Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[therealkoho]

I think overall Dubas did a decent job, some great drafting... Until we know who replaces him, hard to comment further. All that really matters is the team finding success at some point.

Diju know that Doug MacLean drafted Rick Nash

 

[Lightsol]

Better hope that's not true, or it guarantees the next GM is going to be awful. Who exactly wants a job where if it works, your boss gets credit but you get blamed if it fails? The result is going to be a bootlicker for Shanny.

 

[Tak7]

Honestly this move might be the final straw for me as a fan. Legit cannot believe they made such a f*** up, and it is squarely on them because they should have extended him last year.

And for all the hurr durr Dubas sucks, let me remind you..

- Lou signs Zaitsev and Marleau deals
- Nonis signs Clarkson and tried to sign Bolland
- Burke trades unprotected firsts that become top end picks and signs LACK
- JFJ trades Steen, Rask, etc

Dubas was ALWAYS able to get trades done and he NEVER put the team in a shit situation with these unmovable contracts or mortgaging the future. He knew the value of the assets he had, was a great scout both amateur and professionally.

I question if Dubas haters were fans longer than the past few seasons to understand how big of a f***up this day is.

I've believed for a while now that those that go out of their way to hate on Dubas, simply weren't around during the truly miserable days of the Cliff, JFJ, Burke, Nonis eras.

How could anyone live through that crap, experience what we've had recently, and opt to want more of the past rather than this?

Baffling.

 

[LeafSteel]

The total autonomy thing is interesting.

It makes me think that the TDL moves made, to bring in players that Dubas has never brought in before, may have come at the direction of Shanahan.

I don’t want any of our GM’s having total autonomy: we have a brain trust for a reason, and a fully autonomous GM doesn’t end well.

Memories of JFJ “total autonomy” moving Rask to keep Pogge” comes to mind….

 

[Welsh Maple Leaf]

Awful decision to get rid of him. Dubas was far from perfect but he wasn’t the issue.

Shanahan, Keefe and some of the ‘core 4’ should’ve gone first.

 

[sxvnert]

So the baby cried on the podium had nothing to do with family. Used his family in the media to negotiate.

He knew the media would run with it and back him up 100%. Only one person in the media put it back on his body of work. The rest all fell in line like the corp lackeys they truly are.

 

[rocketman588]

We lost Kadri because of Kadri. You are right about Hyman, though.

Probably could have Kept Zach if we would have moved off kerfoot honestly

 

[Fogelhund]

Dubas's media boys lining up to pin this on Shanny lol

Pretty obvious 95% of the transactions at least we're him

The only ones I can see otherwise we're the Sandin for a 1st, and the Knies pull back that was rumored

I'm not sure you've even listened to this. No, this isn't pinning anything on Shanny, or blame.

It's Dubas wanting full autonomy. Shanahan not giving it to him... That's the suggestion.

There is no blame in that. Shanahan has the right to not give full authority. Dubas has the right to ask for it. In the end, you work under the conditions your employer sets out, and if you don't accept them, your gone.

This pretty much confirms some of the feelings others have had here... @JT AM da real deal would concur. Dubas wanted full autonomy, it wasn't going to happen, and now we move on, for better or worse...TBD.

 

[Racer88]

As far as I've been in on this site...you are going to get factions regardless of who is at the helm.

It is learning how to behave and respect one another that I find a sad and difficult task for a lot.

A got 2 such holiday’s myself……..but not for a long time so unlike Kadri I think I have learned my lesson

 

[The Masters]

Going to be interesting what shanny's next plans are.

 

[rocketman588]

Awful decision to get rid of him. Dubas was far from perfect but he wasn’t the issue.

Shanahan, Keefe and some of the ‘core 4’ should’ve gone first.

Yes shanny who is in charge of the business side

And the core 4 and Keefe who Dubas was in charge of hiring and trading. All should take the blame instead of him

 

[The Masters]

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Frank Seravalli talks about this situation. Suggestions about an ongoing power struggle between Shanahan and Dubas, over who had final say on transactions.

from things that i heard, they were really distant this season

 

[hamzarocks]

Micheal Tierrien the next coach

Bring the French to Toronto

 

[Leaf Rocket]

If true, there laid out right before our eyes are Dubas' actually priorities: money and power. What I see is Dubas hardballing for money and power. Shanahan offered something that should have been priceless to someone with family concerns: a private jet to limit the time away from the family.

Fun fact/Story... NBA's Tracy Mcgrady lost a chance to play with Tim Duncan because the team cheaped out for that reason alone, not letting using the private jets see their family. Many say if they were teamed up they would've won multiple championships.

One did win regardless, but another never got the help (Mcgrady) even though he was one of the most sensational players in basketball during his time in Orlando after being traded from Toronto.

 

[Racer88]

Apparently Shanny released a press release at noon stating that the Team has decided to move on from Dubas and as such has been let go

 

[Primary Assist]

Although I want sweeping change I am a bit bummed to see him go. He will excel elsewhere though and I wouldnt be that surprised if he eventually gets a ring. Good luck Dubie, and may the team now commit fully to a total change in personnel and philosophy

 

[sxvnert]

If it wasn't obvious: Total autonomy = I'm keeping Keefe indefinitely

 

[rumman]

so it was ego and greed that killed boy wonder, try getting that deal from Ottawa Pittsburgh et al..............

 

[Racer88]

Dubas was not GM for 8 years. Dubas became GM at a critical time, and did a really good job navigating both it and the abnormal league environment that followed. It was important to have him here for this next critical moment, and it's probably the worst possible time to go on a GM search. This is a potentially catastrophic loss for the organization, and how it all played out doesn't inspire confidence that MLSE knows what they're doing enough to prevent it from being one.

He was GM for 5 years but failed to change the core when it was obvious after 6 years that they couldn’t get it done in the playoff So here we are again at 7 year failure, everything else is Wrong………

 

[sxvnert]

Apparently Shanny released a press release at noon stating that the Team has decided to move on from Dubas and as such has been let go

A good move to allow radio/news programs to discuss the topic before 3pm.

 

[mapleleafs34]

from things that i heard, they were really distant this season

Can confirm Dubas did not like Shanny. But I'm just a random guy so don't believe me

 

[Dekes For Days]

Wrong………

Nope, all accurate.

 

[al secord]

Diju know that Doug MacLean drafted Rick Nash

He's too humble to mention it.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

The total autonomy thing is interesting.

It makes me think that the TDL moves made, to bring in players that Dubas has never brought in before, may have come at the direction of Shanahan.

I don’t want any of our GM’s having total autonomy: we have a brain trust for a reason, and a fully autonomous GM doesn’t end well.

Memories of JFJ “total autonomy” moving Rask to keep Pogge” comes to mind….

JFJ also had a LOT on his shoulders by the TPP. There was less autonomy during that time IMO, and it was more like do whatever it takes to get into the playoffs.

 

[ULF_55]

Willie was comparing to Drai back then. But his comparison would be Tkachuk, and Pastrnak this time and both of them got much better stats than him despite him getting 40goals this past season.

That’s why I don’t think any GMs would pay him as much as Tkachuk

And it turns out Nylander's deal was probably the best of the bunch, along with Morgan's.