Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[therealkoho]

can someone Coles Notes what Shanahan said?

Dubas basically euchred himself with Monday presser, along with money/control issues

Looking for an experienced GM, feels that Toronto job requires it.

Rest of staff carry on as usual preparing for draft

So far

 

[LaPlante94]

This seems like Kyle and his agent tried to do things the way our players did him and Shanny didn't budge and just said cya.

 

[Aashir]

He played this like he was Auston Matthews himself.

Dubas learned from the goddamn best

 

[Apex Predator]

Let me get this straight... You put Kyle into a lame duck situation. He impressed you throughout the season and playoffs. Then because he didn't sign on the dotted line right when you wanted him to, you decided he wasn't the right guy for the job anymore? All within a matter of 48-72hrs?

Shanny needs to be fired now. Dubas wanted to be the GM, he wanted Dubas to be GM, and he let his emotions get in the way of making the right decision.

Truly pathetic stuff from Shanny.

Kyle earned the right to take whatever time he wanted (within reason). He gambled on himself, and won. f*** off MLSE and f*** off Shanny.

You left the part out that Thursday sent a whole new fianncial plan after looking to be on the same page prior to the year end press conference.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

This is a pretty awful look for Shanny.

Clearly had no plan in place other than try and keep Dubas - which he seemingly left too late. And may have even changed his mind rapidly beacuse of being caught off guard by things send at the last presser by Dubas' lol....

What is clear is there is absolutely no coherent plan in place for what comes next other than Shanny making things up on the fly. Need to hope he lucks out and gets things right by chance

This is what scares me.

You can fire/move on but man he has NO PLAN at this junction before a pretty critical off-season is brutal. Absolutely brutal.

 

[binop7]

based on reports it sounds like he is though... if he wants another job it sounds like he potentially has at least 2 offers.

He can go ruin those teams.

 

[BigBlu]

He played this like he was Auston Matthews himself.

No. He played it like he was Nick Nurse.

Management (the same Board!) reflexively handled it the same way.

 

[LeafsandSharksfan]

He played this like he was Auston Matthews himself.

He really is learning from the core.

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

It sounded more to me like Shanny didn’t like that Kyle wasn’t sure he wanted to be GM of the Maple Leafs. He repeated that. That’s what changed his mind or made him second guess his original stance of bringing Dubas back.

But didn't the org express the same thing by not getting a deal done earlier? They put him in as a lame duck for the last year and he expresses that he needs to have a conversation with his family because he wasn't sure if he'd be back? I dunno, seems a bit of a grey area to me

 

[Menzinger]

Thank God. Pridham is the only one I come close to trusting.

Looks like MLSE has backed a dump truck full of money to keep him around at least

 

[93LEAFS]

This is a pretty awful look for Shanny.

Clearly had no plan in place other than try and keep Dubas - which he seemingly left too late. And may have even changed his mind rapidly beacuse of being caught off guard by things send at the last presser by Dubas' lol....

What is clear is there is absolutely no coherent plan in place for what comes next other than Shanny making things up on the fly. Need to hope he lucks out and gets things right by chance

Board should have stepped in on Monday and fired both.

 

[therealkoho]

Active, creative yes, listen to fanbase not so much………

Why do people think that

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Genuinely excited for next season. Potential is there.

 

[Farsailor]

Kinda shitty sitting reading your diary in detail about a person who is not it there to say his say

 

[Martin Skoula]

This is a pretty awful look for Shanny.

Clearly had no plan in place other than try and keep Dubas - which he seemingly left too late. And may have even changed his mind rapidly beacuse of being caught off guard by things send at the last presser by Dubas' lol....

What is clear is there is absolutely no coherent plan in place for what comes next other than Shanny making things up on the fly. Need to hope he lucks out and gets things right by chance

This reeks of corporate PR training from Bell/Rogers, consultants who think “being honest and vulnerable” is more compelling than old thinking like “having a plan”.

 

[MisterT]

Time to move on from the Shanaplan.

 

[DarkKnight]

Dubas’ Oprah moment on Monday was a big error. I’m more glad he’s gone after hearing how this went down, Dubas looks weak and soft.

 

[notbias]

He can go ruin those teams.

I really hope this doesn't happen, but if we bring in an experienced GM like Holland for example (his time should be coming up), and Dubas goes to another team. I see Dubas' team doing a lot better than ours.

 

[ToneDog]

Reading between the lines it's clear Shanahan viewed the Dubas press conference how many of us viewed it here (and were called Sociopaths by Dubas loyalists lol).

Shanahan thought the press conference was a power play by Dubas as a hey maybe I don't want to come back. And then subsequently followed that up with a demand for more money. He tried to play mind games and lost.

Bye Dubas. He'll learn this is how the big boys play. If this negotiation tactic is anything to go by no wonder the core took him to the cleaners on their contracts.

Now let's see if he sits as he said or takes another job.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

Ownership letting him go to the end of the season as a lame duck really opened things up for this to happen

I suppose but did they have another choice given the first round success rate? What if they renewed him and the team had missed the playoffs or was swept first round. Inevitably there wasn’t much incentive to have signed him long term before the season was complete. Obviously Dubas was wanting a real contract and not just a tiny show me deal.

 

[7even]

This is exactly what happened. Played hard to get. You ain't a prize horse Kyle you misplayed your cards.

If you really need a pair of shoes, and you thumb the store for overpricing, you may have won the exchange, but you still don't have any shoes.

 

[binop7]

I really hope this doesn't happen, but if we bring in an experienced GM like Holland for example (his time should be coming up), and Dubas goes to another team. I see Dubas' team doing a lot better than ours.

Dubas can drop trou in the middle of a podium and you'd applaud it.

 

[danny90]

Well that sucks he learned a lot and gained experience to use with another franchise while we get to start back at 0 with less player trust

 

[The Masters]

Toronto media just came lol

 

[ToneDog]

Dubas’ Oprah moment on Monday was a big error. I’m more glad he’s gone after hearing how this went down, Dubas looks weak and soft.

Went too far off the limb and the branch snapped. Thank Kyle, now GTFO.