Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Boxscore]

Sure but what's that have to do with their lives?


What you do in your down time has no bearing on how you play the game.
His and the Leaf players contracts have nothing to do with it.

We can agree to disagree on that.

If Crosby spends his downtime improving his slapper and draws then wins a Cup... and MacKinnon spends his downtime getting in pristine shape and improving his diet then wins a Cup... and the Leafs players spend their downtime going to concerts and whining about the dress code then continually disappoint in the playoffs... how can you say what these players choose to do with their downtime has no bearing on their performance? Maybe their number one priority isn't winning a Cup?

And contracts absolutely have a lot to do with it. If the Leafs core feel they need more depth and support to win a Cup (and they obviously proved that) then they also need to be willing to take less money so the team can build a viable cast around them in hard cap world. They can't have it both ways. A hard cap exists -- it stinks but it's reality.

 

[ACC1224]

Do you remember when Lou and Babcock first started here? What was that training t-shirt they had in regards to training, nutrition, etc. it was something like 325 days?

I don't recall but I'd be very surprised if these guys don't train just as hard as every other player in the league.

 

[hockeywiz542]

According to Nick Kypreos:

- Kyle Dubas is waiting on making a decision whether he will accept the job in Pittsburgh or not

- if Kyle Dubas doesn't want the job, Jason Botterill might be hired as the new GM of the Pittsburgh Penguins

- will Eddie Olczyk be hired as the new President of the Pittsburgh Penguins?

 

[ACC1224]

We can agree to disagree on that.

If Crosby spends his downtime improving his slapper and draws then wins a Cup... and MacKinnon spends his downtime getting in pristine shape and improving his diet then wins a Cup... and the Leafs players spend their downtime going to concerts and whining about the dress code then continually disappoint in the playoffs... how can you say what these players choose to do with their downtime has no bearing on their performance? Maybe their number one priority isn't winning a Cup?

And contracts absolutely have a lot to do with it. If the Leafs core feel they need more depth and support to win a Cup (and they obviously have proved that) then they also need to be willing to take less money so the team can build a viable cast around them in hard cap world. They can't have it both ways. A hard cap exists -- it stinks but it's reality.

You're very naïve if you don't think every player has down time as well as working on parts of their games.

The contracts have nothing to do with the point being made, that is an entirely different thing.

 

[Boxscore]

How do you know Nate didn't piss everyone off causing a first round exit with his over the top nonsense this year?

The "nonsense?" wasn't this year -- it was the year before they won a Cup. And the answer is...

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[keonsbitterness]

Well first off, big difference in league situations between a healthy league return and a rapidly rising cap, and a billion+ dollar debt, a guaranteed multi-year stagnation of the cap, and a potential pandemic-induced global recession down the road. But also, the Thornton trade was a complete disaster. That shouldn't be a reason to do it; it should be a reason to avoid it.

Of course losing Thornton hurt their long-term prospects. It didn't end up sinking them for too long because they had pretty much everything else simultaneously go their way in the mid-2000s - lucking into one of the best defensemen of a generation for free (Chara), lucking into one of the best goalies of a generation for free (Rask), lucking into lottery picks from Toronto, Thomas coming out of nowhere in his mid-30s, and some good drafting in the mid-2000s, etc.. But none of that was because of trading Thornton. All they accomplished with that was throwing away what could have been so much more. There's a good chance they threw away a Chicago-like dynasty.

Last thing I expected was a defence of Joe Thornton. He led Boston nowhere, he contributed to San Jose's reputation as one of the NHL's greatest playoff underachievers, his career playoff production was 25% lower than in the regular season, his leadership was publicly questioned in Boston, and his captaincy was stripped in San Jose. Where is the evidence Boston threw away a Chicago-like dynasty?

I don't get how signing a free agent was/is largely based on luck. Money and the team's presentation to the free agent must be incredibly huge factors.

If you're against trading any of those three players, how long do we stick with them if playoff results don't improve? Two more years? Five? More? When does enough become enough?

 

[keonsbitterness]

I trust my dead grandmothers as hockey sources over Mark Madden.

 

[rocketman588]

I trust my dead grandmothers as hockey sources over Mark Madden.

It's past 3 what's the news lol

It seems like the dude is dicking around the pens like he did us in hopes that he can land a (currently filled) job with the Sens

I feel bad for Dorion if Dubas doesn't take Pittsburgh because you know the slappys in the media will be pushing for him to go there 24/7 365

Might as well hire him here imo

Looks like he's trying to get a president and GM combo role and there's not many takers

 

[hockeywiz542]

Penguins officially set to hire ex-Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas: report | Offside

According to multiple reports, the Pittsburgh Penguins are set to hire former Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas.

dailyhive.com

Kyle Dubas has found his next job after a dramatic exit from the Toronto Maple Leafs, according to multiple reports.

Per 105.9 The X radio host Mark Madden on a broadcast on Tuesday afternoon, Dubas is finalizing a deal to join the Pittsburgh Penguins’ front office, with the deal in the final stages.

