Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

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That's the trick with fortunetellers, seers, predictors, and the like - thrown out enough vague guesses, and have different people make different predictions, and in most cases people will remember what came true (which guesses were close enought to be called 'right'), and forget about the others.

And with only the people who were 'right' reminding you of their genius (and neglecting to mention all the times they weren't), they come off looking like they actually knew something.
That's how Derren Dreger does it. He always says both sides..."It could be A or could be B....we are not sure yet....too cloudy to tell"....then when B is the answer...he quickly says " I told you it was B"....its all so tiresome.
 

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It was your thought.
You the 1 who said he didn't care...of course he dies. He is glitz without guts. He needs to care and grow a pair.
His basketball style powerplay is cool when you are playing unmotivated teams, but when ice gets tough to find he backs up 10 feet...look at the stats. He needs to be loved...cares what the press says.
 

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That’s what they said on OverDrive, how laughable to think Matthews will decide based on a Dubas being here or not. There is no more chaos here than before Dubas left and if there is uncertainty, that’s on him. 26 years old and Matthews walks to free agency, what a joke, with that money he got.

It was pretty obvious as we recently found out that both Matthews and Dubas are represented by the same agency
 

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I can't wait for him to overpay for all the smallish skilled wingers we have in the system. Shit...I will even gift him Abbruzzese if he takes a bunch of them to wherever he ends up.

I really hope this is the end of the Leafs drafting the prototypical Dubas size. What's that you may ask? Its between 5'9 and 5'11 and between 165lb to 185lb.

Shhhhhh. Don't jinx it.
 

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On arrogance, the fact he actually thought Shanny would be okay with him bringing trades to the Board, it’s just such a blind spot. Guy has no contract and he’s acting like we can’t do without him. Entitlement starts with him.
Maybe it really is possible that Dubas was the root cause of the country club atmosphere in Toronto?
 

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First, as a fan I appreciate the transparency

Second, I would have done the same thing that Shanny did. Why?

- If Shanny doesn't say anything, and says we just decided to move in a different direction

then media asks?

- Why in the different direction? What about Dubas' time as a GM did you not approve? You chose Dubas as a GM; are you admitting that you made a mistake?

- Follow up media queries: -> Dubas said he wants to be a GM here or no where else; are you on purpose not renewing him eventhough he has interest in being a GM here? etcc. etc. etc.

IMO Shanny was a lot more cordial than I would have been with the shit dubas pulled
 

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Please , no logical reasoning beyond this point, only irrational thinking allowed.

Here is a great video for you. Warning: Only logical people should view. :)



Leafs' Players Uneasy After Kyle Dubas Let Go | Kyper and Bourne​



Freakin' good. There should be uneasiness. This isn't a country club. If you don't hold up to your end of the bargain guess what? no reason Leafs should. If you think you are above the logo then gtfo
 

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I thought Dubas was a good GM, but now that he's gone I don't give two shi** about him. I'm a leafs fan first and foremost, we need to focus on our team. People are getting too attached to him. Reading some of his moves, and contracts that his (haters) have posted on here don't paint him out to be anything special. And I'm not gonna miss his trading back of draft picks every year.
 

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You the 1 who said he didn't care...of course he dies. He is glitz without guts. He needs to care and grow a pair.
His basketball style powerplay is cool when you are playing unmotivated teams, but when ice gets tough to find he backs up 10 feet...look at the stats. He needs to be loved...cares what the press says.
sorry where did I say that?
 

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Keefe needs to go.
Of course he does. I wonder what a poll in this section would say right now. We have to be at at least 99% wanting Keefe fired, right?

I'm assuming this is why most people aren't talking about it, because we all want it and we all know what's going to happen so there's no point wasting any breath on it.
 

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Would Kyle Dubas consider joining the Pittsburgh Penguins?

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May 23, 2023

After being let go from the Toronto Maple Leafs, the Pittsburgh Penguins were granted permission to speak to Kyle Dubas. Dave Poulin joins Jay Onrait to discuss if they think Dubas would consider becoming the Penguins GM.
 
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Best case scenario is Dubas to the Pens and the Pens fire Sullivan for Keefe.

