Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[WTFMAN99]

Any one of us would have signed Tavares at that time. I can't fault Dubas for that. What I can fault him for is caving in to Matthews' and Marner's contract demands and overpaying them based on potential. Never pay for potential. Award results.

As a fan, I wanted it, I thought the cap would keep going up and we'd be great 1-3C

On the other side of the coin now, 1C Matthews with 1 year left on ELC and 2C Kadri for 4.5M locked in for a few more years....it seems obvious that JT wasn't the right call.

Defense and goaltending were probably the right way to go

He traded all his grit, only to notice in year 5 that you need that.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Nick Kypreos also reports that it is sounding like there will be no “Robidas Island” for Matt Murray next season. Word is that, if Dubas had stayed on as GM, his plan for the goalie was to get him healthy and ready to compete for the net. Murray is owed $4.6 million by the Leafs next season.

 

[hamzarocks]

Hope you keep this same energy when we hire Treliving, the son of a billionaire and Tanenbaums buddy

Hopefully we dont hire him as hes not much different than dubas was

Im on team 3 year rebuild so just need a Lou type GM to break this down and accumulate picks

In 3 years hire the GM you want to compete with

 

[57 Years No Cup]

As a fan, I wanted it, I thought the cap would keep going up and we'd be great 1-3C

On the other side of the coin now, 1C Matthews with 1 year left on ELC and 2C Kadri for 4.5M locked in for a few more years....it seems obvious that JT wasn't the right call.

Defense and goaltending were probably the right way to go

He traded all his grit, only to notice in year 5 that you need that.

Agreed but you know what they say about hindsight.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Nick Kypreos also reports that it is sounding like there will be no “Robidas Island” for Matt Murray next season. Word is that, if Dubas had stayed on as GM, his plan for the goalie was to get him healthy and ready to compete for the net. Murray is owed $4.6 million by the Leafs next season.

Pittsburgh needs a goalie with Jarry walking and if Dubas walks, maybe he will take him back to Pittsburgh for us.

 

[All Mod Cons]

That is bc the fridges we have moved on from

Those small players will be dumped and playing ECHL/Europe hockey as well as the new GM doesnt see value in keeping former mid round picks who are in the 25-28 range the next few years as we draft other prospects to hope to develop into NHLers

We had a few terrible small sized picks who we have moved on from already as well

Riely Stotts (3rd rounder in 2018, wasnt good enough for professional hockey, was smart and went to get a CAN university education while having tuition paid

Kalle Loopen - extremely unlikely to becime anything similar to Gordeev. He was a 7th while Gordeev a 5th. He had no production in Finnish tier 1 or 2 leagues

Axel Rindell - 6th rounder, 23 years old despite being 2020 pick (double overager) cant produce/work in north america and went back to Sweden

Ovechknikov: 5th rounder who hasnt progressed at all, struggled to priduce in the KHL with limited opportunities. Came to the marlies but cant become a regular there either

Thars not counting how disaspointing Miettinen is being unproductive in NCAA as a 3rd year player. People were expecting breakput production from him the past two years and he struggled to become a prospect of note

Hunter had poor picks for sure, but so has dubas/scouting team. He just has had 5 drafts vs 3 so more picks which will lead to more likely NHLers hopefully

Christ, I remember the summer of Ovechknikov and Miettinen. Also remember the hype around Timashov.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Pittsburgh needs a goalie with Jarry walking and if Dubas walks, maybe he will take him back to Pittsburgh for us.

Goalies were always a problem with Dubas

 

[All Mod Cons]

I won't miss him. Just look at the shape the team is in now.

Whoever comes in as GM will have his work cut out, that's for damn sure.

Yeah, he's left the team in an awful mess. Luckily, they can run the draft from a Sports Illustrated magazine this year. I actually think the people who think Kyle has done a good job are just trolling.

I'm Kyle's age and I'm embarrassed about how he's gone about all of this. I promise we are not all like him.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I meant no harm I just hate seeing the Ballard era Leafs crest. I think I meant that you sound like Bill Waters or something, that is probably not fair.

But also that everything is probably more fine than we think as Leafs fans. There is no reason to freak out over Dubas "leaving". Dude got his ass fired trying to play hardball with Shanny.

He got called out on being a chicken shit liar. And so good riddance.

Ah. I see. I'm so used to getting attacked my defenses are high. My bad.

I don't believe the reason they provided for his dismissal for one second. Neither should you. It was fabricated to save face.

If Shanahan said he fired Dubas for performance issues after supporting him all these years it would have sunk them both.

So they concocted this elaborate hoax to convince a gullible public they fired him for waffling over the contract instead.

If I could think of it without having a multi-million dollar highly sought after job on the line, I'm sure these clowns with their legions of game theorists could too.

Because if the story they provided is the truth, then they are both more incompetent than even I've thought.

