ShaneFalco
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Nope and the fact he was going to bring him back for years says a lot
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Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning
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It's to bad he didn't trade for Bennett when he was available.
Always average in the regular season but come the playoffs a different gear
I for one wanted him the same with Gudas
MCR74
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If they discover a serious conflict, it wouldn't be a good look. Not sure if it would keep him from another NHL job, but how many teams would want that around?
The more I read these Dubas sob articles, the more I appreciate Shanahan turfing his ass.
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Bomber0104
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We had a thread discussing acquiring him before his move to Florida.
There were so many horrible takes in there about how he's an AHL player, bust, etc. (from exactly the people you think would say such things) that they literally locked and deleted the thread from existence, likely to save said posters from the humiliation of how wrong they were about the player every time it was bumped during Bennett's breakout season.
Kyle Dubas, Auston Matthews and their agents under review by NHL and NHLPA
Uh oh!
This just in from NHL insider Frank Seravalli, former Toronto Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas is under review for a potential violation in his failed negotiations with the Leafs last week.
Officially Seravalli reports that the NHL is reviewing the relationship between Dubas and his agent at the high-profile Wasserman agency for potential violation of the NHLPA Certified Agent regulations.
Direct wording of the rule in question:
Agents are prohibited from … representing, providing services to, either directly or indirectly, or engaging in or proposing to engage in business ventures with … any officer, employee or independent contractor of an NHL Club, other Professional Hockey Club or Canadian Major Junior Hockey Club or any other entity affiliated with any of the foregoing, including but not limited to coaches, general managers, scouts and locker room personnel.“
Personally, I didn't even know this was a rule and it strikes me as kind of funny. After all, isn't the agent simply working in the best interests of his client? If I'm an agent for Dubas or Matthews, I'm simply trying to get them the best deal possible with no real regards as to how the two affect each other.
In any case, Seravalli reports that the NHL warned teams back in 2022 that these types of dealings will be more strictly enforced moving forward and it looks now like Dubas is the first team employee to be under review. It's unclear what the penalty is for violating this rule and whether or not that penalty will ultimately be made public.
Question how long has he n Dubas and Mathews agent ?
I would presume with Mathews it has been since he signed 5 yrs ago.
I would presume with Mathews it has been since he signed 5 yrs ago.
NHL players agents raise concerns over Kyle Dubas and Auston Matthews represented by same agency | TSN
Multiple player agents have raised concerns with the NHLPA over the fact that former Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas and the team’s star forward Auston Matthews are represented by the same agency, Wasserman Sports, sources tell TSN.
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Multiple player agents have raised concerns with the NHLPA over the fact that former Toronto Maple Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas and the team’s star forward Auston Matthews are represented by the same agency, Wasserman Sports, sources tell TSN.
Dubas is represented by a long-time friend, Chris Armstrong, while Matthews’s primary representation is Judd Moldaver.
An NHLPA source told TSN on Wednesday that he was aware of the allegations, and they were being addressed.
The Los Angeles-based Wasserman’s portfolio is large, and its agents represent players in multiple sports, including football, baseball and basketball. Armstrong is listed on the company website under its golf vertical as an executive vice president, talent and innovation.
The issue in question arises from the certification of NHLPA agents and what they are permitted to do.
Section B’s Item 9 III of the NHLPA’s Regulations Governing Agent Certification - details on prohibited conduct that is subject to discipline - states that agents are prohibited from “representing, providing services to, either directly or indirectly or engaging in or proposing to engage in business ventures with any officer, employee or independent contractor of an NHL Club, other Professional Hockey Club or Canadian Major Junior Hockey Club or any other entity affiliated with any of the foregoing including but not limited to coaches, general managers, scouts and locker room personnel.”
Dubas, 37, was dismissed by the Leafs on May 18 after five years as GM and nine years with the organization.
The 2022 Hart Trophy winner, Matthews is set to enter into the final year of a five-year, $58.195 million deal and will become an unrestricted free agent on July 1, 2024.
I for one am glad that Dubas is done with usKyle Dubas, Auston Matthews and their agents under review by NHL and NHLPA
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This just in from NHL insider Frank Seravalli, former Toronto Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas is under review for a potential violation in his failed negotiations with the Leafs last week.
Officially Seravalli reports that the NHL is reviewing the relationship between Dubas and his agent at the high-profile Wasserman agency for potential violation of the NHLPA Certified Agent regulations.
Direct wording of the rule in question:
Agents are prohibited from … representing, providing services to, either directly or indirectly, or engaging in or proposing to engage in business ventures with … any officer, employee or independent contractor of an NHL Club, other Professional Hockey Club or Canadian Major Junior Hockey Club or any other entity affiliated with any of the foregoing, including but not limited to coaches, general managers, scouts and locker room personnel.“
Personally, I didn't even know this was a rule and it strikes me as kind of funny. After all, isn't the agent simply working in the best interests of his client? If I'm an agent for Dubas or Matthews, I'm simply trying to get them the best deal possible with no real regards as to how the two affect each other.
