Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[LeafsandSharksfan]

Regardless of anything else this is not a good look for Shanahan at all, makes it seem like he's not really aware or in control of what's happening.

 

[fahad203]

Well that sucks he learned a lot and gained experience to use with another franchise while we get to start back at 0 with less player trust

Felt like we were that guieny pig

 

[Tak7]

Shanahan Presser -

* Thanks Kyle for the 9 years involved with the franchise. Fantastic employee and person.

* Approached Kyle last year, and explained that he would not be receiving a contract offer for his final year. Reassured him that it wasn't a reflection of his situation with the club, and that they'd consider extending him later in the year.

* Was pleased with Kyle's off-season. Did an excellent job with letting players go and making signings. Calls team's regular season excellent. Says team was also managed well throughout the season.

* Thought Kyle made some very good moves at the deadline, and prepared the team to the best of his availability for the playoffs. After deadline moves, Shanahan told Kyle that he'd seen enough work to know he wanted Kyle back with an extension. A week later, Kyle confirmed that he was interested in an extension but didn't want it to be a distraction.

* Had many good conversations with Kyle's agent throughout the rest of the season and playoffs. Felt those conversations were productive. Says they were close to a finished deal. When the season ended, told Kyle on the night of game 5 loss to Florida that they wanted to move forward quickly with an extension. On Saturday after loss, Kyle was presented with an offer.

* Told Kyle he didn't want to meet with media until clarity was gained on Kyle's situation. Told Kyle he thought he souldn't meet media either, but Kyle was adament he wanted to speak. Felt it was important.

* Kyle expressed in earlier meeting that this process was very hard on Kyle's family.

* When watching Kyle's press, there was a dramatic shift in thinking - as Kyle expressed, he might not want to be the team's GM anymore. Came to the realization that he needed to potentially start looking at new GM.

* Over next few weeks after Monday's locker clear out, gained no clarity on Kyle's situation. Did not receive clarity, which suggested to him that Kyle didn't want to be GM.

* On Thursday, Kyle informed Shanahan that his agent would reach out - agent presented a new financial package to the team, and before dinner, got an email from Kyle saying he wanted to continue being GM of the Maple Leafs. Admits though, that by then, he had already been thinking about the future of the Maple Leafs with a different GM.

* Woke up this morning, drove to Kyle's office, and told him that his contract would not be renewed.

* Does not think negotiations broke down over money. Always believed that something would get done between the 2, until the Monday presser, which planted doubt that it woudn't be Kyle coming back.

* On what the next GM looks like - going to be open minded to all candidates, but having an experienced GM would be a very attractive quality.

* On regrets that he didn't extend Kyle last summer - says it's more common than people realize. Says players, coaches, and management go through it. Says it's not ideal, but wanted to be open and supportive with Kyle all throughout the year. Wanted to go to him as early as possible, after deadline, to indicate they wanted him back. Didn't want to wait on results.

* On Kyle's Monday presser - was aware that this season had taken a toll on his family, but was not expecting that to be made public. Presented a lot of questions. Appreciates Kyle's honesty and emotions. Says it's a massive privilege's to play and work in the NHL, but says it's very difficult for all athlethes, coaches, and managements, in all cities.

* On any other changes - have spoken to most staff & players, and thinks any further decisions need to belong to a new GM. Will work closely with Pridham over the next few weeks to ensure things continue operating.

* Says decisions like this are part of the job. Says Kyle was instrumental to get organization where they are today. From 2014, when Kyle was hired, to now, it's been a journey. Says if they want to get to where they want to get to, everyone, including Kyle, will have their fingerprints on it.

* Reiterates what Kyle said on Monday - everything is on the table, and that everything will get evaluated, and decisions will be made to improve. Says just being different, isn't the solution. It's finding something that is a better fit than what we have now.

* On whether Pridham is a candidate - he's not ruling anyone out. Has told him what factors are attractive to him (experience), but isn't ruling out any possibilities. Says they have to get to work, and points out that Pridham has excellent relationship with players and their agents and can help with contractual discussions.

 

[Stephen]

I loved what Shanny said.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Shanahan sure loves rambling incessantly while saying absolutely nothing. Such a lame duck executive

 

[Fogelhund]

He should've been, but GMs like Dubas try to act like they're the smartest guy in the room.

