Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

He was tasked with making us good enough to compete for a championship, and he did, despite some pretty significant obstacles. We've been one of the best teams in the league for years. Nobody is perfect, but he did a good job building around the core and gave this team multiple really good shots.

Shouldn't a team that's good enough to compete for a championship actually end up competing for a championship at some point after five years?

 

[Guided by Veseys]

Whereas that’s possible, he was also good friends with Auston so maybe he would have been convinced to sign.

Gotta think that would have been very likely and a package of Nylander + would have gotten it done. Of course Tkachuk would have wanted to play with both Matthews and Marner again.
Dubas told Nylander he would never trade him and he was a man of his word.

 

[Dreakmur]

Shouldn't a team that's good enough to compete for a championship actually end up competing for a championship at some point after five years?

Stanley Cup is fake. We want the Corsi Cup!

Honestly were watching a Panthers team play Stall as a top 4 D. Forsling is also prone to his own issues and they play him as a top 2. I like Dallas, and have been a Suter fan for ages, but they ride their top pair hard to compensate their depth.

Too many people look at their own team and mistakes in isolation. They also tend to look at the result of the error rather than the occurence.

I dont love our D and would make changes based on my own preferences, but its competetive with 2 of the 3 teams left. I do think VGK has the strongest D left, which is a tier above.

Florida’s blueline isn’t good. Their forwards and goalie make up for that… which is what our core four was supposed to do for us.

Dallas’s blueline is legit.

 

[Dekes For Days]

For a person who prides himself on being "objective" and "facts" oriented you sure do share a ton of opinions.. Guess you know for a fact that if Lou had stuck around the Leafs wouldn't have made the playoffs

No, I don't know that for a fact. That's why I never claimed it to be a fact. In response to somebody saying that "of course" something would happen, I gave my opinion on what would "probably" happen, supported by the facts of how Lou has handled teams throughout the past decade+.

Steve, Jesse and Adam are joined by Chris Johnston to discuss the Leafs stars and the possibility of trading them and whether or not Toronto actually rejected a Marner for Tkachuk trade last summer.

Don't really care to watch a 7 min video on this, but of course Toronto would reject Marner for 1 year of Tkachuk (before he would go to the U.S. in UFA) in this theoretical trade.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Agreed but the pain parts comes from having to then listen to the Dubas supporters here telling us “I told you so. Lol

Well, I felt the same way about Kadri and Marchment so I am used to the I told you so. I also liked Dubas when he was here. He is just irrelevant to me as he is no longer a Leaf ( well technically he is but for all intents and purposes he is not).

 

[Menzinger]

Gotta think that would have been very likely and a package of Nylander + would have gotten it done. Of course Tkachuk would have wanted to play with both Matthews and Marner again.
Dubas told Nylander he would never trade him and he was a man of his word.

Eh Huberdeau was a 100 point forward at the time of the trade - I think would carry more trade weight alone than Nylander. I also don't see the Leafs having a D they'd be willing to trade as good or better than Weeger

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Shouldn't a team that's good enough to compete for a championship actually end up competing for a championship at some point after five years?

It's easy, you just blindly run it back without ever considering alternatives while paying pansies top 5 cap hits in the league. Then you complain about a top heavy roster that gets physically manhandled in the playoffs and shows no pushback...and you get to do this year after year.

I see nothing wrong with this.

 

[Stephen]

Sorry, why are we comparing our 9th and onward to primarily top 4 D?

Yeah. Exactly.

If your depth chart pieces aren’t projecting to yield the kind of impact pieces that make a difference don’t talk up what a great system you have.

“We got Joe Colborne, Matt Frattin, Greg McKegg, Brad Ross, Josh Leivo…” same thing.

 

[Stephen]

Shouldn't a team that's good enough to compete for a championship actually end up competing for a championship at some point after five years?

There was always the theory that beating Tampa would or escaping the first round would catapult the Leafs into a Florida style run and they would just play free and full throttle, hit a new playoff level and just storm their way to the cup.

Now that that hope has been dashed, I wonder what people expect out of this team. Are we still hoping to win a title over the next 3-5 years and do everything possible to get there or are we just back to loving our core players a la Reimer, Kessel, Lupul and Phaneuf? Like they’re flawed and hopeless but at least they’re ours.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

Eh Huberdeau was a 100 point forward at the time of the trade - I think would carry more trade weight alone than Nylander. I also don't see the Leafs having a D they'd be willing to trade as good or better than Weeger

Hard to say. it wasn’t a sign and trade coming from Florida, just an upset Huberdeau, no guarantee you were getting more than a year of him. Same thing with Weegar.
Nylander for two years plus a top prospect like Knies or Niemela or maybe even a first seems like a pretty good deal for Tkachuk who absolutely had to be traded.
There was a deal to be had.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

There was always the theory that beating Tampa would or escaping the first round would catapult the Leafs into a Florida style run and they would just play free and full throttle, hit a new playoff level and just storm their way to the cup.