In any case, Seravalli reports that the NHL warned teams back in 2022 that these types of dealings will be more strictly enforced moving forward and it looks now like Dubas is the first team employee to be under review. It's unclear what the penalty is for violating this rule and whether or not that penalty will ultimately be made public.
He seems like a snake unless he sets the record straight.
The Masters
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or...whatever you do dont go full Dube, everyone knows you dont go full Dube
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I still find it funny that the no trades kick in when Dubas's contract ends.
Probably nothing
Now knowing that Dubas has the same agent as Mathews.
Probably nothing
Now knowing that Dubas has the same agent as Mathews.
Why the hell don't they just cut the guy loose?
Everybody and their dog knows his job doesn't exist here anymore without Dubas.
Wasn't there rumors of a couple teams allegedly interested in him? No need to get in the man's way.
I think this could be locked too.. spinning our wheels but the thread did pass the tests
justashadowof
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This "golf guy" has the title "Senior Vice President" at the Wasserman Media Group. Talk about not-lying-but-shady spin trying to get away with calling him the "golf guy".
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When I was at Waterloo in the 70s WLU was referred to as "the little high school down the street".
notDatsyuk
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Are you seriously acting like Boborovsky hasn't beren below replacement level for pretty much all of that contract and it's the reason Florida has had to lose players they'd probably prefer to keep? Call me when one of the Leafs' $10 million guys plays below replacement level for an entire regular season.
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Not to mention it took him until 34 to finally have an elite playoff run, and he's harping on players in their 20s lol
seventieslord
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Wow, I often forget that Quinn was coach/GM at the same time. It's almost unfathomable today.
History shows being GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs can be hell
Since 1917, managing Toronto's NHL team has been a challenging job, made harder by dealing with varying personalities above to those below.torontosun.com
FROM QUINN TO BURKE
Having one man hold two positions, while the Leafs made consistent playoff appearances, limited front office friction for a few years.
That peace ended as the newly created Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Ltd. got antsy about too many dark springs at the Air Canada Centre.
MLSE president Richard Peddie triggered an instant turf war with Quinn when he appointed John Ferguson Jr. as GM, though Quinn would also object to interference by Peddie.
Dumping Ferguson after five years brought Fletcher a brief renaissance, while Peddie and sports lawyer Gordon Kirke were tasked to head a search committee for a new hockey czar. About 30 prominent names, which included Ken Holland, Jim Nill and Doug Wilson were compiled, but Brian Burke was at the top.
Whether or not he pre-approved two of Fletcher’s controversial moves, the hiring of Ron Wilson as head coach and signing of defenceman Jeff Finger for valuable cap dollars, neither shifted the needle on success.
Burke’s successor, Dave Nonis, had intense belief in the 2013 nucleus that featured Phil Kessel, Dion Phaneuf, Nazem Kadri, James van Riemsdyk and James Reimer, despite their epic Game 7 collapse in Boston. He augmented them with David Clarkson, a seven-year $36.75-million signing, but it was a bust.
Incoming president Brendan Shanahan wanted that albatross off the books and though Nonis’ days were numbered, he at least pulled off one of the first big dead-cap dollar trades for the idle Nathan Horton.
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Shanahan restructured the hockey department in an unorthodox back-to-front manner, hiring assistants Dubas, Mark Hunter and Brandon Pridham, then $50-million head coach Mike Babcock, before topping it well after the 2015 draft with Lou Lamoriello, his old boss in New Jersey.
When that got too crowded and competitive, Shanahan picked Dubas to go the distance ahead of Lamoriello and Hunter. Buoyed by high draft picks and the bold, but cap-crippling signing of John Tavares, the Leafs and their ‘Core Four’ coupled great regular seasons with playoff collapses.
They did win a round this year and a few days ago, an extension was close that could’ve set the Dubas agenda for years to come. Now they seek the 13th GM since winning their most recent Cup.
When was the last time a guy did both? (And not just on an interim basis)
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"I want to know, am I making the decisions, or are you making the decisions?"
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To me, this is a bit of a mess. What quality GM wants to come here, knowing that Shanny has the final say on things? That they will be GM, but without really the power that normally comes with that position? The stress of the job in Toronto, but then maybe handcuffed?
If Shanny wants to run things like this, and promised the core four they are staying, removing Dubas doesn't accomplish anything.
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To me, this is a bit of a mess. What quality GM wants to come here, knowing that Shanny has the final say on things? That they will be GM, but without really the power that normally comes with that position? The stress of the job in Toronto, but then maybe handcuffed?
If Shanny wants to run things like this, and promised the core four they are staying, removing Dubas doesn't accomplish anything.
notdoneyet
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If Bennett or Gudas played this way for the leafs they would be suspended
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