrative. This thing could get ugly long before the memoir stage.
The immediate effect of this decision is to end an era.
If the Core Four define the Leafs as a team, Dubas was their Brian Epstein. He didn’t discover them, but he made them the centrepiece of the team.
Though that hasn’t worked, Dubas seemed inclined to stick with them. Will the next GM confine himself to adding small strokes to a painting made by someone else?
If not, things will have to start happening quickly.
The draft is in five weeks. Auston Matthews’s no-trade clause locks in the week after that. William Nylander needs a new deal. Someone is going to have to figure out how to get rid of Matt Murray. If you’re trading Mitch Marner, he’s not getting any more valuable than he is right now. And what about Sheldon Keefe?
Shanahan said the head coach’s future will be left to the next GM. That makes Keefe the walking dead. How many conversations do you want him involved in from now until whenever someone drives to his office on a Friday morning to have a little chat?
All of a sudden, just when a whole bunch of hockey decisions need to be made, no one’s in charge. If there is a plan, it’s not apparent.
PromisedLand
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Its rare for a GM to walk into a situation taht dubas walked in with the Leafs with plenty of cap space, inherited talent that made making playoffs easy, plenty of picks/prospects and a board that was spending money like halloween candies (ex: Babcock getting paid 25 million dollars to sit at home)
I sincerely doubt dubas is ever going to walk into such a great situation. Teams that are having success hardly ever fire their gm.
When i saw the pens ownership rumour i seriously LMAO. WTF is dubas going to achieve with an aging core of malkin, crosby, letang? heck their ownership fired the entire management group within 2 years.
dubas first was very lucky to get the job he did; and he was even luckier to hold on to the job for 5 years when he did nothing but continuously failed meanwhile screwed the future of the Leafs. Did you see how much draft capital we have for the next couple years?
Not to even mention the ridiculous contracts he signed
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