Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

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Martin Skoula

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If the reports of MLSE employees being "in mourning" over the dismissal of Kyle Dubas are true along with the Friedman reports that MLSE cuts may go deeper to rooting out the entire hockey department, it seems like there might be an organizational wide issue with emotional intelligence. Might not even be a core player issue.

I imagine the answers will shake out over the summer, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s not as much as cult of Kyle but instead “mourning” over the reality of working for corporations that don’t really care about the hockey side of things. The only place I’ve seen anything similar is smaller tight knit workplaces getting acquired or merged into a soulless conglomerate.
 
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phillipmike

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This has been coming for a while though. I suggested a retool after last season's Tampa loss because the D situation is looking bleak and it's going to get worse before it gets better.

#1: xxxxx
#2: Rielly

#3: Brodie (declining, 1yr left)
#4: McCabe (4/5)

#5: Liljegren (trending up)
#6: Schenn*/Timmins

Subtract Sandin. Muzzin done. Giordano contemplating retirement. Florida was mocked entering this season for their D, but outside of Rielly, their group of Montour, Ekblad, Forsling is better than anything we have.

This team needs a lot more work than initially meets the eye. Needs to get both tougher and faster overall. Need heavier top 9 wingers, need a quality 3C that can skate, and need at least 1x long-term top 3 add on D. Goaltending is, as always, a question mark.

I don’t really fault Dubas for not getting Pietrangelo because the rumour was his wife didn’t want to move to Canada with the border closed due to covid. But if the Leafs had any shot at Pietrangelo, (and I said this at the time) then they missed a HUGE opportunity. Same goes for Dougie Hamilton the next offseason. But we tied up all our money in guys like Brodie, Kerfoot, Holl, Muzzin etc. and refused to move off them.

The hardest commodity to obtain in the league is minute eating right handed defenders and there were two available for nothing but money and both were Toronto boys. And they are great offensive players too.

And before anyone tells me we don’t have the money to pay Pietrangelo and Hamilton $19M+, we spent $20.8M on Muzzin, Murray, Brodie, Kerfoot and Holl. And spent $20M the year before on Muzzin, Brodie, Kerfoot, Holl and Mrazek.

Pietrangelo at $10M, Hamilton at $9M, Woll at $800K and a forward at $1M to replace Kerfoot is $20.8M. If you need more money, then Jarnkrok at $2.1M is another casualty.

Your defense for the last 2 years could have been;

Rielly-Pietrangelo
Sandin-Hamilton
Giordano-Liljigren

And that is WITH Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander. You would only have to make a hard decision this offseason to move one and this year could have been a good time to move off of Nylander.
 

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It’s funny you say that because Kyper says he heard Giordano is mulling retirement. May not want to put his family through another year for 800K at the age of 40.

Kypreos has no credibility as an insider but it’s plausible
 

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Agree with your thoughts on Ottawa but not on Pittsburgh. There are so few of these jobs that when one comes open and you need a job, you’re going to apply.
I agree, if the Pens made a pick, he’d be a idiot to pass, why would the Sens turf Dorion, he’s done a great job working under hard constraints………

I'm thinking there aren't a lot of pros to the idea of Giordano playing in 2023-24.
He’s almost soap. A warning to those who are bull on resigning Schenn, veteran D men never age well, it’s a fact of life……..
 

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I really hope Topi develops into something special but it’s really depressing to realize that Sandin as an 18 year old Marlie crushed Niemela as a 21 year old. Sandin stepped in and was an automatic impact player for the Marlies.
Edit: oh Jesus, I just realized that Nylander plus Sandin probably would have gotten Tkachuk last summer. Ouch.

Tkachuk specifically wanted to be the in the US, so it wouldn’t have
 
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Dubas would be an idiot to pass on the Penguins job. There are only 2 GM vacancies, and we already passed on him. He literally has no other options. If the idea is to watch Ottawa and hope the GM role there opens up there, don’t hold your breath
 

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Still think it would be hilarious if Shanny goes back and hire Dubas. Imagine the fans and media alike.
"After an extensive search we felt that the best person to lead this team forward was Kyle"
 

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Tkachuk specifically wanted to be the in the US, so it wouldn’t have
That was only a rumour wasn’t it? Is there any proof whatsoever behind that? Kind of sounds like a coping device if it is only vague hearsay. Seems more likely he would want to play with former teammates Matthews and Marner rather than go to USA at all costs.
 

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That was only a rumour wasn’t it? Is there any proof whatsoever behind that? Kind of sounds like a coping device if it is only vague hearsay. Seems more likely he would want to play with former teammates Matthews and Marner rather than go to USA at all costs.
The rumour was that he wanted to play in St Louis, but Florida was acceptable to him.
 