You do understand that Schneider has struggled pretty badly. He would still be on the Marlies in our org.

I loved what Shanny said.

He didn't say much though...

 

[The Masters]

In an email LOL

this sums up Kyle's tenure. Clown

 

[DarkKnight]

Went too far off the limb and the branch snapped. Thank Kyle, now GTFO.

Still can’t play poker.

 

[TMLegend]

If what Shanahan said is true Dubas's lack of professionalism at the end will sewer him in his future endeavors.

 

[ACC1224]

It must be absolute pandemonium down at the D.D.L. right now.
I wonder when they'll make a statement.

 

[LeafsandSharksfan]

Felt like we were that guieny pig

We should have found the guy who had just finished learning and was ready to go.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

I have very little faith in Shanahan finding a better GM than Dubas. He didn't seem prepared at all for this outcome and is left scrambling

 

[Leaf Rocket]

The Presser kind of left me not confident...

No plan in place at all tbh. Hopefully, they can figure out how to maneuver during these critical times.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

Gotta say though. I do think with that core Dubas received, there isn’t one GM in the league that would have frigged things up to the point where they wouldn’t have made the playoffs every season. You had pretty much 4 elite players and 1C that would have made team Canada. I don’t think it’s as bad without Kyle as some may think.

 

[KPower]

Sounded like Dubas didn’t really want to come back so priced himself out of the job.

Interesting way to leave.

 

[Stephen]

This is a pretty awful look for Shanny.

Clearly had no plan in place other than try and keep Dubas - which he seemingly left too late. And may have even changed his mind rapidly beacuse of being caught off guard by things send at the last presser by Dubas' lol....

What is clear is there is absolutely no coherent plan in place for what comes next other than Shanny making things up on the fly. Need to hope he lucks out and gets things right by chance

I disagree. As I had said earlier this week you can’t have Dubas appear to be a separate entity from the organization he’s tasked with leading. Dubas made that division very clear even though he could have pursued the negotiations and private obligations privately. He let the public see the sausage making and “went behind the family.”

It’s not that he can’t make huge demands. But it has to be quiet and discreet. For public facing purposes he IS the organization. But there were too many drama points for that to be tenable.

 

[Nineteen67]

Dubas’ Oprah moment on Monday was a big error. I’m more glad he’s gone after hearing how this went down, Dubas looks weak and soft.

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[fahad203]

Shanahan Presser -

* Thanks Kyle for the 9 years involved with the franchise. Fantastic employee and person.

* Approached Kyle last year, and explained that he would not be receiving a contract offer for his final year. Reassured him that it wasn't a reflection of his situation with the club, and that they'd consider extending him later in the year.

* Was pleased with Kyle's off-season. Did an excellent job with letting players go and making signings. Calls team's regular season excellent. Says team was also managed well throughout the season.

* Thought Kyle made some very good moves at the deadline, and prepared the team to the best of his availability for the playoffs. After deadline moves, Shanahan told Kyle that he'd seen enough work to know he wanted Kyle back with an extension. A week later, Kyle confirmed that he was interested in an extension but didn't want it to be a distraction.

* Had many good conversations with Kyle's agent throughout the rest of the season and playoffs. Felt those conversations were productive. Says they were close to a finished deal. When the season ended, told Kyle on the night of game 5 loss to Florida that they wanted to move forward quickly with an extension. On Saturday after loss, Kyle was presented with an offer.

* Told Kyle he didn't want to meet with media until clarity was gained on Kyle's situation. Told Kyle he thought he souldn't meet media either, but Kyle was adament he wanted to speak. Felt it was important.

* Kyle expressed in earlier meeting that this process was very hard on Kyle's family.

* When watching Kyle's press, there was a dramatic shift in thinking - as Kyle expressed, he might not want to be the team's GM anymore. Came to the realization that he needed to potentially start looking at new GM.

* Over next few weeks after Monday's locker clear out, gained no clarity on Kyle's situation. Did not receive clarity, which suggested to him that Kyle didn't want to be GM.

* On Thursday, Kyle informed Shanahan that his agent would reach out - agent presented a new financial package to the team, and before dinner, got an email from Kyle saying he wanted to continue being GM of the Maple Leafs. Admits though, that by then, he had already been thinking about the future of the Maple Leafs with a different GM.

