Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Martin Skoula]

Lmao dubas gave our core 4 those contracts. Not shanny

"I just see this crop of young players coming into the NHL who have been allowed to play junior hockey and midget hockey with skill. They're coming into the NHL with great hands. They're not getting to the blue line or red line and just dumping it in. Guys like (Jonathan) Toews and (Patrick) Kane and a whole host of others are doing these great things with their sticks.

"I probably didn't have the nerve to do them as a rookie simply because I was afraid of what my teammates would say if it didn't work."

Why is anyone surprised Shanahan is obsessed with skilled forwards? He wanted to be a skill guy himself but thought he’d get bullied for it so he changed the rules over the lockout to prioritize skilled forwards. Dubas got canned as soon as he expressed he’s willing to trade away one of those skilled forwards, luckily Shanny reassured them that they’re safe no matter what.

The contracts are on Dubas, but you’re in for a disappointment if you think Shanahan of all people is someone who’s going to shift course away from soft skill players anytime soon. This Nü-NHL is his life’s work.

 

[rumman]

Fine, but so is assuming it didn't happen. We could argue that either way about anything that we don't factually know to be true, and even then some evidentally lol..

We can only judge for ourselves on the level of likely validity.

On the balance, I don't see why it's unlikely to be true. Shanny stated in his presser that he was calling players. What is the message from Shanny going to be on those calls? "Bud, pull up your pants and brace yourself, because I am f***ing taking a flamethrower to this sucker"? (must be said in angry Al Pacino voice)

I mean of course not, he's gonna call and say we're making a change, the organization still believes in you, I'll keep in touch, feel free to reach out if you want. What else would it be?

Doesn't have to be true but that's what you call and say.

at this point, I'd be happy to see the president pull the knife out of his back and use it to improve the team, regardless of who gets it buried in their back going forward..........

 

[FerrisRox]

'It doesn’t make any sense': Kyle Dubas’ dismissal leaves Maple Leafs staff confused and hurt

There's an overall sense of disillusionment around the Maple Leafs right now according to members of the team's front office.

theathletic.com

Confusion and hurt ripples through Maple Leafs in wake of Kyle Dubas’ dismissal

Anger. Confusion. Shock. Disappointment.

Those are some of the feelings reverberating around the Maple Leafs right now in the aftermath of Kyle Dubas’ firing as general manager last week.

The Athletic reached out to several people who work for the Leafs this week. Anonymity was granted to them as they were not permitted by the team to speak to the media.

This story reflects their feelings at the moment and speaks to a level of disillusionment that team president Brendan Shanahan and the next GM of the Leafs will have to work to unwind.

“I’m in mourning right now,” one person who worked in the front office with Dubas during his time with the Leafs said.

There’s a real sense of loss for staff members. Dubas was their leader and the one who hired many of them. Suddenly, he was gone a week after the season came to an end – and without, in their minds, a satisfactory explanation as to why.

“It doesn’t make any sense,” a Leafs front office member said of the way Dubas was let go. “That’s why it’s disappointing.”

Shanahan went from wanting to bring Dubas back to firing him in a matter of days. And then offered his version of events in a press conference that left people inside the organization confused and upset.

........................

It’s security they have because of Dubas.

Though he wasn’t offered an extension himself, not until after the trade deadline, Dubas fought to extend staff members who entered last season with expiring contracts. He got them extended with one, two, and three-year deals.

At least one staff member was inclined to ride things out with Dubas for an uncertain year. Dubas insisted — take the security, protect your family.

“Don’t worry about me,” he told his people. “I’ll be OK.”

Those close to Dubas insist they liked working for him. Dubas put them first and had clearly grown into his leadership role.

I find it almost impossible to believe that anyone in the Leafs front office could be "surprised" and "confused" by what happened here. How could they possibly be taken by surprise that the GM got fired after yet another underwhelming post season.

This just doesn't make sense.

 

[rumman]

'It doesn’t make any sense': Kyle Dubas’ dismissal leaves Maple Leafs staff confused and hurt

There's an overall sense of disillusionment around the Maple Leafs right now according to members of the team's front office.

theathletic.com

Confusion and hurt ripples through Maple Leafs in wake of Kyle Dubas’ dismissal

Anger. Confusion. Shock. Disappointment.

Those are some of the feelings reverberating around the Maple Leafs right now in the aftermath of Kyle Dubas’ firing as general manager last week.

The Athletic reached out to several people who work for the Leafs this week. Anonymity was granted to them as they were not permitted by the team to speak to the media.

This story reflects their feelings at the moment and speaks to a level of disillusionment that team president Brendan Shanahan and the next GM of the Leafs will have to work to unwind.

“I’m in mourning right now,” one person who worked in the front office with Dubas during his time with the Leafs said.

