Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[GardinerTheForward]

Fires employees who make more than him. Shows he makes emotional decisions.

It starts from the top. He has had his run of GMs

 

[Jmo89]

it takes a special kind of scumbag to use his family way he did, shed some crocodile tears, try to knife his boss in the back AND ask for millions more in a last minute power play. A special type of scumbag indeed...........

It's disappointing that Shanahan and MLSE were about to go back to him. Thankfully they got lucky and Dubas revealed his true character a week too early. Shanahan should be on the hot seat for allowing it to go on.

Maybe some of the core can be salvaged from the mercenary attitude their GM taught them.

 

[ToneDog]

I really think if Dubas goes to Pittsburgh he'll do exactly what was just done in Chicago: sell off everyone to fully tank the team. Pittsburgh is a market that can't afford long stretches of bottom feeding. They stop selling tickets when the team stinks. Unlike other times the Penguins faced a downturn, the current ownership is financially stable and presumably not operating off loans.

They are not tanking while Sid and Geno are there.

 

[MCR74]

IF the go the hawks route and trade off assets they can have plenty of space. As it is they will have 37M+ of space on July 1 2024. If Dubas ends up in Pittsburgh I would not be shocked to see Nylander or Matthews follow come July 1 2024

At full price...

 

[Kaladin]

IF the go the hawks route and trade off assets they can have plenty of space. As it is they will have 37M+ of space on July 1 2024. If Dubas ends up in Pittsburgh I would not be shocked to see Nylander or Matthews follow come July 1 2024

They have more than I thought they did to be fair but 20M this year to sign 7 players isn't a lot if 1 of them gets 11.6M, leaving 8.4M for the other 6.

If you look beyond to 2024, they might be able to squeeze in a matthews or marner. But who really is on pittsburgh that toronto would want (For marner)? Also agree with ToneDog, the ownership group there is pretty adamant about keeping sidney, geno and letang together.

 

[Apex Predator]

Fires employees who make more than him. Shows he makes emotional decisions.

It starts from the top. He has had his run of GMs

Has he though?

He Inherited Nonis. Everyone knew he was getting fired.

Lou was a stop gap for when Dubas/Hunter was ready.

Lou Lamoriello not returning as Maple Leafs GM; time for Dubas or Hunter?

Lamoriello is set to move into an advisor role with the Maple Leafs, but will he stay?

nhl.nbcsports.com

When Lamoriello was hired in 2o15, the deal was that he would be the GM for three seasons and then move to an advisor position. Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan said in a statement on Monday that he wouldn’t be altering from that original plan. “I will now focus all of my attention towards making a decision regarding our next general manager,”

It was always the plan as per my link. He was to do 3 years and move to an advisor role.

So technically Dubas was always Shannys first GM for his plan. Now he is moving on to his second GM.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Agreed!

I brought it up before. The proof is in the pudding: -> Marner's NMC kicking in at the same time as Matthews and Nylander's (NTC) "a year earlier btw"; when Dubas' contract is up for negotiation.

Unbelievable.

What a grifter Dubas is.

 

[Hellcat]

It's concerning that the reason why they let him go was because he tried a power move not because he failed to assess his coaches limitations. We were going to go back into the next season with the same gang and if the rumors are true Shanny is now promising the core four they will be back next season. I forget who said it, I think it was Belichick that the biggest two sins of a GM or Coach is falling in love with "your guy" and not being able to acknowledge your mistakes and correcting them quickly. IMO Shanny and Dubas are guilty of both sins.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

In all seriousness, the next Pittsburgh GM's first move in Pittsburgh should be buying out the final 2 years on Crosby's contract then getting Malkin and Letang follow up with waiving their no movements to a desirable destination. The buyout does Crosby a huge favour allowing him to pick his destination and get paid market value for his final years in the league.

Will never happen.

All 3 will retire Penguins.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Sunday offered him contract
Shanny advised him not to do press conference
Monday press conference
I don’t know if i want to be gm
I only want leafs gm
Wont be gm in the league if not leafs
Will step away as nhl gm

Thursday
Agent gives shanahan and board new contract ultimatum
Dubas fired

Yeah, mostly.

 

[I am Canadian]

If he turned on Shanny, as appears likely, he may never work again. Shanny gave him his start as a baby, no one else will trust him.

This comment aging brilliantly.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

SIMMONS: Maple Leafs' Brendan Shanahan should pay attention to Florida Panthers success

The Florida Panthers management has turned the team around while the Maple Leafs seem stuck in the mud.

torontosun.com

Should the Maple Leafs go on and win a Stanley Cup — or maybe more than one — Kyle Dubas will understand what it is to be Dale Tallon.

