Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

Status
Not open for further replies.

Jmo89

Registered User
Mar 21, 2010
4,599
4,243
there is no "may be" here. He was most definitely the cause of entitled behavior and country club atmosphere

- micky mouse t-shirts
- music at practice
- no accountability
- continuous coddling
- no professionalism
- name on the back more meaning than logo on the front

there are many more stories

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he purposely negotiated soft with Matthews and Marner. Just another perk for his prized possessions.

Never witnessed such emotional attachment to a corporate suit. Probably the most bizarre thing I've ever seen on this forum.

I rarely ever venture there as it's a total cesspool, but it's even worse on Leafs reddit.
 

rocketman588

Registered User
Jan 15, 2021
2,844
2,516
this isn't true anymore for their CPA program its actually competitive (graduated in 13 from WLU and am a CPA)

I mean that's one graduate program im sure their sports administration program is decent as well

But they're everyone's safety school I think I got in 45 mins after applying. They sent confetti in the mail like two weeks later which was nice
 

Squiffy

Victims, rn't we all
Oct 21, 2006
14,013
3,862
Toronto
Yawn. You're boring. I suspect if CJ's "news" didn't support your point of view your stance would be identical to mine.

You have a nice day now. The Penguin's Board is for you. Enjoy.
Is there really some world where Shanny hasn't spoken to his core players after firing the GM, and probably telling them stay cool like Fonzy, everything is ok? It doesn't seem a reach here my friend. Take a step back from the Dubas was fired and I was always right train and think about the statement here.
 

Squiffy

Victims, rn't we all
Oct 21, 2006
14,013
3,862
Toronto
Early 30s guy with a degree from Brock (a university that isnt super prestigous and crazy to get into so more people can relate), who claimed to promote analytics, intelligence, and diversity/inclusiveness

His fans were living vicariously through him. For some reason, people thought Dubas was an average Joe who got to where he was via hard work and general high IQ and smarts

He may have had some of that but his connection to Soo was his dad who worked for them, and his grandfather who was the coach of Soo in the 60s

He is good at networking and selling himself but he came from a strong base which let him bresk into hockey, an opportunity most of the people on these boards wont ever have

What the hell are we talking about here lol.. Brock and why people liked a GM from it? FML.

When do we get to move on here, this thread is ridulous. This is Ballard level hate, the guy might not have been a good GM, whatever, but this is nuts right here. The hate level lacks context. He'd have needed to spend another 20 years very purposefully tanking any hope, as opposed to just not being good at it hypothetically, to warrant this.

He's just a GM getting fired, lets go. Next up, do it good. There is no comparison to the hopelessness of more then half of the last 55 year here. I don't disagree it was time for him to go, but hyper-personal here, I could personally care less if I was right or wrong about what I thought best in general, I don't need to be right in my opinions, they are what they are and I am wrong all the time, ask my wife. Just hope that the damn team gets it right next year, same thought as every year.
 

keonsbitterness

Registered User
Sep 14, 2010
36,707
20,366
south of Steeles
What the hell are we talking about here lol.. Brock and why people liked a GM from it? FML.

When do we get to move on here, this thread is ridulous. This is Ballard level hate, the guy might not have been a good GM, whatever, but this is nuts right here. The hate level lacks context. He'd have needed to spend another 20 years very purposefully tanking any hope, as opposed to just not being good at it hypothetically, to warrant this.

He's just a GM getting fired, lets go. Next up, do it good. There is no comparison to the hopelessness of more then half of the last 55 year here. I don't disagree it was time for him to go, but hyper-personal here, I could personally care less if I was right or wrong about what I thought best in general, I don't need to be right in my opinions, they are what they are and I am wrong all the time, ask my wife. Just hope that the damn team gets it right next year, same thought as every year.
Some believe firing Dubas isn't nearly enough and that he needs to be revealed as something more sinister.
 
Last edited:

MilkofthePoppy

Registered User
Oct 27, 2022
1,084
1,891
there is no "may be" here. He was most definitely the cause of entitled behavior and country club atmosphere

- micky mouse t-shirts
- music at practice
- no accountability
- continuous coddling
- no professionalism
- name on the back more meaning than logo on the front

there are many more stories


What about Marner rocking an Indiana Jones hat after we blew a 3-0 lead over Columbus? These guys are just tone deaf.

What was most insulting about Dubas' presser last Monday was his woe is me attitude. Buddy forgets this country is just transitioning away from a pandemic that caused a tremendous amount of stress and loss on the average joe.

