Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Menzinger]

It's definitely the latter.

 

[Smif]

So… you lost respect because someone took time to speak to his family, figured out what would make the stress worth it and then asked for it? Essentially something 99% of people would do?

No, he used the family excuse to negotiate for more money, that's what I find gross. The family issue was not resolved and by the sounds of it from himself and Shanny's presser, it won't ever be resolved. It comes with the territory of the job. Somehow only more money fixes this.

 

[notbias]

Have they even said it was about money? I've only read contract conditions, which to me does not mean money, they would have just said that.

Shanahan probably has more power than we know of over the team, and Duabs wanted more.

 

[Forecheck1]

Or hear me out…. He actually took time to speak to his family. Crazy, I know.

he did use them as pawns - Low Character move

 

[DarkKnight]

Dubas thought he was negotiating with himself.

 

[fahad203]

It's hard on all our familes. It comes with the job

Well said Brendan

 

[leafs in five]

Hard to believe they offered to extend this scumbag and it was him overpalying his hand got him canned. Thanks Kyle you prick. Lou wanted to stay and they turfed him for this genius.

could have really used a Zaitsev vs Florida

 

[binop7]

Brendan Shanahan just established himself as the Alpha male in the Leafs' organization.

He just gave Kyle Dubas and the whole World this message: "Don't screw around with me."

Yes it was actually refreshing to see some fire in him.

 

[AvroArrow]

Was Shanahan asked about Keefe?

He basically said he wants the new GM to have an input on who the coach should be, not him alone.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Now please undo the Tavares and Marner bad contracts

How do you propose doing that?

 

[BallardEra]

It's definitely the latter.

Yep. All in?

I'm still trying to figure how Shanahan is still around after all of this.

 

[BigBlu]

“* Told Kyle he didn't want to meet with media until clarity was gained on Kyle's situation. Told Kyle he thought he souldn't meet media either, but Kyle was adament he wanted to speak. Felt it was important.”

To me, this is the strangest part. Why was it important? What’s the thinking behind this?

To negotiate through the media.

 

[wingman75]

Because knowing and managing the organization is his job. Him not having a grasp on where Dubas was at this whole year before his contract was up so we're left scrambling with numerous critical decisions to be made is now a huge issue. Outlets have been reporting that Dubas and Shanahan had barely been speaking, yet Shanahan was apparently fully ready to bring him back even after another disappointing season.

What it tells me is that Shanahan just wants the Hockey Operations aspect out of his hair and it was only when Dubas tried to hold out for money that he actually stepped in to do something. We need people who are actually invested in trying to put a winning team together.

For the record I'm all in favour of moving on from Dubas but the way this developed makes me even less confident in this front office to get the job done.

He took Dubas' camp at face value, as you would. He was blindsided no doubt, but to say he doesn't have a handle on the org because Dubas was being deceitful is a stretch (to me).

Regardless, I am not upset with us moving on from Dubas, but that only really matters if we move on from Keefe as well (I have changed my tune on that recently).

It is exciting, because this means more changes are coming, and after seven seasons of trying mostly the same thing we will be getting a new approach.

The players are on notice now, not that they weren't before, but I am sure they felt pretty secure. That has all changed.

 

[notbias]

Brendan Shanahan just established himself as the Alpha male in the Leafs' organization.

He just gave Kyle Dubas and the whole World this message: "Don't screw around with me."

Yay, the guy who hired 2 failed GMs gets to hire another, glad he is the Alpha.

 

[Morgs]

Somehow the job is easier and less of an impact on his family if he makes more money. Makes me lose all respect tbh. I was one of his biggest supporters around here, thru everything. This disgusts me tbh.

You don't think it's easier to want to do a job if you're making more money?

 

[Brobust]

It's definitely the latter.

I really don't agree. MLSE obviously saw through a negotiating ploy.

 

[ToneDog]

One thing for sure, Shanahan is clearly in the crosshairs now. It's his show no matter which GM he hires.

He's used his last bullet.

 

[BLONG7]

Money...........................The root of all evil, even when you have piles of it.
Leafs finally win a round, and now this........

 

[myleafs]

I wanna fire Bell and Rogers as owners.
Give me Snoop dog..... lol

I suspect that if Snoop was owner, Dubas would have been gone last yr or the year before

 

[Leafidelity]

 

[binop7]

Shanahan whether you like it or not came across like a true professional in this. He skewered Dubas in the nicest way possie.

 

[Kaladin]

Or hear me out…. He actually took time to speak to his family. Crazy, I know.

....and his family said listen Kyle it's been a rough year but if you go back and ask for 2M more maybe I'll be able to sleep at night?

Lol. It really is true I guess, "the only thing worse than being blind is having sight but no vision".

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Still can’t play poker.

That should be Kyle's education before his next Assistant GM gig.

Learn how to play poker.

 

[AvroArrow]

Yay, the guy who hired 2 failed GMs gets to hire another, glad he is the Alpha.

Who was the first failed GM ? The guy they put there on purpose so we can get Matthews ? lol

 

[sxvnert]

I'll bet Shanny and Pridham make all the decisions on Matthews/Nylander/Marner before the next GM takes over. Similar to how the deck was cleared before Dubas came on board.