Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[mydnyte]

Dale Tallon as gm
He built Chicago and Florida

pref him to Treliving

 

[Mess]

DAMN!

Mess ain't messing around peeps

I was just trying to point out that Dubas fans must be fairly releaved when they heard and apparently believe Chris Johnston reporting (unverified) that Shanny called all the core 4 to tell them (as he claims) the team is not shopping them, and they're likely staying.

Shanny just did them a big favour by firing Dubas, because it was Kyle at his PC that opened the door to dealing 1 of the core 4 answering that question with "all options on the table", "Do anything that would make the team better".. Even referenced the Tkachuk trade to Florida as precedent for such a move from a Toronto perspective as Panthers came off President's trophy regular season and still willing to make a big move.

This is what set the fire of doubt for the core 4 players as their own GM went public., and Shanny decided it be best to put out that fire and concern by calling each of the core 4 directly.

It appears that keeping Dubas and keeping the core 4 together was a "Having your cake and eating it to" moment. Shanahan made that call for them.

 

[Apex Predator]

Hindsight being 20/20 leafs should have not signed Tavares and there big UFA splash should have been Pietroangelo.

 

[Mess]

Great golfer but may be getting a little old for the job.
As an advisor, 100%.

Dale Tallon is currently 72 years old and for reference purposes former Leafs GM Lou Lamoriello is currently 80.

The "Silver Fox" Cliff Fletcher is already on the Leafs management team as an advisor and he is 87 years old.

Tallon could be viewed as bringing in younger blood.

 

[sxvnert]

Any one of us would have signed Tavares at that time. I can't fault Dubas for that.

Not at 11m.

 

[nuck]

Hindsight being 20/20 leafs should have not signed Tavares and there big UFA splash should have been Pietroangelo.

There was a lot of talk like that in 2018. If he had signed for Stamkos money or even $1M more and they had done better with the Big 3 contracts they might have Pietrangelo. If AP was around that same summer maybe but I don't know that Dubas was a balanced lineup guy at the time.

Hindsight is they didn't need to make a big free agent splash, they were in a great place with a great young team but Shanny and Kyle wanted to flex and that was the option out there.

 

[sxvnert]

Nick Kypreos also reports that it is sounding like there will be no “Robidas Island” for Matt Murray next season. Word is that, if Dubas had stayed on as GM, his plan for the goalie was to get him healthy and ready to compete for the net. Murray is owed $4.6 million by the Leafs next season.

Thats why Kyle acquired the Bruins 1st from Wash. Its the same reason why he kept the 2023 1st knowing he would need it to get rid of Mrazek. An all in GM wouldn't have kept those firsts.

 

[nuck]

Not at 11m.

Any GM should have inquired but you don't pay $2.5M more than Tampa did for the same product when you already have two 30g centers. If Kyle and Shanny suspected they were going to get bent over by the RFAs I don't think they do that. Willie $6.5, Marner $8.0 Matty $10.5 makes sense that summer and without the Nylander adventure they may have had a shot. Once they got into the season and Marner and Matthews were off to the races and Nylander was sucking the life out of the GM, things would be different.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Ok, let's play this out a bit.

What would you have hoped that he would do that hasn't happened?

Fire Shanahan to start with.

He should have done that after the Montreal embarassment.

Hire someone competent to manage the front office. I'm sorry, I don't know who that would be off the top of my head. Maybe Lombardi. He led the King's to a couple cups and is toiling away in Philadelphia right now.

My point, which I apologize for not making clear, is that they kept doing nothing. Running it back over and over and over. At some point Tanenbaum should have said "hey guys, this isn't working,ayne we should try something else".

"Or else...."

Instead they waited too long and now the whole edifice is set to collapse.

If they lose Matthews, that's on Tanenbaum for not taking action earlier, before such a pivotal year for the franchise, with so much on the line.

 

[LeafSteel]

Hindsight being 20/20 leafs should have not signed Tavares and there big UFA splash should have been Pietroangelo.

Beyond Dubas' inability to solidify and identify solid goaltending, his unwillingness to bring a true right shot/RHD was maddening.

He honestly was ok with Holl, and felt that he solidified our RHD, so much so that he made moves at expansion draft to keep Holl at any cost?

Goal, RHD, and blind devotion to Keefe to me were constant Dubas blindspots.

 

[yubbers]

Never witnessed such emotional attachment to a corporate suit. Probably the most bizarre thing I've ever seen on this forum.

Muh boomers!

Woke millennials are all about identity politics. They're in a cult.

 

[seventieslord]

I just hope future management teams finally realize the importance of drafting and developing players so that we can be competitive every year. I don't understand the pressure that is on this team. It is unfair and unrealistic. This is a 32 team league and the Stanley Cup is one of the most difficult trophies to win. Consistently drafting and developing talent is our lifeline to eventually breaking through. No more retirement contracts to over the hill veterans, no more paying draft capital to fix free agent blunders. Oh and make it a priority to develop a top notch goaltender.