Dubas was nothing more than a smug, entitled, and sociopathic scum sucker. He talks about 'progressivism' and 'acceptance' and 'inclusivity' but he surrounds himself with his Soo buddies and stacks the roster with former Soo players. Every organization deals with this sort of nepotism, but somehow Dubas is immune from criticism.

Slippery politician, hiding behind his wife and children. No wonder our players are easily intimidated. We need a culture change.
 

Squiffy

Victims, rn't we all
Oct 21, 2006
14,013
3,862
Toronto
Sociopathic? Come on. And a hat?

I still don't believe Monday emotion presser was a fake. Not at all. A real reason to wind up moving away by the end of the week, yes. Because it was real, and you can't have the guy back saying not sure if all in.
 

MilkofthePoppy

Registered User
Oct 27, 2022
1,084
1,891
What the hell are we talking about here lol.. Brock and why people liked a GM from it? FML.

When do we get to move on here, this thread is ridulous. This is Ballard level hate, the guy might not have been a good GM, whatever, but this is nuts right here. The hate level lacks context. He'd have needed to spend another 20 years very purposefully tanking any hope, as opposed to just not being good at it hypothetically, to warrant this.

He's just a GM getting fired, lets go. Next up, do it good. There is no comparison to the hopelessness of more then half of the last 55 year here. I don't disagree it was time for him to go, but hyper-personal here, I could personally care less if I was right or wrong about what I thought best in general, I don't need to be right in my opinions, they are what they are and I am wrong all the time, ask my wife. Just hope that the damn team gets it right next year, same thought as every year.

How does it lack context? I have been around in both the private and public sector and Dubas is just another sociopath career ladder climber that uses the current lingo to hide his shortcomings/weaknesses.
 

MilkofthePoppy

Registered User
Oct 27, 2022
1,084
1,891
Sociopathic? Come on. And a hat?

I still don't believe Monday emotion presser was a fake. Not at all. A real reason to wind up moving away by the end of the week, yes. Because it was real, and you can't have the guy back saying not sure if all in.

There was nothing real about it. It was a ploy to get more money out of the organization. Blabbers and cries at the press conference, but suddenly takes the high road on Twitter days later. What a loser.

Onwards.
 

Leaf Fans

Registered User
Sep 29, 2017
21,116
9,180
What the hell are we talking about here lol.. Brock and why people liked a GM from it? FML.

When do we get to move on here, this thread is ridulous. This is Ballard level hate, the guy might not have been a good GM, whatever, but this is nuts right here. The hate level lacks context. He'd have needed to spend another 20 years very purposefully tanking any hope, as opposed to just not being good at it hypothetically, to warrant this.

He's just a GM getting fired, lets go. Next up, do it good. There is no comparison to the hopelessness of more then half of the last 55 year here. I don't disagree it was time for him to go, but hyper-personal here, I could personally care less if I was right or wrong about what I thought best in general, I don't need to be right in my opinions, they are what they are and I am wrong all the time, ask my wife. Just hope that the damn team gets it right next year, same thought as every year.
`Sure, the thread tittle should be changed to the demonize Dubas thread.
 
  • Like
Reactions: saffronleaf

Squiffy

Victims, rn't we all
Oct 21, 2006
14,013
3,862
Toronto
I mean, sociopath is a strong word. I think that's a level that doesn't exist.

Context? Well, context. Even if we presupposition, and I don't hold it to be true, that Dubas was only out for himself, to the detriment of the team, I think that's a huge jump, but which would seem to be the claim, he is still no where close to causing a level of damage that we have previously experienced.

Not to say, at all, that looking to move on is not right. It is. Particularly if you didn't like him. Sure. My point is, the sex cabal in the pizza chamber level... hatred.. it's over the top.

There was nothing real about it. It was a ploy to get more money out of the organization. Blabbers and cries at the press conference, but suddenly takes the high road on Twitter days later. What a loser.

Onwards.
Disagreeing is fine good sir. And so it shall be.
 
  • Like
Reactions: saffronleaf

seventieslord

Student Of The Game
Mar 16, 2006
36,378
7,720
Regina, SK
yep exactly...4 forwards making half the cap doesnt seem like a good idea but if those 4 forwards are Mackinnon, Crosby, Tkachuk and Tkachuk then maybe its not a bad plan but 4 vanilla non confrontational forwards isnt gonna cut it. Whether you like Kyper or not his take on our top 4 guys being the least confrontational players he has ever seen has some validity. Like he says ...in the playoffs its nothing but confrontation that gets more confronting the further you go.
But Matthews is like, "that don't confront me. Long as I get my money next Friday."
 

saffronleaf

Registered User
May 17, 2011
26,392
28,797
Toronto, ON
What the hell are we talking about here lol.. Brock and why people liked a GM from it? FML.

