Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Smif]

You don't think it's easier to want to do a job if you're making more money?

This isn't about being easier to do a job, it's about stress on his family which was the reason for potentially not coming back in the first place, which also won't be relieved by more money.

He used the family excuse to try and leverage more money.

What did his wife say "I hate you doing this job but if you make 25% more I'll be good"?

 

[notbias]

Not a good look for either side if they referred to money but clearly it was.

Why clearly? We have no idea what it was. Shanahan may have more power over decisions than we are aware of and that may be a sticking point.

There may be something else

 

[binop7]

It reeks of entitlement from Dubas.

Always hurts when staff believe that they are irreplaceable.

It's one thing if you are irreplaceable. But he hasn't proven anything.

 

[sxvnert]

and then turned the Islanders into a joke team.

Back to back final four appearances?

 

[The Masters]

For everything Shanny did for Dubas, Dubas pulling this stunt is telling. Like I said, a wolf is sheeps's clothing.

he aint a wolf. He's a bit*ch

 

[CapspaceKiller]

Shanny did to Dubas, what Dubas should have done to Willy and Marner...Damn, lol

 

[AvroArrow]

The guy who wasted the ELCs of the best crop of young players we ever had, and then turned the Islanders into a joke team.

That guy.

Or are you one of the guys who think Dubas inherited a good core and Lou somehow didn't inherit the Islanders.

The Islanders are more his team than when we started, and they are trending down.

Genuine question, what were your expectations of Matthews/Marner/Nylander in their first 3 years with this team ? Playoffs ? Winning a round, multiple rounds ? Those teams over achieved, McDavid has missed how many playoffs ? These guys never have.

 

[Antropovsky]

Brendan Shanahan just established himself as the Alpha male in the Leafs' organization.

He just gave Kyle Dubas and the whole World this message: "Don't screw around with me."

Agreed.... Shanahan showing that killer instinct.

 

[rocketman588]

It's not even shocking. He leaked stuff openly to Mirtle for years as AGM, and used it to posture getting Lou's job. But, people didn't want to hear it 5 years ago, and maybe don't want to hear it now.

Torched babs career through the media as well

 

[sxvnert]

We have no idea what it was.

Kyles agent came back with an offer. It clear he wanted more money/term.

 

[notbias]

Back to back final four appearances?

Quote the rest and answer if Lou inherited that team or not... and also, is it more his team now, or when he started?

Some people are so dishonest.

 

[BigBlu]

So the family thing was pretty bullshit then right? Or is that an incorrect thought process.

Going for the email pay raise combo is f***ing bold

Family was complete bullshit. Dude is 37 years old. He's not ready to stop working forever to sit at home for family movie night and yardwork.

 

[fahad203]

So Shanahan wanted Dubas to be GM

Dubas wanted to be GM

Money wasn't the issue. Then why exactly is Dubas not the GM?

Kyle tried to get too cute. LIke he did when he was building a team
He tried to get cute and too smart

 

[Brobust]

MLSE let things get to this stage in the first place. They should have made decisions before they had their preferred choice publicly negotiating with them at the last minute

Based on the presser, it seems like they thought it was a done deal until 3PM on Monday.

They'd been working on this for months.

 

[tmlms13]

Money...........................The root of all evil, even when you have piles of it.
Leafs finally win a round, and now this........

MLSE just finished paying mike babcock 20 million dollars to sit at home, and basically invented Robidas Island. This shouldn't be about money in the slightest.

 

[DarkKnight]

Gord Stellick and Nik Kypreos are on fire talking about this right now.

Spot on too.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Im actually pumped to see how this all unfolds, I love being a fan of this team, and I know it work out all we can do is beleaf! hopefully the leafs put on a off season clinic, and make the leafs a better team! its all one can hope for!

I hope so... we still have a solid window...we need to capitalize ASAP...I am also skeptical because this is truly a shit show because it comes at a very critical junction. I wanna say I am an optimist but at the moment I am trying to stay even keel.

"What are you going to do, Bleed on me?"

 

[francis246]

I find it the other way. Isn't this about Shanny's ego, not wanting Kyle to make as much as him and having full autonomy?

Look, Shanny hasn't won shit with you guys either and he has been there longer.

Def both guys ego’s. I guess we have to hear Dubas’ side on how much micromangement there was in this last year. But it seems dumb that he had the offer and couldn’t just take the deal if he really wanted to be here. He tried to leverage the situation and it back fired

 

[notbias]

Kyles agent came back with an offer. It clear he wanted more money/term.

An offer is not just money.

 

[7even]

Somehow the job is easier and less of an impact on his family if he makes more money. Makes me lose all respect tbh. I was one of his biggest supporters around here, thru everything. This disgusts me tbh.

But that's a thing that happens, you don't even have to leave the sport to find examples. Like my old man only moved to the States when his boss offered enough to get my mom on board. It's pretty mundane yeah?

But I'm not going to get into an argument with you, I respect your opinion.

 

[ToneDog]

Shanahan whether you like it or not came across like a true professional in this. He skewered Dubas in the nicest way possie.

Do you blame him? Shanny gave him a shot, the job of a lifetime only to be backstabbed.

 

[sxvnert]

Glad I dont have to hate watch this team for another 4-6 years under failed Dubas attempts.

 

[DarkKnight]

So the family thing was pretty bullshit then right? Or is that an incorrect thought process.

Going for the email pay raise combo is f***ing bold

It was real, but he tried to use to make the Leafs sweat in him returning. We had no idea at the time that Dubas KNEW they wanted him back and had negotiations. f*** this guy.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

This whole management team was nothing but pure abject failure.

Changes need to be made instead of "running it back 5.0". A new coach, a new GM, and possibly moving one of the "core 4".

So many of you are fearful of the change, fearful of the undertaking, fearful of the contracts, etc. So be it. It will be better than Dubas continually convincing himself that he can keep running it back with the same team.

Best of all is the end of the Dubas Robots that polluted this board. Having an endless line of white boys between age 17-21 on this board talking about how Toronto won the hypothetical cup, and that Keefe outcoached the other coach in the playoffs. The idealism that smelled up this message board was unbearable. Honestly it didn't mind Dubas. He did have some likeable qualities, but the cult that surrounded him was too much.

 

[KaberLeaf]

Genuinely curious, where can I find the salaries of all NHL GMs? How does an offer of 4 million/year compare to those of other GMs? Will Kyle get a comparable amount or more if he were employed by another organization?