Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[mehavecable]

Like to hear Dubas version.

Having trouble when the team is creating the entire narrative, with all leaf owned media (TSN/SN) riling up the fan base.

 

[sxvnert]

Pittsburgh would be daft not to reach out to him now.

Only a rookie or a desperate GM will take that job. Not a chance Kyle attaches his name that train wreck.

 

[Racer88]

That and asking for more money was his undoing.

Yup and it sure makes his sad comments about not sure if he wants to come back sound hollow since we all know it was just a manoeuvre for more money and power

 

[rumman]

Went too far off the limb and the branch snapped. Thank Kyle, now GTFO.

I suppose that teflon coating was good for only 5 years………

 

[DarkKnight]

Two former GM’s so far, both said you’ll never find another gig like the Leafs. Good luck wonder boy.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

Regardless of anything else this is not a good look for Shanahan at all, makes it seem like he's not really aware or in control of what's happening.

???

Gotta say though. I do think with that core Dubas received, there isn’t one GM in the league that would have frigged things up to the point where they wouldn’t have made the playoffs every season. You had pretty much 4 elite players and 1C that would have made team Canada. I don’t think it’s as bad without Kyle as some may think.

100%

The only tangible thing is Dubas keeping Keefe after all these blunders.

He bet his Coach would be better than he was.

And that the core 4 were tougher than they were as well. LOL

He must feel like an idiot giving a midget winger like Marner that money, and seeing him trip over his feet vs Florida out of fear.

The Rot started with Dubas. Good riddance

 

[Cleetus]

No different than Masai and Bobby Webster. You have a guy who does the job and a boss. That seems normal. If Dubas wanted more control that’s fine too. He didn’t get it.

its good he didn't in what world does he deserve more control? failures have consequences

 

[sxvnert]

Like to hear Dubas version.

Having trouble when the team is creating the entire narrative, with all leaf owned media (TSN/SN) riling up the fan base.

AFTER Kyle created the narrative on Wednesday and the media enforced it in full force.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

What a joke this has become.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

With a mandate to probably blow part of it up. Giddy up.

The new guy will need a lot of red bulls or something.

This is gonna be such an overloaded season.

I feel like as a fan:

 

[CDN24]

Presidents outlive most other positions for awhile. Also his first firing was a pretty obvious one to get his tenure properly started.

Lamoriello moved on himself after finding a new role with the Islanders, he wasn't technically fired.

Neither was Dubas really just let his contract expire. Seems like Lou's departure was awkward too, the common denominator is Shanny and MLSE.

I am not a Dubas fan but this isn't all on him, Shanny and MLSE mismanaged this situation as evidenced by no plan B- he should have been announcing a new GM today if they were on top of things

 

[3blizzard4]

Dubie thought he could ask for the moon as his players did and they got it so why not him?

 

[rumman]

I loved what Shanny said.

Yup, but this is Shanahan’s mess 100%, he’s as culpable as Dubas in this failure………

 

[LeafsFan89]

Sounded like Dubas made a counter proposal, but by that time, Shanahan already decided to move on. It happens. All the best to Kyle.

What's not so good is that there is seemingly no real plan in place. He talked about "contingencies in case the GM in a final year doesn't want to resign", but clearly there were none, and needs to start to interview candidates 6 weeks before the draft...

There was also no confirmation (from what I can tell) that big changes are needed to the roster (1-2 of the core 4 need to be moved out).

Need to wait and see what happens, but I don't have a good feeling about this lol.

 

[MK78]

Without reading all the comments, I think Kyle overplayed his hand with the press conference hinting he may not want to do this, he has to talk to his family, but then a few days later a few bucks more and "i'm all good boss".

I tink Shanahan called his bluff as his mind was already soured by that press conference, as he understood they had an understanding of what the contract would be. He might also been given a "max figure" by the ownership no to exceed.

Now lets see how honest he was about not taking a new GM job somewhere this summer. If he does, then he's a flake and a liar.

But this entire debacle should also make any new employer think twice.

 

[al secord]

Only a rookie or a desperate GM will take that job. Not a chance Kyle attaches his name that train wreck.

Only so many jobs out there. He didn't leave this market of his own volition.

Most people could say the same about taking the Leaf job.

 

[CincoHolio]

Seriously, how can you come out and say that you're not even sure you want to be a GM?? When I heard that, my first thought was this guy is angling for a President's role somewhere.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Is it me, or is Shanahan not getting enough heat here?

 

[saffronleaf]

My feeling is this was the most likely outcome with his press conference. Too much personal information to be able to come back in a professional manner.

Well, at least they have resolution on one front.

Can you help me understand why what Dubas said in his press conference would make it difficult for him to come back in a professional manner? Others are saying this too but I just don't get it.

 

[tmlms13]

Insane that you'd hire someone to manage a team and then do it yourself.

If this is the case, I guess Dubas may be a good or bad GM and we will never know.

The other two Toronto teams do exactly that. Can you name the GM of the Raptors and Blue Jays? Webster and Atkins? or Masai and Shapiro

 

[rumman]

Still can’t play poker.

Shanahan just did what Dubas should have done during the Nylander negotiations……..

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Yup, but this is Shanahan’s mess 100%, he’s as culpable as Dubas in this failure………

4 GMs under him...and as much as we want to hold Dubas alone...he also hasn't gotten much done either. If we are to hold GM's accountable then we should also hold the president. It's not good.

 

[DarkKnight]

Is it me, or is Shanahan not getting enough heat here?

It’s you.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Yup, but this is Shanahan’s mess 100%, he’s as culpable as Dubas in this failure………

Nobody should forget this.

Shanahan needs to go.

This Soo Maple Leafs experiment needs to die.

I am available to drive Keefe to the airport if need be.

 

[DarkKnight]

Shanahan just did what Dubas should have done during the Nylander negotiations……..

Was thinking the same thing!