When do we get to move on here, this thread is ridulous. This is Ballard level hate, the guy might not have been a good GM, whatever, but this is nuts right here. The hate level lacks context. He'd have needed to spend another 20 years very purposefully tanking any hope, as opposed to just not being good at it hypothetically, to warrant this.

He's just a GM getting fired, lets go. Next up, do it good. There is no comparison to the hopelessness of more then half of the last 55 year here. I don't disagree it was time for him to go, but hyper-personal here, I could personally care less if I was right or wrong about what I thought best in general, I don't need to be right in my opinions, they are what they are and I am wrong all the time, ask my wife. Just hope that the damn team gets it right next year, same thought as every year.

but the dubas referendum has always been about more than just a GM, but rather has been enmeshed in a broader culture war between younger, more educated, urban fans and older, less educated, rural fans.

the truck nuts crowd has always passionately hated dubas, and it hasn't always been because of job performance.
 

TheDoldrums

Registered User
May 3, 2016
13,042
20,302
Newcastle, Ontario
He may have had some of that but his connection to Soo was his dad who worked for them, and his grandfather who was the coach of Soo in the 60s

He is good at networking and selling himself but he came from a strong base which let him bresk into hockey, an opportunity most of the people on these boards wont ever have

Hope you keep this same energy when we hire Treliving, the son of a billionaire and Tanenbaums buddy
 

Divine

Registered User
Dec 18, 2010
19,320
13,548
As someone who had initially wanted Dubas to come back, my opinion has since soured about him after Shanahan's comments.

This is a guy who had no NHL experience and was hired to the most lucrative NHL team. He was quickly fast tracked to the GM, and was offered resources he would not get in other teams. He was allowed to dump salaries of bad contracts he signed and given the resources to do so. There's not too many NHL teams that would allow a GM to dump a bad contract the same year it was signed and eat millions in salary like the Leafs allowed Dubas, a competitive advantage.

In return, he mortgaged Toronto's future for 1 series win in 5 years. We barely have any draft picks this year, and one first round pick until 2026.

Despite all that, Shanahan was willing to give him the opportunity to grow with the team he lead despite having no success on a team offering him competitive advantages. He takes that opportunity and runs to the media and talks about how hard the job is on his family and tries to leverage his lack of success to a higher pay, whereas by any objective metric he should have been fired.

Dubas obviously doesn't believe in the team he built or he would have wanted to see it through. No other GM's in the league have been given the opportunity, chances and talent he was given from the start and done nothing with it and had the opportunity to continue. He took the first round victory, his only in 5 seasons, after trading the 2023 1st and 2025's 1st in additional to all the 1sts he traded away previously (Marleau, Mrazek, Foligno, etc.) as an opportunity to ask for a raise and be melodramatic on the difficulties of the job?

If what Shanahan said was the case, I 100% support his decision to fire Dubas. Let him try to verbally persuade another team he's the smartest guy in the room because his results do not.

He comes across as an entitled narcissist, the same vibe that Dallas Eakins and Mike Babcock have.
 

Leaf Fans

Registered User
Sep 29, 2017
21,116
9,180
As someone who had initially wanted Dubas to come back, my opinion has since soured about him after Shanahan's comments.

This is a guy who had no NHL experience and was hired to the most lucrative NHL team. He was quickly fast tracked to the GM, and was offered resources he would not get in other teams. He was allowed to dump salaries of bad contracts he signed and given the resources to do so. There's not too many NHL teams that would allow a GM to dump a bad contract the same year it was signed and eat millions in salary like the Leafs allowed Dubas, a competitive advantage.

In return, he mortgaged Toronto's future for 1 series win in 5 years. We barely have any draft picks this year, and one first round pick until 2026.

Despite all that, Shanahan was willing to give him the opportunity to grow with the team he lead despite having no success on a team offering him competitive advantages. He takes that opportunity and runs to the media and talks about how hard the job is on his family and tries to leverage his lack of success to a higher pay, whereas by any objective metric he should have been fired.

Dubas obviously doesn't believe in the team he built or he would have wanted to see it through. No other GM's in the league have been given the opportunity, chances and talent he was given from the start and done nothing with it and had the opportunity to continue. He took the first round victory, his only in 5 seasons, after trading the 2023 1st and 2025's 1st in additional to all the 1sts he traded away previously (Marleau, Mrazek, Foligno, etc.) as an opportunity to ask for a raise and be melodramatic on the difficulties of the job?

If what Shanahan said was the case, I 100% support his decision to fire Dubas. Let him try to verbally persuade another team he's the smartest guy in the room because his results do not.