Dubas had reportedly met with Penguins captain Sidney Crosby earlier this month at the Penguins’ facility to discuss the possibility of him joining the franchise.

Dubas was officially let go by the Leafs on May 19, 2023 after five seasons as general manager, having served in the organization since 2014.

 

[rocketman588]

Penguins officially set to hire ex-Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas: report | Offside

According to multiple reports, the Pittsburgh Penguins are set to hire former Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas.

dailyhive.com

Kyle Dubas has found his next job after a dramatic exit from the Toronto Maple Leafs, according to multiple reports.

Per 105.9 The X radio host Mark Madden on a broadcast on Tuesday afternoon, Dubas is finalizing a deal to join the Pittsburgh Penguins’ front office, with the deal in the final stages.

Dubas had reportedly met with Penguins captain Sidney Crosby earlier this month at the Penguins’ facility to discuss the possibility of him joining the franchise.

Dubas was officially let go by the Leafs on May 19, 2023 after five seasons as general manager, having served in the organization since 2014.

From what I read on the pens board who were listening to it. it was basically just the same info as before rephrased but we'll see

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Sneaky little devil apparently got all that family kerfuffle ironed out in a couple of weeks huh?
Good for him, I'm glad that the entire hockey world got to see his true colours.

 

[francis246]

Sure but what's that have to do with their lives?


What you do in your down time has no bearing on how you play the game.
His and the Leaf players contracts have nothing to do with it.

It’s also absurd that people actually think these guys don’t train hard as hell over the summer. Listen, I agree a culture change and reset is needed. But taking a day or two to hang out with Bieber in the summer doesn’t mean anything. They are friends, that’s perfectly fine.

Pretty sure both Matthews and Marner have trained with McDavid as well in previous summers in Arizona. Lots of other hockey players hang out with celebrities, but those celebrities don’t have the paparazzi on their ass all the time.

 

[rumman]

Last thing I expected was a defence of Joe Thornton. He led two Boston nowhere, he contributed to San Jose's reputation as one of the NHL's greatest playoff underachievers, his career playoff production was 25% lower than in the regular season, his leadership was publicly questioned in Boston, and his captaincy was stripped in San Jose. Where is the evidence Boston threw away a Chicago-like dynasty?

I don't get how signing a free agent was/is largely based on luck. Money and the team's presentation to the free agent must be incredibly huge factors.

If you're against trading any of those three players, how long do we stick with them if playoff results don't improve? Two more years? Five? More? When does enough become enough?

it's what I love about Boston, they'll jettison anyone anywhere at anytime if it improves the team.......

 

[Racer88]

So much for Leafs or a year off. The dude has zero integrity or honesty.
what an amateur show

 

[rumman]

It's past 3 what's the news lol

It seems like the dude is dicking around the pens like he did us in hopes that he can land a (currently filled) job with the Sens

I feel bad for Dorion if Dubas doesn't take Pittsburgh because you know the slappys in the media will be pushing for him to go there 24/7 365

Might as well hire him here imo

Looks like he's trying to get a president and GM combo role and there's not many takers

why? he can be a equally useless Prez and GM imo............

Sneaky little devil apparently got all that family kerfuffle ironed out in a couple of weeks huh?
Good for him, I'm glad that the entire hockey world got to see his true colours.


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ought to have a picture of Dubas in the dictionary under scumbag, but I'm happy if he gets the job even though it'd be better for him to screw up the Sen's............

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Not buying it.

Shanahan Hires Lou. Hunter. Babcock. Dubas.

All of a sudden in a relatively shocking decision Dubas is made GM. Dubas talks the talk in line with trendy messaging and all that. Shanahan in short order turns his back on his plan and hires firing them or letting them go. Essentially he openly admits failure and then proceeds to bring in the Soo? Or...

Kyle Dubas sells the board on NuHockey while there and essentially usurps the team. Runs it into the ground and im the last minute goes for a final all encompassing power grab. Trying to get Shanahan out of the equation.

I think its pretty obvious. Shanahan went with the board and Dubas and finally when the mistake was obvious to MLSE he got canned.

I hope this is true. Otherwise, we're effed.

 

[hullsy47]

Penguins officially set to hire ex-Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas: report | Offside

According to multiple reports, the Pittsburgh Penguins are set to hire former Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas.

dailyhive.com

Kyle Dubas has found his next job after a dramatic exit from the Toronto Maple Leafs, according to multiple reports.

Per 105.9 The X radio host Mark Madden on a broadcast on Tuesday afternoon, Dubas is finalizing a deal to join the Pittsburgh Penguins’ front office, with the deal in the final stages.

Dubas had reportedly met with Penguins captain Sidney Crosby earlier this month at the Penguins’ facility to discuss the possibility of him joining the franchise.

Dubas was officially let go by the Leafs on May 19, 2023 after five seasons as general manager, having served in the organization since 2014.