What hurts is that we had been drafting and developing a large number of decent players for years (primarily forwards). We had a steady stream of guys ready to step in for about 5 years, only problem is that they very quickly prove their worth as middle sixers, and are traded away before the commensurate salary increase. And the crazy thing is the on-ice product never really suffered, and very few of those guys made us really regret trading them That stream seems to have finally dried up. I think we hope Holmberg and McMann are the next ones, but I'm not sure of it. Now instead of tinkering around the edges with capable youth, were doing it with trades and free agents. Free agents, although they have been acquired at nice low prices, tend to cost more than the next Marlie, and of course in trades we're giving away young players or the picks that could be used to acquire them. The pipeline has been absolutely gutted in the last 5 years, slowly and systematically during our win now window. One could point to The Tavares signing as the prime reason. Without that one contract sucking up so much space, we could be in an alternate universe where three of those guys that we had to trade away are still here in their primes and contributing at a fair salary.

 

[baton elevated]

Not at 11m.

I didn't believe then and I still don't believe today (that some team was offering $13M ) and JT gave the Leafs a home town discount. Hogwash that JT would have been the highest paid player in the league. Bad enough he is in the top 5'ish now.

 

[seventieslord]

I’m thinking Dubas is Renley and Shanny is Stannis, trying to get the throne over the rightful heir. The ghost of Stannis that kills Renley is the analytics he tried to use to negotiate his contract extension with Shanny. Babcock is Davos.

Burke was Robert Baratheon. Nonis is Ned Stark. Lou is Tywin. Fletcher is Maester Pycelle. Marner is Joffrey. Ballard is the Mad King.

How has nobody said nylander is Joffrey yet? I think he even looks like him.

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

but the dubas referendum has always been about more than just a GM, but rather has been enmeshed in a broader culture war between younger, more educated, urban fans and older, less educated, rural fans.

the truck nuts crowd has always passionately hated dubas, and it hasn't always been because of job performance.

Can you see Texas from up there?

 

[hockeywiz542]

Not at 11m.

I didn't believe then and I still don't believe today (that some team was offering $13M ) and JT gave the Leafs a home town discount. Hogwash that JT would have been the highest paid player in the league. Bad enough he is in the top 5'ish now.

 

[rumman]

I won't miss him. Just look at the shape the team is in now.

Whoever comes in as GM will have his work cut out, that's for damn sure.

definately a money pit, looks pretty, but the foundation needs serious work.........

 

[MCR74]

Beyond Dubas' inability to solidify and identify solid goaltending, his unwillingness to bring a true right shot/RHD was maddening.

He honestly was ok with Holl, and felt that he solidified our RHD, so much so that he made moves at expansion draft to keep Holl at any cost?

Goal, RHD, and blind devotion to Keefe to me were constant Dubas blindspots.

Holl would look great in a Penguins jersey. Know what I mean?

 

[rumman]

More than the money ask, I really think it was this idea that he wanted to go to the Board with Shanny to present trades, contracts. I think when the dust settles this end around was when Shanny said get lost. He gave Dubas the best opportunities at every stage and in the end Dubas’ own hubris bit him in the ass.

Shanahan gave the kid his big break, the entitled little weasel tried his best to stab his boss in the back, but Shanahan bested boy wonder's attempt. The old bull put the young steer out to pasture..........

 

[ShaneFalco]

Is there really some world where Shanny hasn't spoken to his core players after firing the GM, and probably telling them stay cool like Fonzy, everything is ok? It doesn't seem a reach here my friend. Take a step back from the Dubas was fired and I was always right train and think about the statement here.

I'm sure he's spoken to them, there's an article saying that he basically told them he wants to keep them all that I don't buy.

 

[ACC1224]

I always assumed it was told by Dubas or Tavares agent to the media.

 

[Cleetus]

Holl would look great in a Penguins jersey. Know what I mean?

I agree, Keefe would also look good behind there Bench lol, Sullivan might look good behind our bench too

 

[seventieslord]

A dumb negotiation ploy but I can't see him making that play, which cost him $20m, if he did not have a deal elsewhere in his back pocket. The Pens window is closing. He may want to tell his wife that there will be pressure to win.


Another Dubasite hoping Dubas does better than the team. Just WOW.

The only way he would have had an offer in his back pocket at that time would be if another team had tampered. Or am I misunderstanding the definition of tampering?

 

[FerrisRox]

I was just trying to point that Dubas fans must be fairly revealed when they heard and apparently believe Chris Johnston reporting (unverified) that Shanny called all the core 4 to tell them (as he claims) the team is not shopping them, and they're likely staying.

Shanny just did them a big favour by firing Dubas, because it was Kyle at his PC that opened the door to dealing 1 of the core 4 answering that question with "all options on the table", "Do anything that would make the team better"

I think, even with the risk of one of them being traded, if given the choice they would all much prefer negotiating their next contact with Kyle Dubas rather than anyone else.

There's a reason Dubas was selected as the favourite General Manager for agents to deal with, and I don't think that's a compliment, at all.

 

[rocketman588]

I agree, Keefe would also look good behind there Bench lol, Sullivan might look good behind our bench too

Crosby will love making 7 drop passes before he enters the zone