Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[GoonieFace]

Dubas knows the mess he created and splits

 

[wingman75]

Was Shanahan asked about Keefe?

Said that some decisions need to be left to the new GM, and that was one of them.

 

[The Masters]

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I wanted to retain Dubas, but if what Shanny said is the honest truth, you can't fault him for going in the direction he did. Seems like he had the teams best interest in mind at least.

We move on and continue the quest the for the holy grail

 

[leafs in five]

I still remember the Red Wedding back in 2015. When he fired everyone. I mean everyone

I thought then that we finally have someone with cut throat attitude

gave an 8 year deal to his former coach before he hired a GM

 

[sxvnert]

Have they even said it was about money? I've only read contract conditions, which to me does not mean money, they would have just said that.

Shanahan probably has more power than we know of over the team, and Duabs wanted more.

Not a good look for either side if they referred to money but clearly it was.

 

[Antropovsky]

Antropovsky said:
Sounds like Dubas either wants a long term contract, significantly more money or both. I don't think it's a good look to air that your family struggled. After not signing, sure put it in the media.

@AllDay28 How did you come to this conclusion? Serious q. I want the steps to how you came to this idea.

@AllDay28 ..... To answer your question (other thread was closed). My though process is that there was no reason for Dubas to put a lot of the personal stuff to the media, other than to apply pressure to Shanahan. Looks like I was pretty much dead on.

Guess he found out that that kind of negotiating tactic generally only works if he's the one signing the contract.

 

[ToneDog]

Dubas knows the mess he created and splits

He was fired and rightfully so. The guys is a prick.

 

[binop7]

Kyle:Uhhh I don't know if I am going to be here next year

Shanny:Sounds like he doesn't want to stay. Let's start looking for another GM

Kyle:No no I want to stay but pay me more than any other GM in the league.

Kyle butchered this.

 

[Ciao]

Yay, the guy who hired 2 failed GMs gets to hire another, glad he is the Alpha.

I don't think of either Lou Lamoriello or Kyle Dubas as "failed GMs".

I think that each of them did quite well for the Leafs' franchise.

Shanny just had enough of Dubas, that's all.

 

[Statsman1]

Dubas would like us to believe that the framework for a deal was completed at the TDL, and it took him 2 months+ to remember, “Oh yeah, this is really hard on my family. I need to ask for more moolah.” So he shot for the moon, and Shanahan wanted none of it.

If it was hard on his family life in February, it should have all been ironed out. Dubas’ presser on Monday either showed he was trying to wring every last cent and ounce of power out of MLSE management OR he really didn’t want the job 100%.

Either one was unpalatable to Shanahan, and as president, it should not have been palatable. Shanny knew on Monday Dubas wasn’t coming back, and the demand for more money only cemented the decision to kick him out the door.

Which is too bad - I thought Dubas made some good decisions, though not every one was right on the money. I am glad, though, because I am 100% certain Keefe is history, which is a change that needs to be made.

 

[al secord]

Hubris and arrogance, fits.

I think you need both to be in this position. Which , is why with my modest salary, I'm so humble and appealing to women.

 

[leafs in five]

He basically said he wants the new GM to have an input on who the coach should be, not him alone.

first time for everything

 

[rocketman588]

So the family thing was pretty bullshit then right? Or is that an incorrect thought process.

Going for the email pay raise combo is f***ing bold

 

[Duffman955]

So Shanahan wanted Dubas to be GM

Dubas wanted to be GM

Money wasn't the issue. Then why exactly is Dubas not the GM?

 

[justashadowof]

Gord Stellick bang on “ looks he wanted to make the team sweat like they made him sweat with no contract and it blew up on him”.

Gord Stellick and Nik Kypreos are on fire talking about this right now.

 

[Menzinger]

I really don't agree. MLSE obviously saw through a negotiating ploy.

MLSE let things get to this stage in the first place. They should have made decisions before they had their preferred choice publicly negotiating with them at the last minute

 

[notbias]

Who was the first failed GM ? The guy they put there on purpose so we can get Matthews ? lol

The guy who wasted the ELCs of the best crop of young players we ever had, and then turned the Islanders into a joke team.

That guy.

Or are you one of the guys who think Dubas inherited a good core and Lou somehow didn't inherit the Islanders.

The Islanders are more his team than when we started, and they are trending down.

 

[sxvnert]

Dubas knows the mess he created and splits

They usually do.

 

[CelticDruid]

This is exactly what happened. Played hard to get. You ain't a prize horse Kyle you misplayed your cards.

It reeks of entitlement from Dubas.

Always hurts when staff believe that they are irreplaceable.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

One thing for sure, Shanahan is clearly in the crosshairs now. It's his show no matter which GM he hires.

bye Shanaplan.
your boy Dubas didn't do well.
Babcock didn't work out.

 

[HomelessPepper]

Everyone here focused on the shitshow that just happened, but key thing here is that he's just starting the search now. I hope they've already done their research and it's more about starting to meet and talk with candidates.

 

[Rare Jewel]

He says didn't have clarity on whether he wanted to stay, yet Kyle says I'm the GM here or I'm taking a year off.

This seems off and doesn't come across as genuine from one of them. Also, how do you glean more from watching his presser rather than talking to him directly?

 

[Cleetus]

We move on and continue the quest the for the holy grail

Im actually pumped to see how this all unfolds, I love being a fan of this team, and I know it work out all we can do is beleaf! hopefully the leafs put on a off season clinic, and make the leafs a better team! its all one can hope for!

 

[al secord]

We move on and continue the quest the for the holy grail

"What are you going to do, Bleed on me?"