There’s a real sense of loss for staff members. Dubas was their leader and the one who hired many of them. Suddenly, he was gone a week after the season came to an end – and without, in their minds, a satisfactory explanation as to why.

“It doesn’t make any sense,” a Leafs front office member said of the way Dubas was let go. “That’s why it’s disappointing.”

Shanahan went from wanting to bring Dubas back to firing him in a matter of days. And then offered his version of events in a press conference that left people inside the organization confused and upset.

........................

It’s security they have because of Dubas.

Though he wasn’t offered an extension himself, not until after the trade deadline, Dubas fought to extend staff members who entered last season with expiring contracts. He got them extended with one, two, and three-year deals.

At least one staff member was inclined to ride things out with Dubas for an uncertain year. Dubas insisted — take the security, protect your family.

“Don’t worry about me,” he told his people. “I’ll be OK.”

Those close to Dubas insist they liked working for him. Dubas put them first and had clearly grown into his leadership role.

sounds like MLSE needs to hire a crew of Grief Councillors to help the players/personnel get over their trauma, can you believe this BS, is anyone else tired of everybody being victim of "everything" in today's society??????????

 

[AlienWorkShop]

This place has some belief that Dubas is the McDavid equivalent GM free agent

All I have to say is lol

Well, this thread is about 90% trashing Dubas, soooo...

 

[The Masters]

Good

 

[Squiffy]

sounds like MLSE needs to hire a crew of Grief Councillors to help the players/personnel get over their trauma, can you believe this BS, is anyone else tired of everybody being victim of "everything" in today's society??????????

Maybe just throw open Real Sports with an extended happy hour.

 

[Superstar]

Good

I wonder what Matthews' next contract would have looked like compared to MacKinnon's if Dubas was still around.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

Good

I hope they nail his ass.

 

[rumman]

Good

insider trading/conflict of interest/code of conduct violation ought to look good on the resume Dubbie, why didn't anyone catch this earlier...........

 

[Squiffy]

Reads to me like no technical violation, but... still.. not normal and not really accepted practice.. yes?

Seems like something they now add a clause on going forward.

 

[Menzinger]

I find it almost impossible to believe that anyone in the Leafs front office could be "surprised" and "confused" by what happened here. How could they possibly be taken by surprise that the GM got fired after yet another underwhelming post season.

This just doesn't make sense.

Because the organizational plan was to extend the GM - with a formal extension on the table as late as last week and then there was a last minute shift from Shanahan/Ownership.

Hardly seems impossible that coworkers in the front office were surprised/caught off guard t what happened given that was the case.

 

[rumman]

Reads to me like no technical violation, but... still.. not normal and not really accepted practice.. yes?

Seems like something they now add a clause on going forward.

the "don't be a Dube" clause going forward...............

 

[notdoneyet]

Good

Dubas is a scumbag with no integrity

 

[Gabriel426]

This place has some belief that Dubas is the McDavid equivalent GM free agent

All I have to say is lol

More like Dubas is the AM and MM of the GMs, but who just choked when it matters. Just look at Dubas, he choked when he was about to sign the deal, lol.

For real, Dubas like all GMs made mistakes and made some great moves too. His biggest mistake is betting on the wrong horses.

Also with all the reports about Shanny blocking trades maybe it is the other around, maybe it is Shanny ordering trade and UFA signings like the Kadri trade and JT signing.

 

[Brobust]

Why is anyone surprised Shanahan is obsessed with skilled forwards? He wanted to be a skill guy himself but thought he’d get bullied for it so he changed the rules over the lockout to prioritize skilled forwards. Dubas got canned as soon as he expressed he’s willing to trade away one of those skilled forwards, luckily Shanny reassured them that they’re safe no matter what.

The contracts are on Dubas, but you’re in for a disappointment if you think Shanahan of all people is someone who’s going to shift course away from soft skill players anytime soon. This Nü-NHL is his life’s work.

If Shanahan's idea of the perfect hockey team is 12 forwards who don't hit but can all score 20+ goals. I'd be very, very happy.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Good

Uh oh!

 

[57 Years No Cup]

'It doesn’t make any sense': Kyle Dubas’ dismissal leaves Maple Leafs staff confused and hurt

There's an overall sense of disillusionment around the Maple Leafs right now according to members of the team's front office.

theathletic.com

Confusion and hurt ripples through Maple Leafs in wake of Kyle Dubas’ dismissal

Anger. Confusion. Shock. Disappointment.

Those are some of the feelings reverberating around the Maple Leafs right now in the aftermath of Kyle Dubas’ firing as general manager last week.

The Athletic reached out to several people who work for the Leafs this week. Anonymity was granted to them as they were not permitted by the team to speak to the media.