Sullivan to the Leafs please.
Sullivan is such a shit coach

He has terrible lineup decisions and fascination to particular grinders

Hes babcock all over again

Pens fans have wanted him gone for a few years. I follow the pens as they are my 2nd favourite team and he really does make keefe look competent at times
 
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Never witnessed such emotional attachment to a corporate suit. Probably the most bizarre thing I've ever seen on this forum.
Early 30s guy with a degree from Brock (a university that isnt super prestigous and crazy to get into so more people can relate), who claimed to promote analytics, intelligence, and diversity/inclusiveness

His fans were living vicariously through him. For some reason, people thought Dubas was an average Joe who got to where he was via hard work and general high IQ and smarts

He may have had some of that but his connection to Soo was his dad who worked for them, and his grandfather who was the coach of Soo in the 60s

He is good at networking and selling himself but he came from a strong base which let him bresk into hockey, an opportunity most of the people on these boards wont ever have
 

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Kyper says Fenway group is hands on while MLSEL is hands off. Enjoy Kyle.

Fenway fired their entire executive staff within 2 years. Dubas is gonna get his ass kicked there.

- he won't be walking into as cozy a situation as he did with the Leafs (105 pt team, plenty of cap space, prospects/picks, etc.)
- he won't get the same financial leeway he got from mlse (ex: firing babcock paying him 25 million dollars to sit at home)
- he won't get the same freedom to hire who he wants (ex: pretty much everyone from soo being here)
- pens compete with steelers, pirates; pens don't make in as much revenue either
- pens' aging core (crosby, malkin, letang) LOL sure kyle

Fenway group is cutthroat business, the bullshit pressers that dubas enjoyed here without being held accountable; Fenway would throw that kinda trash out in a jiffy
 

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This rumour has no validity whatsoever.
I can see Shanahan doing that.
So much for his comment about it’s the Leafs or nothing.
At least we know that you can’t believe much he says
Anyone who thought a hockey lifer like Dubas wouldn't listen to other teams is a sucker.
What is interesting to me is .. If this were a court of law, that statement would be ruled inadmissible as valid evidence, based a the 3rd party hearsay rule.

What is hearsay evidence?​


Objection, Your Honour! Hearsay.” You’ve probably heard it a thousand times in courtroom dramas on TV – the judge then says, “Objection overruled” or “Sustained” and the trial moves on. But do you know what hearsay evidence is, and what it isn’t?

The general rule - All evidence presented in a trial must be “admissible”. The word “admissible” means that the law of evidence will permit the judge to admit it as evidence in the trial and consider it when deciding your case. Hearsay evidence carries with it the risk that the reported statement is not reliable, because it can't be verified, because a 3rd party not directly involved that neither saw, nor heard it first hand themselves has no true account of the situation. Because of the possibility that hearsay evidence is not reliable, this form of evidence is not allowed at trial.

Unless Chris Johnston was on the phone line with Shanny and the players, or in the room when it was said, his opinion outside that scope would be considered conjecture (an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information) and thus Hearsay. Where or what is the factual basis to prove CJ statement as true, or is it simple freedom of speech and his own personal opinion and drawn conclusion on the subject?

If however at and until Shanahan's next PC to announce the Leafs new coach, he personally goes on the record and tells us what he did or didn't say or promise the core 4, everything else said in the media can be believed or not believed at your own risk. :)
Case dismissed.
 

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They had a full family discussion about it.

Fast and Furious films have shown how family is important

oh and also how one can defy gravity and ride muscle cars in space

:laugh:

I honestly think that Dubas has a following just because he is so young. A lot of the youth are struggling in the overall job market..housing market etc. To them...Dubas represents someone of their ilk who can bring their views on everything to the table and his success his their success. There is no other way to explain it other than a poll on here asking the age demographic of people who like Dubas.

its a sham man. No one will give their own position/power to someone else. All the "considerate people" that want the unfortunate folks to have something better would never give up their own possession it is always let "someone else give up their shit"

its hypocrisy at its finest !
 

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The Overdrive guys also didn't think it would have much of an effect.

Quite frankly I think executives from other teams tell media guys these things about the Leafs just to **** with the fanbase and media here. A form of concern trolling by proxy through the media.

What do you think the other executives would say publicly? I mean seriously. Are they gonna publicly come out and say that dubas is a moron?

If lovin' Dubas was wrong, they don't wanna be right...

I wanna find someone who can love me the way dubas fans love him :laugh:
 
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