More than Dubas was with the Maple Leafs, Tallon was the chief architect of three Stanley Cup championship teams with the Chicago Blackhawks. He just wasn’t around with the club to celebrate any of them, to take part in the parades when they won three Cups in a five-year span, ending in 2015.

Tallon was first the director of player personnel when the Blackhawks drafted Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook, goalie Corey Crawford and forward/defenceman Dustin Byfuglien — all huge elements of their semi-dynasty years.

He was general manager when the Hawks hired Joel Quenneville to coach, when Chicago drafted future Hall of Famers Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane, and when the club added championship parts like Marian Hossa, Nick Hjarmalsson, Patrick Sharp, Kris Versteeg and Dave Bolland.
Join the conversation

In fact, just about every player on the first of three title teams in Chicago was acquired in one way or another by Tallon. He just didn’t get the chance to be part of what should have been a life-changing experience for any hockey executive.

Tallon was pushed out by the Blackhawks for a variety of reasons and landed on his feet with the Florida Panthers. Why does any of this matter today? Because Dale Tallon is once again a factor in the Stanley Cup playoffs, even if he has nothing to do with the Panthers anymore.

As GM in Florida, Tallon drafted Sasha Barkov and Aaron Ekblad, he signed Sergei Bobrovsky to a long, large contract as a free agent. In between all that, he drafted Jonathan Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar, Vincent Trocheck, Anton Lundell, Lawson Crouse and Samuel Montembeault. He built the team that mostly won the President’s Trophy a year ago after he had been pushed out as general manager.

This is where the Maple Leafs and president Brendan Shanahan need to be paying attention: When the Panthers went looking for a GM to replace Tallon, they hired Bill Zito from the Columbus Blue Jackets, where he had previously worked in the front office. It wasn’t exactly big news at the time.

Zito was best known for being a player-agent. Among the many he represented were Boston goaltenders Tim Thomas and Tuukka Rask. He hadn’t worked as a GM, except in the American Hockey League, where he ran Columbus’ minor-league club.

The Panthers didn’t have to outbid anybody to hire Zito. His signing was barely news around the hockey world.

Looks like the Leafs need to hire Dale Tallon.

 

[KMNRB]

Will never happen.

All 3 will retire Penguins.

Maybe Dubas is ready to ditch out crazy contracts to UFA Matthews and Nylander as Pens GM

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Dubas quickly getting another GM gig is the best timeline IMO. Worshipers can go follow him at his new location. The family flip flop exposes himself as a disingenuous disloyal character although I doubt cognitive dissonance will allow the cultists to admit it at this time (it will dawn on them later). His ego will not allow him to resist attempting to "own" the next Leafs' GM in transactions. He's at his worst when his personal pride is his motivation. And the closet Dubas loyalists at MLSE will jump ship as soon as they can.

 

[trellaine201]

Sure hope the Leafs don’t allow him to work the draft for the Penguins.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Or perhaps more likely you just hope what he says isn't true? Lots of shooting the messenger is going on in this thread when people see media reports they don't like it seems

Yawn. You're boring. I suspect if CJ's "news" didn't support your point of view your stance would be identical to mine.

You have a nice day now. The Penguin's Board is for you. Enjoy.

I really think if Dubas goes to Pittsburgh he'll do exactly what was just done in Chicago: sell off everyone to fully tank the team. Pittsburgh is a market that can't afford long stretches of bottom feeding. They stop selling tickets when the team stinks. Unlike other times the Penguins faced a downturn, the current ownership is financially stable and presumably not operating off loans.

That's what he HAS to do. It'll be glorious when he doesn't start with a team already on third base.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Mirtle has always been critical of Dubas's decisions on his podcast lol

On what planet?

 

[myleafs]

Bingo.
This was in the works for a while.

Funny as O-dog said as much after the Monday presser with Kyle. He was the only one on the panel who said the only way someone does what Kyle did is if he had something else brewing....looks like he was correct.

What has Shanny done or said that makes you think he has any intention of trading the core four?

I get that the CJ report may be unwanted news. But there's nothing so far than tangibly disproves it.

How do we know Shanny himself didn't directly leak it to CJ for that matter?

Then I want to hear CJ say where he got his information from.

 

[Trapper]

Funny as O-dog said as much after the Monday presser with Kyle. He was the only one on the panel who said the only way someone does what Kyle did is if he had something else brewing....looks like he was correct.


Then I want to hear CJ say where he got his information from.

This is the part I miss about Lou. These guys would have nothing to say. They couldn’t even make up eating a hotdog rumour.

 

[Skullz]

Surprised that we haven't heard more about interviews yet. Can recall only Treliving confirmed?

1. Tulsky.
2. Armstrong

If not that, Gillis, Lombardi, and Treliving are all kinda meh, but much better than Chiarelli or Fletcher or a goon like that.