This story reflects their feelings at the moment and speaks to a level of disillusionment that team president Brendan Shanahan and the next GM of the Leafs will have to work to unwind.

“I’m in mourning right now,” one person who worked in the front office with Dubas during his time with the Leafs said.

There’s a real sense of loss for staff members. Dubas was their leader and the one who hired many of them. Suddenly, he was gone a week after the season came to an end – and without, in their minds, a satisfactory explanation as to why.

“It doesn’t make any sense,” a Leafs front office member said of the way Dubas was let go. “That’s why it’s disappointing.”

Shanahan went from wanting to bring Dubas back to firing him in a matter of days. And then offered his version of events in a press conference that left people inside the organization confused and upset.

........................

It’s security they have because of Dubas.

Though he wasn’t offered an extension himself, not until after the trade deadline, Dubas fought to extend staff members who entered last season with expiring contracts. He got them extended with one, two, and three-year deals.

At least one staff member was inclined to ride things out with Dubas for an uncertain year. Dubas insisted — take the security, protect your family.

“Don’t worry about me,” he told his people. “I’ll be OK.”

Those close to Dubas insist they liked working for him. Dubas put them first and had clearly grown into his leadership role.

So what?

 

[Peasy]

Good

Probably had a quid pro quo deal that if they get him a comfy deal from the Leafs then he'll make sure Matthews is treated extra well

 

[seventieslord]

Sure hope the Leafs don’t allow him to work the draft for the Penguins.

But how do you stop him? I mean actually stop him? Once he's there you have no real idea what his level of involvement is.

Of course one way to stop him would be to simply not extend him, instead of firing him, so he's a leaf through June 30th, but that ship has sailed.

 

[thewave]

Dubas is a scumbag with no integrity

I think he is misunderstood. It suggests so in his new book...

 

[hockeywiz542]

History shows being GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs can be hell

Since 1917, managing Toronto's NHL team has been a challenging job, made harder by dealing with varying personalities above to those below.

torontosun.com

FROM QUINN TO BURKE

Having one man hold two positions, while the Leafs made consistent playoff appearances, limited front office friction for a few years.

That peace ended as the newly created Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Ltd. got antsy about too many dark springs at the Air Canada Centre.

MLSE president Richard Peddie triggered an instant turf war with Quinn when he appointed John Ferguson Jr. as GM, though Quinn would also object to interference by Peddie.

Dumping Ferguson after five years brought Fletcher a brief renaissance, while Peddie and sports lawyer Gordon Kirke were tasked to head a search committee for a new hockey czar. About 30 prominent names, which included Ken Holland, Jim Nill and Doug Wilson were compiled, but Brian Burke was at the top.

Whether or not he pre-approved two of Fletcher’s controversial moves, the hiring of Ron Wilson as head coach and signing of defenceman Jeff Finger for valuable cap dollars, neither shifted the needle on success.

Burke’s successor, Dave Nonis, had intense belief in the 2013 nucleus that featured Phil Kessel, Dion Phaneuf, Nazem Kadri, James van Riemsdyk and James Reimer, despite their epic Game 7 collapse in Boston. He augmented them with David Clarkson, a seven-year $36.75-million signing, but it was a bust.

Incoming president Brendan Shanahan wanted that albatross off the books and though Nonis’ days were numbered, he at least pulled off one of the first big dead-cap dollar trades for the idle Nathan Horton.

THE SHANAPLAN PANNED

Shanahan restructured the hockey department in an unorthodox back-to-front manner, hiring assistants Dubas, Mark Hunter and Brandon Pridham, then $50-million head coach Mike Babcock, before topping it well after the 2015 draft with Lou Lamoriello, his old boss in New Jersey.

When that got too crowded and competitive, Shanahan picked Dubas to go the distance ahead of Lamoriello and Hunter. Buoyed by high draft picks and the bold, but cap-crippling signing of John Tavares, the Leafs and their ‘Core Four’ coupled great regular seasons with playoff collapses.

They did win a round this year and a few days ago, an extension was close that could’ve set the Dubas agenda for years to come. Now they seek the 13th GM since winning their most recent Cup.

 

[WillTheThrill]

It's essentially true, though, that people who know Dubas generally like him a lot, and people who know Shanahan generally dislike him.

So, people aren't happy that the person remaining is the guy nobody likes.

It's a business, if results aren't produced then expect changes. The culture on the corporate side of things seems to match what we've seen on the ice.

 

[Apex Predator]

I find it almost impossible to believe that anyone in the Leafs front office could be "surprised" and "confused" by what happened here. How could they possibly be taken by surprise that the GM got fired after yet another underwhelming post season.

This just doesn't make sense.

Just look at who wrote the article.

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

Just look at who wrote the article.

Seigel and Mirtle are two of the biggest Dubas shills I've ever seen.