Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[myleafs]

You can't disprove a negative .. So there would be NO evidence of something he didn't say or didn't happen. Only Shanahan and the core 4 players would be in the loop and know exactly what was said on a private conversation. They would be the only people that could prove or disprove that statement. Not hearing them directly claim its true is not evidence it happened either.

I'm not suggesting one of the core 4 would/should be traded, I'm questioning the validity of a statement made by someone in the media with no evidence that wasn't there nor directly involved.

Suggesting that Shanny himself leaked it to prove CJ statement as true, would simply be more unproven speculation on top of other speculation that again couldn't be disproven if it never happened. In fact you know yourself you just made that possibility up as plausable, without any proof it actually happened, and now asking me for assistance to prove it.

The only person in fact that I personally heard that has ever hinted at the potential of 1 of the core 4 being moved was Dubas himself at his own PC.. When asked directly by CJ himself nonetheless, Kyle said "All options are on the table". Thousands of Leaf fans that turned into the press conference can confirm that.

Here is that proof that my last statement is true.

Maple Leafs' Auston Matthews, Kyle Dubas express desire to remain in Toronto

If Dubas remains as the general manager, all options are on the table, including trading a member of the Core Four which includes Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, John Tavares and William Nylander. Dubas cited the Matthew Tkachuk-Jonathan Huberdeau blockbuster trade from last summer as a precedent.

“I would consider anything with our group here that would allow us a better chance to win the Stanley Cup. So I would take nothing off the table at all. And I think everything would have to be considered with regards to anything to do with the Leafs.”

Maple Leafs' Auston Matthews, Kyle Dubas express desire to remain in Toronto

Everything you need to know from the Maple Leafs end-of-season media availabilities.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Perhaps it was the Kyle Dubas news that was unwanted, and his removal that has secured the core 4 future? If you wanted the core 4 to remain then Dubas removal should come as good news.

It wasn't the Dubas firing that sent the core 4 players speculating about their Leafs long term futures, it was what Kyle actually did say during his press conference that lite that fuse. When Shanahan heard Dubas go public with that news, he fired Kyle and then called the players himself directly to reassure them the organization is not actively looking to trade them. Or at least that is what CJ is claiming Shanny told them in private. What Shanny actually said I can't prove as factual, you would have to trust Chris Johnston on that one.

Couldn't have said it any better...

 

[PromisedLand]

Maybe it really is possible that Dubas was the root cause of the country club atmosphere in Toronto?

there is no "may be" here. He was most definitely the cause of entitled behavior and country club atmosphere

- micky mouse t-shirts
- music at practice
- no accountability
- continuous coddling
- no professionalism
- name on the back more meaning than logo on the front

there are many more stories

 

[The Masters]

Lol Friedman pretty much confirmed he talks directly to shanny and dubas and that story about knies/hagel deal - he got texts from them saying wtf is kevin weekes saying Lol clean it up ... so he had to go on tv to rectify

 

[PromisedLand]

Of course he does. I wonder what a poll in this section would say right now. We have to be at at least 99% wanting Keefe fired, right?

I'm assuming this is why most people aren't talking about it, because we all want it and we all know what's going to happen so there's no point wasting any breath on it.

I mean the poll I put up before the playoffs was pretty telling

Do you trust Keefe as a coach in the playoffs?

Simple question: Do you have faith in Keefe as a coach in the playoffs. Yay or Nay or Other (explain)

forums.hfboards.com

 

[myleafs]

Fenway fired their entire executive staff within 2 years. Dubas is gonna get his ass kicked there.

- he won't be walking into as cozy a situation as he did with the Leafs (105 pt team, plenty of cap space, prospects/picks, etc.)
- he won't get the same financial leeway he got from mlse (ex: firing babcock paying him 25 million dollars to sit at home)
- he won't get the same freedom to hire who he wants (ex: pretty much everyone from soo being here)
- pens compete with steelers, pirates; pens don't make in as much revenue either
- pens' aging core (crosby, malkin, letang) LOL sure kyle

Fenway group is cutthroat business, the bullshit pressers that dubas enjoyed here without being held accountable; Fenway would throw that kinda trash out in a jiffy

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I honestly think that Dubas has a following just because he is so young. A lot of the youth are struggling in the overall job market..housing market etc. To them...Dubas represents someone of their ilk who can bring their views on everything to the table and his success his their success. There is no other way to explain it other than a poll on here asking the age demographic of people who like Dubas.

Then they are f***ing full of crap.