Now that that hope has been dashed, I wonder what people expect out of this team. Are we still hoping to win a title over the next 3-5 years and do everything possible to get there or are we just back to loving our core players a la Reimer, Kessel, Lupul and Phaneuf? Like they’re flawed and hopeless but at least they’re ours.

Yeah I understand the hope, but I wish Dubas didn't run a team back over and over again based on hope. Unfortunately progress isn't linear and just because they won a round this year doesn't mean they have now mastered that first round obstacle and will fly past it with ease. I think they're just going to settle right back in as a pretty good, but not great team. Making the playoffs should be easy, getting past the first round should be a mighty struggle, and doing anything more seems impossible. They need drastic changes and maybe taking a step back would be for the best

 

[socko]

Hockey is still a game won by warriors in the playoffs. And Morgan Rielly is the only highly paid player on Toronto who has any business getting called a playoff warrior.

 

[Amadeus]

Hockey is still a game won by warriors in the playoffs. And Morgan Rielly is the only highly paid player on Toronto who has any business getting called a playoff warrior.

Peter Horacek would have been proud as his give a **** meter really increased in the post season.

 

[trellaine201]

Now on your TV “Dubas decision” ala Lebron James having his own TV segment to announce his intentions.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Shouldn't a team that's good enough to compete for a championship actually end up competing for a championship at some point after five years?

No, because the refs always cheat us and the $40 million of unstoppable scorers always get GoALiEd.

 

[andora]

I’m with you 100% It just kills me to see 2 upstart teams have so much success and us supposedly loaded with these awesome talented players and we flail and flounder in the playoffs year after year, lame excuse after lame excuse.
The next nightmare scenario that’s going to happen is when Dubas has success at his new team because he doesn’t have the nightmare team makeup that he has saddled us with. He will get a fresh start whil we flounder trying to fix his colossal screw ups

When have we ever had an oleksiak though.. or a mcnabb.. that just eat up minutes. Muzzin kinda but he was just too much of a focal point..

These guys i mention can be hidden on any pair and just eat up minutes game after game.. and they can turn games with their ability to destroy people

 

[Antropovsky]

Yes, I'm sure it's a coincidence that the Leafs just happen to get the exact same results against these goalies as the other teams that play them on their run to the cup finals. It couldn't possibly be that the goalies we've faced are among the best goalies in the world, with awards piling a mile high, and proven potential to hit peaks like this, going through undeniably dominant stretches by every metric and eye test. Surely we saw success against Vasilevsky this year and decided no more of that and stopped working. Boston and Carolina, the top two teams in the league this year, also clearly don't like working.

Bergeron injured himself in the Montreal season final, he had a herniated disc. Krecji was also injured. Both missed playoff time and tried to play injured.

Carolina was missing Svechnikov. Outside of that they are a well coached team with a roster than doesn't exactly belong in the conference finals.

Leafs were healthy, with a young team, with elite players in their prime and unlike Boston who took Florida to 7.... Leafs only ma aged 1 win.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Leafs 2nd round recap:

Auston Matthews - 0 goals, $11.64m
John Tavares - 0 goals, $11m
Mitch Marner - 1 goal, $10.9m

Combined 1 goal, $33.5m in cap space
You don't deserve to win if your best players don't show up.

Tell em Gretz:

 

[rumman]

Giordano might be one of those guys the new GM moves or asks to see if he wants to retire.

Soap factory fodder……..

 

[rumman]

Hockey is still a game won by warriors in the playoffs. And Morgan Rielly is the only highly paid player on Toronto who has any business getting called a playoff warrior.

This year yes, previous years not so much, hopefully he’s trending upwards……..

Leafs 2nd round recap:

Auston Matthews - 0 goals, $11.64m
John Tavares - 0 goals, $11m
Mitch Marner - 1 goal, $10.9m

Combined 1 goal, $33.5m in cap space
You don't deserve to win if your best players don't show up.

Tell em Gretz:

The great one calls it as it is……….priceless……..

 

[Larcos_Unal]

This year yes, previous years not so much, hopefully he’s trending upwards……..


The great one calls it as it is……….priceless……..

Sponsorship hits hard now

 

[Bomber0104]

Ok, someone needs to tell Wayne Gretzky (what does he know!) that our stars didn't go missing "on milk cartons", they just "convert badly" when the games matter.

There's a difference!!!

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Ok, someone needs to tell Wayne Gretzky that our stars didn't go "missing on milk cartons", they just convert badly.

The legend of D4Ds grows by the minute

 

[Stephen]

Sponsorship hits hard now

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I kinda like the Milk ad to be honest.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I kinda like the Milk ad to be honest.

It's a clean, classic logo.
It's also what the core 4 do to our cap.