 

[theTTC]

Dubas was nothing more than a smug, entitled, and sociopathic scum sucker. He talks about 'progressivism' and 'acceptance' and 'inclusivity' but he surrounds himself with his buddies. Every organization deals with this sort of nepotism, but somehow Dubas is immune from criticism.

Slippery politician, hiding behind his wife and children.

^^ this ^^ , now evident and obvious within every societal pillar we used to trust: sports, education, finance, justice systems. Think of every federal or provincial "leader" and this description of selfish sociopath fits. Pro sports has transitioned and it's not going back to what it was even five years ago.

And also, again, do not be naive why betting houses are the major sponsors now.

 

[egd27]

This is all Tanenbaum's fault.

The managerial incompetence displayed by his multi-billion dollar NHL franchise is shocking. How anyone who owns a sports team could watch this all unfold without intervening is beyond me. It's one thing to be incompetent at your job.

Why do you believe he hasn't?

 

[yubbers]

The organization is butchered because Dubas is gone eh?

He was the butcher.

 

[Trapper]

Good luck Kyle “You won’t see me pop up somewhere next week” Dubas.

 

[Apex Predator]

Nick Kypreos also reports that it is sounding like there will be no “Robidas Island” for Matt Murray next season. Word is that, if Dubas had stayed on as GM, his plan for the goalie was to get him healthy and ready to compete for the net. Murray is owed $4.6 million by the Leafs next season.

He dressed for the last playoff game of the season so this whole robidas island idea I didn’t think was possible.

 

[andora]

He dressed for the last playoff game of the season so this whole robidas island idea I didn’t think was possible.

Yep.. until he dressed it was a guilty wishlist item.. now it is reality..

 

[Buds17]

Nick Kypreos also reports that it is sounding like there will be no “Robidas Island” for Matt Murray next season. Word is that, if Dubas had stayed on as GM, his plan for the goalie was to get him healthy and ready to compete for the net. Murray is owed $4.6 million by the Leafs next season.

I wouldn't have expected Murray to go to that place which does not exist. That stated, with Samsonov logging the biggest share of the regular season workload and Woll finishing off the playoffs in net, where's the fit here? Carry three goalies? In any case, I'd very much expect him to be playing elsewhere next season.

 

[egd27]

Nick Kypreos also reports that it is sounding like there will be no “Robidas Island” for Matt Murray next season. Word is that, if Dubas had stayed on as GM, his plan for the goalie was to get him healthy and ready to compete for the net. Murray is owed $4.6 million by the Leafs next season.

And sign Sammy for another $3M while losing Woll to waivers or let Sammy walk as an RFA.

Another great goaltending plan if true.

 

[MCR74]

Yeah, he's left the team in an awful mess. Luckily, they can run the draft from a Sports Illustrated magazine this year. I actually think the people who think Kyle has done a good job are just trolling.

I'm Kyle's age and I'm embarrassed about how he's gone about all of this. I promise we are not all like him.

Had he stayed, I could see him bending over once more for Matthews and Marner, regardless of playoff performance. Honestly, if both of them want big pay days, they can move to Pittsburgh with Kyle.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Why do you believe he hasn't?

Good point.

If he has intervened then I seriously have to question how this guy became a billionaire. Because the incompetence displayed with this team would rival that of management at my own place of employment. The company I work for isn't a multi-billion dollar franchise with all kinds of "geniuses" either.

I mean, let's face, I work there.

 

[rocketman588]

Nick Kypreos also reports that it is sounding like there will be no “Robidas Island” for Matt Murray next season. Word is that, if Dubas had stayed on as GM, his plan for the goalie was to get him healthy and ready to compete for the net. Murray is owed $4.6 million by the Leafs next season.

Lol imho more and more it looks like Dubas asked for the world because he was running from his problems.

Pittsburgh will most likely not pay him as much as he wanted from the leafs nor give him the autonomy

It does allow him to not have to wear the 3 contracts and Murray/ruin his career because of that

Smart in a way but we're very much deep in the shit because of decisions that he made that we're about to have to pay the cheque for

 

[MCR74]

Any one of us would have signed Tavares at that time. I can't fault Dubas for that. What I can fault him for is caving in to Matthews' and Marner's contract demands and overpaying them based on potential. Never pay for potential. Award results.

The domino effect hopefully won't kill us. We can't get out from Tavares' contract, so the new GM will have to be very creative.

 

[egd27]

Good point.

If he has intervened then I seriously have to question how this guy became a billionaire. Because the incompetence displayed with this team would rival that of management at my own place of employment. The company I work for isn't a multi-billion dollar franchise with all kinds of "geniuses" either.

I mean, let's face, I work there.

Ok, let's play this out a bit.

What would you have hoped that he would do that hasn't happened?

 

[CDN24]

At full price...

and then some given Dubas history

 

[horner]

Dale Tallon as gm
He built Chicago and Florida

 

[ACC1224]

Dale Tallon as gm
He built Chicago and Florida

Great golfer but may be getting a little old for the job.
As an advisor, 100%.