Dubas has shown more selfishness and arrogance than many of the "boomer" GMs in the league, if not most of them (to say nothing of his spineless negotiation tactic recently.) I don't care if i like a GM or if they have the same views as me, I'm not a f***ing moron that views a GM as a damn friend. I want them to do their goddamned job as well as they can and nothing more.

In my years following this team I've never seen a GM with an actual damn cult of personality before like this, not even Burke spawned this kind of obsession (except to himself.) It's sad, pathetic and embarrassing, and I'm a goddamned millennial (technically) saying all of this.

Sorry about the rant, not directed at you.

 

[Racer88]

I can see Shanahan doing that.

Anyone who thought a hockey lifer like Dubas wouldn't listen to other teams is a sucker.

Case dismissed.

Sucker as they may be it still doesn’t absolve Dubas from having no integrity in his spoken word

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Leafs should be doing what Panthers are doing. Dubas built team poorly around Matthews. Bunch of soft losers and horrible defence

 

[Maplebeasts]

I can't wait for him to overpay for all the smallish skilled wingers we have in the system. Shit...I will even gift him Abbruzzese if he takes a bunch of them to wherever he ends up.

I really hope this is the end of the Leafs drafting the prototypical Dubas size. What's that you may ask? Its between 5'9 and 5'11 and between 165lb to 185lb.

We’ve been drafting late. When you’re drafting in the back half of the first and onwards you either get talent or you get size. Very rarely are guys with both available at that position. Better to draft for skill and then trade for size when you need it then draft talentless fridges who bust and have no trade value.

 

[seventieslord]

I mean the poll I put up before the playoffs was pretty telling

Do you trust Keefe as a coach in the playoffs?

Simple question: Do you have faith in Keefe as a coach in the playoffs. Yay or Nay or Other (explain)

forums.hfboards.com

Lol

That's only a baseline. Suffice to say, everybody who voted that they don't trust him, want him fired right now, and some percentage of the rest also do as well, although I don't really know how many of them

You mean All For Nothing.

This post was worth so much more than just a like or love.

 

[Cleetus]

Well that is just all kinds of Kevin Bacon.

 

[hamzarocks]

We’ve been drafting late. When you’re drafting in the back half of the first and onwards you either get talent or you get size. Very rarely are guys with both available at that position. Better to draft for skill and then trade for size when you need it then draft talentless fridges who bust and have no trade value.

A lot of our small hobbit picks have no value too

Voit (maybe a little value, will have to produce well in the AHL), SDA, Abruzzese, Miettinen, Joe Miller, Abramov (we saw he had no value and was a contract dump at the deadline deal)

Robertson had high value but has since trended down after struggles at the NHL level and injuries

Prospects with high value for the leafs

Knies (10th to 15th pick in this draft)
Hirvonen (probably worth an early 3rd or late 2nd)
Minten (worth a mid 2nd)
Grebenkin (hard to gauge worth but had a great season in the KHL so should be an early 3rd or late 2nd range with room to improve)
Moldenhauer (worth probably a mid 3rd)

1 guy there is 5'9, 1 5'10, and three are 6'1 or bigger

 

[Mitch nylander]

Leafs should be doing what Panthers are doing. Dubas built team poorly around Matthews. Bunch of soft losers and horrible defence

Where are we gonna find ourselves a Bobrovsky to bail us out almost every playoff game?

 

[keonsbitterness]

Sucker as they may be it still doesn’t absolve Dubas from having no integrity in his spoken word

Like when the Raptors GM made it public he would definitely not trade his star player, then traded him days later.

These guys all break their word when it suits them to do so.

 

[PromisedLand]

You can't disprove a negative .. So there would be NO evidence of something he didn't say or didn't happen. Only Shanahan and the core 4 players would be in the loop and know exactly what was said on a private conversation. They would be the only people that could prove or disprove that statement. Not hearing them directly claim its true is not evidence it happened either.

I'm not suggesting one of the core 4 would/should be traded, I'm questioning the validity of a statement made by someone in the media with no evidence that wasn't there nor directly involved.

Suggesting that Shanny himself leaked it to prove CJ statement as true, would simply be more unproven speculation on top of other speculation that again couldn't be disproven if it never happened. In fact you know yourself you just made that possibility up as plausable, without any proof it actually happened, and now asking me for assistance to prove it.

The only person in fact that I personally heard that has ever hinted at the potential of 1 of the core 4 being moved was Dubas himself at his own PC.. When asked directly by CJ himself nonetheless, Kyle said "All options are on the table". Thousands of Leaf fans that turned into the press conference can confirm that.

Here is that proof that my last statement is true.

Maple Leafs' Auston Matthews, Kyle Dubas express desire to remain in Toronto

If Dubas remains as the general manager, all options are on the table, including trading a member of the Core Four which includes Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, John Tavares and William Nylander. Dubas cited the Matthew Tkachuk-Jonathan Huberdeau blockbuster trade from last summer as a precedent.

“I would consider anything with our group here that would allow us a better chance to win the Stanley Cup. So I would take nothing off the table at all. And I think everything would have to be considered with regards to anything to do with the Leafs.”

Maple Leafs' Auston Matthews, Kyle Dubas express desire to remain in Toronto

Everything you need to know from the Maple Leafs end-of-season media availabilities.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Perhaps it was the Kyle Dubas news that was unwanted, and his removal that has secured the core 4 future? If you wanted the core 4 to remain then Dubas removal should come as good news.

It wasn't the Dubas firing that sent the core 4 players speculating about their Leafs long term futures, it was what Kyle actually did say during his press conference that lite that fuse. When Shanahan heard Dubas go public with that news, he fired Kyle and then called the players himself directly to reassure them the organization is not actively looking to trade them. Or at least that is what CJ is claiming Shanny told them in private. What Shanny actually said I can't prove as factual, you would have to trust Chris Johnston on that one.

DAMN!

Mess ain't messing around peeps

 

[Maplebeasts]

A lot of our small hobbit picks have no value too

Voit (maybe a little value, will have to produce well in the AHL), SDA, Abruzzese, Miettinen, Joe Miller, Abramov (we saw he had no value and was a contract dump at the deadline deal)

Robertson had high value but has since trended down after struggles at the NHL level and injuries

Prospects with high value for the leafs

Knies (10th to 15th pick in this draft)
Hirvonen (probably worth an early 3rd or late 2nd)
Minten (worth a mid 2nd)
Grebenkin (hard to gauge worth but had a great season in the KHL so should be an early 3rd or late 2nd range with room to improve)
Moldenhauer (worth probably a mid 3rd)

1 guy there is 5'9, 1 5'10, and three are 6'1 or bigger

Now compare what those “hobbits” are with these guys:

Fedor Gordeev
Andrew Nielsen
Eemeli Rasanen
Yegor Korshkov
JD Greenway


I take the smaller guys first every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

 

[seventieslord]

#3 IS 100% WRONG, Kerfoot was Not protected.
#4 and #5 were pretty bad.
#4 though was to give the player a chance, as he couldnt crack our lineup, but, then they played Malgin who shouldnt have been able to crack our lineup either, which made it worse.
#5 was a bad signing even in concept
#6 Murray signing.
letting Anderson walk wasnt bad, Campbell had been outplaying him and earned a chance, then he blew it.

You're definitely right about the goalies. Campbell and Anderson had both fooled everybody, including leafs management and all of us, into believing the Campbell was the better option. Everything that happened over the course of about a 14-month period had demonstrated that. Anybody would have made the same decision.

 

[hamzarocks]

Now compare what those “hobbits” are with these guys:

Fedor Gordeev
Andrew Nielsen
Eemeli Rasanen
Yegor Korshkov
JD Greenway


I take the smaller guys first every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

That is bc the fridges we have moved on from

Those small players will be dumped and playing ECHL/Europe hockey as well as the new GM doesnt see value in keeping former mid round picks who are in the 25-28 range the next few years as we draft other prospects to hope to develop into NHLers

We had a few terrible small sized picks who we have moved on from already as well

Riely Stotts (3rd rounder in 2018, wasnt good enough for professional hockey, was smart and went to get a CAN university education while having tuition paid

Kalle Loopen - extremely unlikely to becime anything similar to Gordeev. He was a 7th while Gordeev a 5th. He had no production in Finnish tier 1 or 2 leagues

Axel Rindell - 6th rounder, 23 years old despite being 2020 pick (double overager) cant produce/work in north america and went back to Sweden

Ovechknikov: 5th rounder who hasnt progressed at all, struggled to priduce in the KHL with limited opportunities. Came to the marlies but cant become a regular there either

Thars not counting how disaspointing Miettinen is being unproductive in NCAA as a 3rd year player. People were expecting breakput production from him the past two years and he struggled to become a prospect of note

Hunter had poor picks for sure, but so has dubas/scouting team. He just has had 5 drafts vs 3 so more picks which will lead to more likely NHLers hopefully

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Chris Johnstone needs to stop photoshopping the thickness of his hair in his clickbait Youtube videos.
He also needs to return home to the Shire.

I hate to see people lose their jobs, but the rumor mongers that follow and report on this team should be given their pink slips.

