Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[GoonieFace]

No, this story is becoming a game of telephone.

By Tomorrow it will be that Dubas owns Wasserman and personally represents Matthews.

Than Dubas is Matthews

 

[Eye Test]

It doesn’t work because none of them are willing to forecheck, go to the dirty places on the ice, or take the puck hard to the net.

They are all perimeter players for the most part.

Switching out a couple of them, for a couple of power forwards with grit would transform the team completely.

I’d probably keep Matthews and Tavares as a one two punch down the middle and flip Marner and Nylander out for some grittier wingers who can play with some jam.

Marner at center with a couple of grittier forwards on his wing might also work as well.

Agree besides marner at Center. His wrist would snap first draw.

Trade marner and only trade 88 if he asks crazy on his next deal.

 

[egd27]

Can we stop this "4 forwards signed at half the cap screwed us" BS? When they signed, the expectation was the cap would rise and in 2 to 3 years those contracts would be standard rate for stars. Then this little thing called COVID... remember that..happened. NOBODY could have predicted something like that.

Yea, and adjusting or changing the plan would have been far too difficult.

 

[Stephen]

By Tomorrow it will be that Dubas owns Wasserman and personally represents Matthews.

The way things are going, you never know.

 

[Dekes For Days]

$11.634x5 based on this??

No, 11.634m x 5 years (a contract consistent with the history of post-ELC contracts) based on his pre-signing period, which was one of the best in the entire cap era.

No wonder the Marner camp argued Marner was worth the money Matthews got.

Marner argued he was worth the money that a number of different comparables got, and he was right.

It wouldn't be so bad if the two delivered something when the games count.

They deliver a lot when the games count.

 

[egd27]

So after listening to and reading a number of pro-Dubas podcasts and articles I'm hoping some of those that felt Dubas was a great GM can help me understand something.

It seems that Dubas has been treated unfairly as all of his decisions and moves had to be approved by Shanahan and thus, Dubas lacked the autonomy to perform the GM job properly. So does that mean it was Shanahan behind all of these moves that you guys defended as brilliant and Dubas was GM in name only?

 

[KPower]

Terrible contracts given to Marner and Matthews.

Have fun in Pittsburgh Kyle, you’ll be 60 when they’re contenders again. Their cupboard is bare.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Agree besides marner at Center. His wrist would snap first draw.

Trade marner and only trade 88 if he asks crazy on his next deal.

Imagine flipping out Marner at 10.9 million for Matthew Tkachuk with a 9.5M cap hit or a player of similar style. You stick Tkachuk on Matthews wing. I’ll bet Matthews suddenly develops a bit more of a nasty edge. You put Knies on Tavares wing and then get a couple of mid tier power forwards for the other wings.

The top two lines would be completely transformed.

The third and fourth lines could be a mix of veterans, role players and up and coming prospects from the Marlies.

Nylander you trade for cap space and some assets so you can strengthen the defence and goaltending.

With the cap space freed up we can sign UFA’s we need to bolster holes and then we stop trading away all our draft picks at the trade deadline and we start rebuilding our prospect pool back up along with the Marlies.

 

[Squiffy]

I wouldn’t give NMC. Re-sign them now instead of losing them for nothing but with a 10 team NTC. That’s plenty.

Hell, 20 team NTC is fine too. But I honestly don't see it, at least initially. NMC's are par for the course largely.. I'd be looking at not fussing over NMC's until the last 2 years of the contract, then you want the 10 team NTC's instead on NMC. I'd really want to lean in to that.. if that's a no go then you're giving me a haircut on AAV to get it.

Really, there is a very reasonable contract in that group, a UFA contract, and 2 projection contracts.

You know I'd say they mostly earn it, until the post-season begins.

Certainly, is on the high side, but I don't think anyone expected they'd be so brutal in the post-season.

COVID and stage fright.

I mean it's a fair point. The cap should easily have been expected to conservatively be 10 million higher by now, that's a top 2 Dman and a 7.5 million goalie instead of a 4.5 Murray.

Oh well.

This is also why I wanna get to the bottom of this Wasserman-Dubas-Matthews thing.

Did Matthews get overpaid cause of Tavares creating a bad internal cap example or was Dubie doing his childhood friend who owns Wasserman a favor by giving Matthews the most player-friendly contract in the league?

Not sure I agree on Matthews, but Marner sure got overpaid on bad internal cap example. I mean he's terrific, but he's not Matthews RFA or Tavares UFA contract worthy at that point, he got overpaid.

 

[Squiffy]

So after listening to and reading a number of pro-Dubas podcasts and articles I'm hoping some of those that felt Dubas was a great GM can help me understand something.

It seems that Dubas has been treated unfairly as all of his decisions and moves had to be approved by Shanahan and thus, Dubas lacked the autonomy to perform the GM job properly. So does that mean it was Shanahan behind all of these moves that you guys defended as brilliant and Dubas was GM in name only?

Don't believe it at all. Major decisions, like trading Kadri, signing a 5 million plus contract with someone, those types of things, 100% you are talking to the president and getting the ok from him. Normal.

Signing Timmins to 1.1 for 2? That's a heads up Shanny text message.

5 years, one playoff win, you get fired.. normal. All the rest is noise. You can make the case for running him back, time will tell, but GM fired after 5 spectacular playoff failures in a row? Ya, it's pro sports.