He comes across as an entitled narcissist, the same vibe that Dallas Eakins and Mike Babcock have.
I wouldn't have minded Dubas back, but he got fired, On to the next guy,
 

Divine

Registered User
Dec 18, 2010
19,320
13,548
I wouldn't have minded Dubas back, but he got fired, On to the next guy,

As a GM who was objectively bad as his job, him getting a raise and asking for even more citing 'family difficulties' irks me.

I assume he wanted to be among, if not, the highest paid GM in the league despite trading away almost every first round pick since he got here and getting one series win with one of the most talented teams in the NHL in his entire 5 year tenure.

It explains why he gets exploited on contracts as well. He wants to be rewarded despite results, which is probably why he was fine rewarding our players despite results.
 

SmoggyTwinkles

Go Leafs Go
Aug 5, 2010
7,329
4,026
Oshawa
www.bing.com
As someone who had initially wanted Dubas to come back, my opinion has since soured about him after Shanahan's comments.

This is a guy who had no NHL experience and was hired to the most lucrative NHL team. He was quickly fast tracked to the GM, and was offered resources he would not get in other teams. He was allowed to dump salaries of bad contracts he signed and given the resources to do so. There's not too many NHL teams that would allow a GM to dump a bad contract the same year it was signed and eat millions in salary like the Leafs allowed Dubas, a competitive advantage.

In return, he mortgaged Toronto's future for 1 series win in 5 years. We barely have any draft picks this year, and one first round pick until 2026.

Despite all that, Shanahan was willing to give him the opportunity to grow with the team he lead despite having no success on a team offering him competitive advantages. He takes that opportunity and runs to the media and talks about how hard the job is on his family and tries to leverage his lack of success to a higher pay, whereas by any objective metric he should have been fired.

Dubas obviously doesn't believe in the team he built or he would have wanted to see it through. No other GM's in the league have been given the opportunity, chances and talent he was given from the start and done nothing with it and had the opportunity to continue. He took the first round victory, his only in 5 seasons, after trading the 2023 1st and 2025's 1st in additional to all the 1sts he traded away previously (Marleau, Mrazek, Foligno, etc.) as an opportunity to ask for a raise and be melodramatic on the difficulties of the job?

If what Shanahan said was the case, I 100% support his decision to fire Dubas. Let him try to verbally persuade another team he's the smartest guy in the room because his results do not.

He comes across as an entitled narcissist, the same vibe that Dallas Eakins and Mike Babcock have.
Dubas literally live in front of camera came out and said "I'm not sure I want to be here"

Shanny pointed to the door.

Simple as that.
 

Divine

Registered User
Dec 18, 2010
19,320
13,548
Dubas literally live in front of camera came out and said "I'm not sure I want to be here"

Shanny pointed to the door.

Simple as that.

In my opinion, it was a negotiating tactic to get what he wanted financially. He was trying to raise his demand by creating the illusion of uncertainty. He knew that the team wanted him back at that point, and was trying to leverage it into.. well, I got to see if my family wants millions of dollars first.

Since he knew Shanahan wanted him back, he was trying to play the media into speculating about Dubas' future, including with other teams or roles, and trying to get Shanahan to offer the raise he wanted to 'sway him' to return despite his lack of success as a GM in the NHL.
 

Leaf Fans

Registered User
Sep 29, 2017
21,116
9,180
As a GM who was objectively bad as his job, him getting a raise and asking for even more citing 'family difficulties' irks me.

I assume he wanted to be among, if not, the highest paid GM in the league despite trading away almost every first round pick since he got here and getting one series win with one of the most talented teams in the NHL in his entire 5 year tenure.

It explains why he gets exploited on contracts as well. He wants to be rewarded despite results, which is probably why he was fine rewarding our players despite results.
I don't agree with your assessment. I think he did a pretty good job. I also have no problem with him thinking about his family. I also don't assume anything. I don't wish him ill. He his just irrelevant to me - he is not working for the Leafs ( well he is, but for all intents and purposes, he has been fired).
 
  • Like
Reactions: leafs in five

Divine

Registered User
Dec 18, 2010
19,320
13,548
I don't agree with your assessment. I think he did a pretty good job. I also have no problem with him thinking about his family. I also don't assume anything. I don't wish him ill. He his just irrelevant to me - he is not working for the Leafs ( well he is, but for all intents and purposes, he has been fired).

A pretty good job in what aspect?

He became the GM of a young team who was making the playoffs every season and traded away 5 1st round picks for one first round victory. I think any GM in the league could have the same success as he did, if not more, in the same circumstances.

To me, that's an objectively horrible job.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad