Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Yultron]

I like AA b/c he was willing to gamble to make the team better.

Absolutely agree with this , it’s been 56 years . Sooner or later the Leafs need a cup like the Raptors

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

i missed the presser ... is there a recording ?

 

[Morgs]

Nonsensical turning on Dubas for what Shanny said. Even Shanny said he didn't mind anything Kyle said at the press conference.

All I saw was essentially Kyle negotiating a better contract and Shanny had a realization that he no longer thought Kyle was the guy to run the org.

 

[Leafsfan74]

I guess this was Shanny’s retort.

Imagine how she feels if it wasn't entirely true but purely a negotiating tactic...

If we don't see Marner traded though, then we will all know that MLSE had their usual hands on the decisions.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Shanahan Presser -

start a new thread with that.

 

[keonsbitterness]

One thing for sure, Shanahan is clearly in the crosshairs. It's his show now, no matter which GM he hires.

 

[Smif]

I'm not sure I follow. Apparently, Kyle said, "I need to talk about this with my family. I have talked about it with my family. I would like to continue to do it." This is the managerial equivalent of two for flinching.

Somehow the job is easier and less of an impact on his family if he makes more money. Makes me lose all respect tbh. I was one of his biggest supporters around here, thru everything. This disgusts me tbh.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Feels like we're back in a chaos era

I’ll take chaos over boring at this point. There’s nothing to even argue about all summer the way we lose, at least if it was off a controversial hit and suspension there’d be something.

 

[Tony Romo]

590 are eviscerating Dubas “used your kids as pawns”

Or hear me out…. He actually took time to speak to his family. Crazy, I know.

 

[cyris]

i missed the presser ... is there a recording ?

It was live streamed on YouTube so I assume you should be able to watch that

 

[DarkKnight]

Or hear me out…. He actually took time to speak to his family. Crazy, I know.

And then by Wednesday demanded more!

 

[Forecheck1]

Sounds like Dubas screwed up yet another Negotiation - Nice that he used his Family as leverage in a Negotiation - Good Riddance .

Imagine trying to play hard ball with MLSE and Shanahan after all his failures .

 

[Notsince67]

Anyone who suggests Hunter as the successor is not serious.

He was runner up last time. What changed?

 

[binop7]

It's not even shocking. He leaked stuff openly to Mirtle for years as AGM, and used it to posture getting Lou's job. But, people didn't want to hear it 5 years ago, and maybe don't want to hear it now.

Can't expect much from a Brock sports management grad can we

 

[LeafsandSharksfan]

How did you come to that conclusion?

Everything I heard tells me, Dubas' agent led Shanahan on. And once everything was settled, Kyle pulled a fast one and pretty much said, not sure I want to be the GM here, but if you give me truck loads of money, I guess I'll do it.

Shanahan, being fully in control. basically told Kyle to stick it. Sounded like he felt a little disrespected in how it was handled (especially the end part of the negotiations), and he does not want a GM that is not fully committed.

I enjoyed Brendan's presser, except for the part about not letting Keefe go.

Onward and upward.

Because knowing and managing the organization is his job. Him not having a grasp on where Dubas was at this whole year before his contract was up so we're left scrambling with numerous critical decisions to be made is now a huge issue. Outlets have been reporting that Dubas and Shanahan had barely been speaking, yet Shanahan was apparently fully ready to bring him back even after another disappointing season.

What it tells me is that Shanahan just wants the Hockey Operations aspect out of his hair and it was only when Dubas tried to hold out for money that he actually stepped in to do something. We need people who are actually invested in trying to put a winning team together.

For the record I'm all in favour of moving on from Dubas but the way this developed makes me even less confident in this front office to get the job done.

 

[notbias]

Impressed. I thought Shanny had gone soft over these years. Clearly not.

Yep, smart man, let a GM go without an idea of who may replace him.

He's a clown and this is such an amateur move.

 

[Brobust]

Well, we all knew Kyle Dubas was dogshit at negotiating.

 

[phillipmike]

Not at all. They told him they wanted him back, They were close on terms and publicly Dubas casted doubt to make more money and asked to return but with more money and power. This is 100% on Dubas.

 

[SprDaVE]

Nonsensical turning on Dubas for what Shanny said. Even Shanny said he didn't mind anything Kyle said at the press conference.

All I saw was essentially Kyle negotiating a better contract and Shanny had a realization that he no longer thought Kyle was the guy to run the org.

People really are stretching it out really far for whatever reason. It is really all that simple. This isn't an episode of Succession.

 

[Tony Romo]

Somehow the job is easier and less of an impact on his family if he makes more money. Makes me lose all respect tbh. I was one of his biggest supporters around here, thru everything. This disgusts me tbh.

So… you lost respect because someone took time to speak to his family, figured out what would make the stress worth it and then asked for it? Essentially something 99% of people would do?

 

[DarkKnight]

Imagine how she feels if it wasn't entirely true but purely a negotiating tactic...

I’m sure it was true, but it came off to me like he wanted everyone to know how awful it was to not have a contract all year.

 

[Mickey Marner]

TBH I’m ready to move on from Shanny too with how things have been handled

Yep, his performance has earned him a statue in the Ringling Brothers Hall of Fame.

 

[dubey]

One thing for sure, Shanahan is clearly in the crosshairs now. It's his show no matter which GM he hires.

Might as well fire him too

Rare shanny W on this though

 

[Tony Romo]

And then by Wednesday demanded more!

Yeah.. you know, speak to your family see what things could make the stressful job more worth it, like 99% the people would do?

 

[justashadowof]

I was really taken aback with how much Brendan Shanahan shared during that presser. Shanahan kept it classy yet he may have destroyed the nice guy myth forever.