 

[rocketman588]

That is bc the fridges we have moved on from

Those small players will be dumped and playing ECHL/Europe hockey as well as the new GM doesnt see value in keeping former mid round picks who are in the 25-28 range the next few years as we draft other prospects to hope to develop into NHLers

We had a few terrible small sized picks who we have moved on from already as well

Riely Stotts (3rd rounder in 2018, wasnt good enough for professional hockey, was smart and went to get a CAN university education while having tuition paid

Kalle Loopen - extremely unlikely to becime anything similar to Gordeev. He was a 7th while Gordeev a 5th. He had no production in Finnish tier 1 or 2 leagues

Axel Rindell - 6th rounder, 23 years old despite being 2020 pick (double overager) cant produce/work in north america and went back to Sweden

Ovechknikov: 5th rounder who hasnt progressed at all, struggled to priduce in the KHL with limited opportunities. Came to the marlies but cant become a regular there either

Thars not counting how disaspointing Miettinen is being unproductive in NCAA as a 3rd year player. People were expecting breakput production from him the past two years and he struggled to become a prospect of note

Hunter had poor picks for sure, but so has dubas/scouting team. He just has had 5 drafts vs 3 so more picks which will lead to more likely NHLers hopefully

I'm gonna be honest I really don't give a shit about the size of who we draft

I'm more annoyed that instead of drafting what we consider to be the best player Available we drafted based on some weird equation of what is undervalued and over valued in the draft (usually based on under aged or over aged guys)

If we drafted a million midgets who we had scouted the shit out of I would be way more patient with the drafts

Our best dubas drafts were 2018 (an ohl heavy draft that we scouted everyone in) and knies in 2020 who got drafted partially because of Hardy's relationship to Dubas it looks like.

We have a massive scouting department it was infuriating we didn't seem to use it

 

[Lightsol]

Leafs should be doing what Panthers are doing. Dubas built team poorly around Matthews. Bunch of soft losers and horrible defence

Blow $10 million on a replacement level goalie who was good a few years before that and hope he suddenly decides to relive those days for a single playoff run?

 

[WillNy29]

Early 30s guy with a degree from Brock (a university that isnt super prestigous and crazy to get into so more people can relate), who claimed to promote analytics, intelligence, and diversity/inclusiveness

His fans were living vicariously through him. For some reason, people thought Dubas was an average Joe who got to where he was via hard work and general high IQ and smarts

He may have had some of that but his connection to Soo was his dad who worked for them, and his grandfather who was the coach of Soo in the 60s

He is good at networking and selling himself but he came from a strong base which let him bresk into hockey, an opportunity most of the people on these boards wont ever have

this isn't true anymore for their CPA program its actually competitive (graduated in 13 from WLU and am a CPA)

 

[Maplebeasts]

That is bc the fridges we have moved on from

Those small players will be dumped and playing ECHL/Europe hockey as well as the new GM doesnt see value in keeping former mid round picks who are in the 25-28 range the next few years as we draft other prospects to hope to develop into NHLers

We had a few terrible small sized picks who we have moved on from already as well

Riely Stotts (3rd rounder in 2018, wasnt good enough for professional hockey, was smart and went to get a CAN university education while having tuition paid

Kalle Loopen - extremely unlikely to becime anything similar to Gordeev. He was a 7th while Gordeev a 5th. He had no production in Finnish tier 1 or 2 leagues

Axel Rindell - 6th rounder, 23 years old despite being 2020 pick (double overager) cant produce/work in north america and went back to Sweden

Ovechknikov: 5th rounder who hasnt progressed at all, struggled to priduce in the KHL with limited opportunities. Came to the marlies but cant become a regular there either

Thars not counting how disaspointing Miettinen is being unproductive in NCAA as a 3rd year player. People were expecting breakput production from him the past two years and he struggled to become a prospect of note

Hunter had poor picks for sure, but so has dubas/scouting team. He just has had 5 drafts vs 3 so more picks which will lead to more likely NHLers hopefully

The problem is I can not recall a single guy we drafted with size and iffy talent panning out. The Robertsons, Voits, Niemelas might not work out but they have been a lot more promising at the pro level.

 

[ToneDog]

The problem is I can not recall a single guy we drafted with size and iffy talent panning out. The Robertsons, Voits, Niemelas might not work out but they have been a lot more promising at the pro level.

For all the smaller, skilled players Dubas drafted, it is a 6'3" 210 lb winger that probably goes down as his best pick.

 

[Maplebeasts]

For all the smaller, skilled players Dubas drafted, it is a 6'3" 210 lb winger that probably goes down as his best pick.

Knies is big but nobody thought he was unskilled. He always had great hands in tight and a lethal shot.