Looks like he got LOGAN ROYs jet
Boy I wish my work burnout only took 10 days to recover from

 

[57 Years No Cup]

No disrespect, but I think this attitude sort of represents the entitlement issues and emotional immaturity the young core on the Leafs have shown. There is a difference between "rich people hanging out with rich people" and the optics of Matthews and company following Bieber around like fanboys and having the time of their lives on social media immediately after underachieving once again in the playoffs.

It's a professional maturity issue. It's being aware of the situation and considering optics. It's demonstrating where your priorities lie. It's showing your bosses and fans that you hate losing as much as they do. But these kids just don't seem to get it. They have a very entitled, "I'll do what I want, when I want, win when I want, wear what I want, and you'll pay me what I want" mindset. That's a toxic mindset. And until it shifts the Leafs will likely never win anything significant.

If you were the highest paid revenue generator for your company and your business is struggling and you just finished the year poorly, would you immediately post pics on Instagram of you all smiles at a swim up beach bar? Or laying in the sun without a care in the world? Likely not, if you valued your job and the perception your employers, coworkers, and peers have of you.

That's the thing -- these kids just don't get it. Either does/did Dubas, and it's why his immature power play got him jettisoned.

The point I made referenced Sidney Crosby as contrast. Does he not "hang around with other rich people?" When he was 25 and the Pens were ousted from the playoffs, he dedicated two offseasons to shooting thousands of pucks and practicing face-offs.

I'll use another example: when the Avalanche were upset in the playoffs three seasons ago, Nate MacKinnon flipped out, got into impeccable shape, and demanded his teammates take their diets seriously. The following season he was hoisting the Stanley Cup. That's dedication.

Ironically, the summer MacKinnon dedicated himself, social media was littered with "sugar memes" mocking him. Because everything is a big joke to people who don't take their profession or winning seriously. The kid was legit ridiculed and made a punchline for wanting to improve and win a Cup. The Leafs core though? What have they done publicly in their offseasons? They've asked for more money, followed Bieber around, and complained about the dress code.

You honestly don't see a problem with this? Don't see a pattern of misaligned priorities and early playoff exits that follow due to poor performances from said players? Where's our Crosby or MacKinnon? They've been backstage VIP and picking out new kicks to wear on game night.

I don't recall ever seeing your posts before, maybe you were otherwise occupied. That said, as you and I are long time posters, I must give you mad respect. You Sir, are the man. Your posts are bang on and describe the situation PERFECTLY.

Therefore the Dubasites will hate you.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Sneaky little devil apparently got all that family kerfuffle ironed out in a couple of weeks huh?
Good for him, I'm glad that the entire hockey world got to see his true colours.


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Better save the gifs for AMs new deal.

 

[Trapper]

why? he can be a equally useless Prez and GM imo............


ought to have a picture of Dubas in the dictionary under scumbag, but I'm happy if he gets the job even though it'd be better for him to screw up the Sen's............

He just needs to share that magical pharmaceutical product that cures anxiety, stress and family issues in a week.
I think the drug is called Shanapan.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Better save the gifs for AMs new deal.

I have many ready don't worry

 

[myleafs]

Sneaky little devil apparently got all that family kerfuffle ironed out in a couple of weeks huh?
Good for him, I'm glad that the entire hockey world got to see his true colours.


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And fully expect some to justify Kyles change of heart after proclaiming he would not pop up anywhere else on any other team. He ws pretty clear about that. Nobody made him say it... he offered it up on his own just like he brought his family into it. I see him now where I didnt before. I certainly wont lose any sleep over it and frankly I hope he gets the pens job. I am very curious to see what he does there.

For the record I think he is going to stink up the joint. Now if we find out Shanny was the one pushing for soft passive play and he hindered Dubas from going after and making some significant deals to make the leafs tougher to play against then I take back everything and I will bend the knee.

It’s also absurd that people actually think these guys don’t train hard as hell over the summer. Listen, I agree a culture change and reset is needed. But taking a day or two to hang out with Bieber in the summer doesn’t mean anything. They are friends, that’s perfectly fine.

Pretty sure both Matthews and Marner have trained with McDavid as well in previous summers in Arizona. Lots of other hockey players hang out with celebrities, but those celebrities don’t have the paparazzi on their ass all the time.

Can we somehow get M&M to train with Crosby/McKinnon during the summer?

 

[myleafs]

it's what I love about Boston, they'll jettison anyone anywhere at anytime if it improves the team.......

They have a pretty clear identity and if you are not able or dont want to fit into the vision/direction they have, they will not hesitate to send you packing. Whats our identity again?

So much for Leafs or a year off. The dude has zero integrity or honesty.
what an amateur show

Nobody made him say those things either, just like the we can and we will and the apparent promise to Nylander that as long as he was gm he wouldnt trade him. Why he keeps painting himself into a corner is beyond me.

 

[Squiffy]

Can anyone explain to me how Dubas messed up the ttc today? Jesus what a gong show on the subway today, both ways.