Friedman keeps mentioning Mellanby. Anyone with insight?

 

[egd27]

IF the go the hawks route and trade off assets they can have plenty of space. As it is they will have 37M+ of space on July 1 2024. If Dubas ends up in Pittsburgh I would not be shocked to see Nylander or Matthews follow come July 1 2024

I have a hard time seeing either 34 or 88 choosing Pittsburgh as their landing place should they go the UFA route. What would be the appeal of Pittsburgh over places like Vegas, New York, Cali, or even one of the FLA teams?

 

[rumman]

I have a hard time seeing either 34 or 88 choosing Pittsburgh as their landing place should they go the UFA route. What would be the appeal of Pittsburgh over places like Vegas, New York, Cali, or even one of the FLA teams?

Or Ottawa, follow your messiah into the wilderness and see how well that works out, bunch of spoiled brats imo……..

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Maybe Dubas is ready to ditch out crazy contracts to UFA Matthews and Nylander as Pens GM

I don’t know if AM or WN are down for a rebuild.

Letang is signed well into his 40s btw, and looked bad this year.

Love the Penguins but they are now just another non-playoff team and far from being a contender, can’t see a superstar like AM signing there even if it means he can bend Doobler over again, unless AM actually has zero interest in ever winning a Cup.

 

[Lightsol]

SIMMONS: Maple Leafs' Brendan Shanahan should pay attention to Florida Panthers success

The Florida Panthers management has turned the team around while the Maple Leafs seem stuck in the mud.

torontosun.com

Should the Maple Leafs go on and win a Stanley Cup — or maybe more than one — Kyle Dubas will understand what it is to be Dale Tallon.

More than Dubas was with the Maple Leafs, Tallon was the chief architect of three Stanley Cup championship teams with the Chicago Blackhawks. He just wasn’t around with the club to celebrate any of them, to take part in the parades when they won three Cups in a five-year span, ending in 2015.

Tallon was first the director of player personnel when the Blackhawks drafted Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook, goalie Corey Crawford and forward/defenceman Dustin Byfuglien — all huge elements of their semi-dynasty years.

He was general manager when the Hawks hired Joel Quenneville to coach, when Chicago drafted future Hall of Famers Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane, and when the club added championship parts like Marian Hossa, Nick Hjarmalsson, Patrick Sharp, Kris Versteeg and Dave Bolland.
Join the conversation

In fact, just about every player on the first of three title teams in Chicago was acquired in one way or another by Tallon. He just didn’t get the chance to be part of what should have been a life-changing experience for any hockey executive.

Tallon was pushed out by the Blackhawks for a variety of reasons and landed on his feet with the Florida Panthers. Why does any of this matter today? Because Dale Tallon is once again a factor in the Stanley Cup playoffs, even if he has nothing to do with the Panthers anymore.

As GM in Florida, Tallon drafted Sasha Barkov and Aaron Ekblad, he signed Sergei Bobrovsky to a long, large contract as a free agent. In between all that, he drafted Jonathan Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar, Vincent Trocheck, Anton Lundell, Lawson Crouse and Samuel Montembeault. He built the team that mostly won the President’s Trophy a year ago after he had been pushed out as general manager.

This is where the Maple Leafs and president Brendan Shanahan need to be paying attention: When the Panthers went looking for a GM to replace Tallon, they hired Bill Zito from the Columbus Blue Jackets, where he had previously worked in the front office. It wasn’t exactly big news at the time.

Zito was best known for being a player-agent. Among the many he represented were Boston goaltenders Tim Thomas and Tuukka Rask. He hadn’t worked as a GM, except in the American Hockey League, where he ran Columbus’ minor-league club.

The Panthers didn’t have to outbid anybody to hire Zito. His signing was barely news around the hockey world.

Two words, Simmons: JIM BENNING. Apparently you forgot all about him in your quest to prop up the Florida Panthers here...

Maybe he will be nice trade us for Marner (and overpay)

Overpay for what? Pittsburgh doesn't have anything remotely worth enough to make a Marner or even a Nylander deal worth it.

 

[egd27]

Looks like the Leafs need to hire Dale Tallon.

LOL......Simmons is really stretching with that comparison


Tallon was general manager when the Hawks hired Joel Quenneville to coach, when Chicago drafted future Hall of Famers Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane, and when the club added championship parts like Marian Hossa, Nick Hjarmalsson, Patrick Sharp, Kris Versteeg and Dave Bolland.

Dubas was general manager when the Leafs hired Sheldon Keefe to coach, when Toronto drafted future Non Hall of Famers Timothy Liljegren and Rasmus Sandin, and when the club added playoff spare parts like Nick Foligno, Wayne Simmonds, Joe Thornton and Erik Gustafsson.