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Well, I felt the same way about Kadri and Marchment so I am used to the I told you so. I also liked Dubas when he was here. He is just irrelevant to me as he is no longer a Leaf ( well technically he is but for all intents and purposes he is not).
Ya im actually excited about watching the next act play out in this drama
 

Dekes For Days

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Bergeron injured himself in the Montreal season final, he had a herniated disc. Krecji was also injured. Both missed playoff time and tried to play injured.
Carolina was missing Svechnikov. Outside of that they are a well coached team with a roster than doesn't exactly belong in the conference finals.
Leafs were healthy, with a young team, with elite players in their prime and unlike Boston who took Florida to 7.... Leafs only ma aged 1 win.
No, didn't you hear? Boston/Carolina just don't like working. We can just label any loss as a result of not working or trying, with absolutely zero substantiation of that claim.
Context? Didn't you hear? That's not allowed. Quick, where are the excuse police!? Can't be too far. They were running around manipulating people's names yesterday.
Leafs weren't healthy either, but it's interesting how when Leafs experience significant injury losses, or play through injuries, it's all suck it up and win anyway. But when other teams have an injury, it was impossible for them to win... Also, did you really just say that Carolina, the 113 point 2nd best team in the league, doesn't belong in the conference finals...?
And FYI, that generational Boston team only won 1 game against Bobrovsky too.
 

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Shouldn't a team that's good enough to compete for a championship actually end up competing for a championship at some point after five years?
Nobody said they were championship-caliber in each of the past 5 years, and while we have competed, teams that are good enough to win a cup don't always win a cup, let alone as soon as they are of that quality. There are multiple teams every year that are championship-caliber.
It’s unfortunate that Toronto wasn’t allowed to get a good goalie of their own…
They were and did. Unfortunately, we weren't one of the teams to draft one of the half dozen top tier goalies in the league a decade ago with mid-round picks, and unfortunately, our goalie didn't fluke into a generational run at the perfect time like Bobrovsky. Instead, he unfortunately got injured in the 2nd round.
Boston said bye-bye to Joe Thornton at age 26 right after the lockout (a time of uncertainty due to a new economic system), and despite losing the trade it didn't hurt their long-term prospects.
Well first off, big difference in league situations between a healthy league return and a rapidly rising cap, and a billion+ dollar debt, a guaranteed multi-year stagnation of the cap, and a potential pandemic-induced global recession down the road. But also, the Thornton trade was a complete disaster. That shouldn't be a reason to do it; it should be a reason to avoid it.

Of course losing Thornton hurt their long-term prospects. It didn't end up sinking them for too long because they had pretty much everything else simultaneously go their way in the mid-2000s - lucking into one of the best defensemen of a generation for free (Chara), lucking into one of the best goalies of a generation for free (Rask), lucking into lottery picks from Toronto, Thomas coming out of nowhere in his mid-30s, and some good drafting in the mid-2000s, etc.. But none of that was because of trading Thornton. All they accomplished with that was throwing away what could have been so much more. There's a good chance they threw away a Chicago-like dynasty.
 
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I wake up every morning and have to pinch myself that I'm not still dreaming. It's over, it's really over !!!! :5:

Mercifully, all this pain and suffering at the hands of an unqualified GM that should never have been hired, has come to an end for Leaf Nation fans with hopefully brighter times ahead now for the longest suffering & most dedicated fan base in the NHL. A greenhorn President, hires a greenhorn GM who hires a greenhorn coach well that is all on MLSE for their poor decision making.

While the seasons themselves might have all had disappointing results and conclusions, this current chapter of the story itself does have a happy and just ending.

Knowing all that personal time and effort spent these last 5 years fighting the good fight, was not in vain, nor for nothing, eventually ending up on the right side of the ledger of Leafs history, but that's not the true reward here .. Its that future hope has once again been restored with change.

Chalk up this small victory to the crest on the front as GM's, Coaches and Players come & go all the time but the Maple Leaf lives forever. :vhappy:

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To a brighter future ahead !!!! :cheers:

Die hard Leaf fans unite.
I am trending to think that won't occur until the me me me Shanny The Politician is canned....this way he can permamently stay in NYC instead of going back & fotth (on the company jet) between shows....where his mind is really at....
 

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Now do Norris winning and Conn Smythe Dman Victor Hedman, and Vezina and Conn Smythe wining Andrei Vasilevskiy TB positional cap investment vs Leafs Core 4 forwards using 1/2 a Salary Cap. :wg:

"Good teams are built from the goalie out, thorough strong defense and strength down the middle"

#1G Vasilevskiy ----> #1D Hedman ----> #1C's Point & Stamkos = 2 Stanley Cups and & SCF over 3 years while the Leafs failed to win a single playoff round,

"We spending more than most contenders on our bottom 6 forwards" has about as much relevance to building a consistent Stanley Cup contender then shuffling around deck chairs on the Titanic would've achieved. :)

Hopefully our new GM recognizes the "too much cap investment in too few players" all at foward Iceberg landmine set by the previous naive GM, and can find a way to reallocate cap resourses to more higher priority & key to winning positions like goaltending and defense core. :crossfing
Again....what is allowed by Shanny? Ishe a roadblock to starus quo?
 

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Being the Toronto Maple Leafs GM must one of the best prestigious managerial positions available in sports.

To let your own incompetence take you out must be a bitter pill to swallow. However the silver lining for Toronto is that every day that Dubas is gone, is another day of healing for the Leafs organization.

Taking 5 years to win 5 playoff games in a single season as your high water mark, is a pretty low bar that it shouldn't be too difficult for almost any competent GM to step over, and move the organization forward and show progress in short order.

After all for comparison purposes, the recent expansion Seattle Kraken after taking out the defending Cup Champs Avs in round #1, bowed out in game #7 in round #2 to Dallas Stars by a score of 2-1 after wining 7 playoffs games in only their 2nd year of existence after starting from scratch 2 years ago. They were so close to almost making the final 4.
 
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