* Woke up this morning, drove to Kyle's office, and told him that his contract would not be renewed.

* Does not think negotiations broke down over money. Always believed that something would get done between the 2, until the Monday presser, which planted doubt that it woudn't be Kyle coming back.

* On what the next GM looks like - going to be open minded to all candidates, but having an experienced GM would be a very attractive quality.

* On regrets that he didn't extend Kyle last summer - says it's more common than people realize. Says players, coaches, and management go through it. Says it's not ideal, but wanted to be open and supportive with Kyle all throughout the year. Wanted to go to him as early as possible, after deadline, to indicate they wanted him back. Didn't want to wait on results.

* On Kyle's Monday presser - was aware that this season had taken a toll on his family, but was not expecting that to be made public. Presented a lot of questions. Appreciates Kyle's honesty and emotions. Says it's a massive privilege's to play and work in the NHL, but says it's very difficult for all athlethes, coaches, and managements, in all cities.

* On any other changes - have spoken to most staff & players, and thinks any further decisions need to belong to a new GM. Will work closely with Pridham over the next few weeks to ensure things continue operating.

* Says decisions like this are part of the job. Says Kyle was instrumental to get organization where they are today. From 2014, when Kyle was hired, to now, it's been a journey. Says if they want to get to where they want to get to, everyone, including Kyle, will have their fingerprints on it.

* Reiterates what Kyle said on Monday - everything is on the table, and that everything will get evaluated, and decisions will be made to improve. Says just being different, isn't the solution. It's finding something that is a better fit than what we have now.

* On whether Pridham is a candidate - he's not ruling anyone out. Has told him what factors are attractive to him (experience), but isn't ruling out any possibilities. Says they have to get to work, and points out that Pridham has excellent relationship with players and their agents and can help with contractual discussions.

You are doing god' work. Appreciate it man

 

[DarkKnight]

Dubas comes off as Dufas here. What a joke.

 

[Mickey Marner]

In an email LOL

this sums up Kyle's tenure. Clown

Not surprising. He had to get Shanahan to fire Babcock for him. Such a coward.

 

[Twine Tickler]

You left the part out that Thursday sent a whole new fianncial plan after looking to be on the same page prior to the year end press conference.

Kyle earned the right to ask whatever the f*** he wanted. Lets not forget this was the gamble MLSE and Brendon made him take. They could have easily resigned him last season when he earned it then as well. But because they were to chicken shit to face the public and extend a GM after a failed season, there we were on Monday.

MLSE doesn't give a f*** about money. It was never about money. It was about Shanny getting ass hurt by a guy his junior, who strung him along on a decision that he put Kyle into in the first place.

Make no mistake, this is Shanny essentially saying "I'm the boss", that's it. He let his ego get in the way of the right decision. I could get behind that if Shanny was the straw that stirred the drink for this team, but what the f*** has that guy done for this team lately?? we've not even heard from him all year until today.

MLSE should be embarrassed TBH

 

[wingman75]

Regardless of anything else this is not a good look for Shanahan at all, makes it seem like he's not really aware or in control of what's happening.

How did you come to that conclusion?

Everything I heard tells me, Dubas' agent led Shanahan on. And once everything was settled, Kyle pulled a fast one and pretty much said, not sure I want to be the GM here, but if you give me truck loads of money, I guess I'll do it.

Shanahan, being fully in control. basically told Kyle to stick it. Sounded like he felt a little disrespected in how it was handled (especially the end part of the negotiations), and he does not want a GM that is not fully committed.

I enjoyed Brendan's presser, except for the part about not letting Keefe go.

Onward and upward.

 

[stakesishigh]

I gotta be honest this feels catastrophically bad. I don't blame him for not wanting to deal with the next round of contracts with these players.

We are in trouble.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

I liked that Shanahan was very transparent with what happened.

Dubas tried to play the victim in the media to garner sympathy using his family and then used the situation to get a better contract and more power from MLSE. and his plan ultimately failed.

Shanahan and MLSE clearly didn't like being jerked around and cut ties with him.

 

[Stephen]

You do understand that Schneider has struggled pretty badly. He would still be on the Marlies in our org.



He didn't say much though...

He laid out the timeline and showed why he had a change of heart.