 

[egd27]

Don't believe it at all. Major decisions, like trading Kadri, signing a 5 million plus contract with someone, those types of things, 100% you are talking to the president and getting the ok from him. Normal.

Signing Timmins to 1.1 for 2? That's a heads up Shanny text message.

5 years, one playoff win, you get fired.. normal. All the rest is noise. You can make the case for running him back, time will tell, but GM fired after 5 spectacular playoff failures in a row? Ya, it's pro sports.

So Dubas wasn't really neutered but just following typical corporate governance and Shanahan isn't a micromanaging egomaniac?

 

[Squiffy]

So Dubas wasn't really neutered but just following typical corporate governance and Shanahan isn't a micromanaging egomaniac?

That's my opinion, but like I say all the time, I am wrong all the time, ask my wife.

 

[egd27]

That's my opinion, but like I say all the time, I am wrong all the time, ask my wife.

You're not this time.

Just more excuses from the Dubas. Never heard a peep about interference for 5 years, but the minute he makes a play for more control and strikes out, it's all about how his hands have been tied.

 

[Squiffy]

You're not this time.

Just more excuses from the Dubas. Never heard a peep about interference for 5 years, but the minute he makes a play for more control and strikes out, it's all about how his hands have been tied.

Frankly I don't attribute these stories to Dubas directly, although I don't spend a lot of time thinking about it. No way, I'd think, he's said a damn word, he has lots of career left it would seem in the NHL, it's too small a circle to go shooting your mouth off about the Leafs. What feelings hurt dummy they are getting that from I don't know, but honestly doubt Dubas himself.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

You're not this time.

Just more excuses from the Dubas. Never heard a peep about interference for 5 years, but the minute he makes a play for more control and strikes out, it's all about how his hands have been tied.

He struck out at the contract negotiating table just like his team struck out every playoffs.

 

[ULF_55]

So Dubas wasn't really neutered but just following typical corporate governance and Shanahan isn't a micromanaging egomaniac?

Both could be true.

As long as both agree there is no micromanaging ... when there is disagreement ...

If the path to changing the coach was changing the GM, no complaints here.

 

[Squiffy]

Both could be true.

As long as both agree there is no micromanaging ... when there is disagreement ...

If the path to changing the coach was changing the GM, no complaints here.

I think I am honestly more interested in the next coach question then next GM question. New GM has lots on table, but it is fairly defined. Don't envy it, but there is mostly black and white decisions, most of which will have already been decided by the guys first day on the job.

New coach? Now that is nuanced. What gets these guys going better in the playoffs? This is the ultimate question, and it's mostly for the coach, assuming we're not tearing it all down, which I really doubt.

 

[DarkKnight]

Obviously his hands were tied, look how many former Soo Greyhound connections slipped through our fingers?

 

[saffronleaf]

bring back goobas

 

[Divine]

Kyle Dubas reportedly missed out on acquiring a ''big name, high-end defenseman'' due to Leafs' approval process

Dubas reportedly missed out on acquiring a star defenseman last season because of approval timelines within MLSE; find out more here

www.mapleleafsinsider.com

When the agent called Shanahan and told him that Dubas was indeed all in and shared a new financial structure I am told that the ask had gone from the $4m range to $6m over five years. I am not sure if the addition of the use of a private jet was originally part of the offer or added in later but it was definitely part of the package MLSE offered him and seen as a way to alleviate some of the travel and stress.

Kyle Dubas, the GM who took a playoff team and traded away five 1st round picks for 1 second round game won in 5 years wanted to be the highest paid GM in the league with access to a private jet for his troubles.

Talk about delusional. I guarantee you Pittsburgh is offering him less money and less benefits and he has no choice. Talk about fumbling the bag, he's not as smart as he thinks he is. He lost out on his most competitive offer because he was trying to make them negotiate against themselves.

 

[Antropovsky]

$11.634x5 based on this??

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No wonder the Marner camp argued Marner was worth the money Matthews got.

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It wouldn't be so bad if the two delivered something when the games count.

I just checked the percentages, according to moneypuck these were the most minutes among lines:

Once again, my point stands, Marner has a horse shoe up his ass in terms of linemates. 2019 lines:

Hyman Tavares Marner: 810

Marleau Matthews Kapanen: 309
Johnsson Matthews Kapanen:207
Johnsson Matthews Nylander: 173

Lol...even with this crap, Matthews paces 45 goals and 88 points in his 3rd nhl season.

 

[WillTheThrill]

Dubas isn't a Maple Leaf anymore. You are free to follow him wherever he goes.

Tata.

I'm a Maple Leafs fan. Not a Kyle Dubas fan.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I'm a Maple Leafs fan. Not a Kyle Dubas fan.

He is trolling. It is the new shtick brought to you by the same people who started with Dubasite, the imagined a dubas cult and most recently Dubeanon. Same crap different pile.

 

[Racer88]

No, 11.634m x 5 years (a contract consistent with the history of post-ELC contracts) based on his pre-signing period, which was one of the best in the entire cap era.

Marner argued he was worth the money that a number of different comparables got, and he was right.

They deliver a lot when the games count.

Ya they really delivered in the series against Florida

 

[Racer88]

After 216 pages it’s pretty clear that the new GM and coach is going to have their hands full climbing out of the hole Dubas and Keefe have left us in