Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Racer88]

So much for his comment about it’s the Leafs or nothing.
At least we know that you can’t believe much he says

 

[fahad203]

On 32 Thoughts, Freidman said Dubas has been offered the job with Pittsburgh and he is being given some time to decide.

As for Tulsky, it isn’t happening and it’s not an upgrade over Dubas. He isn’t what this organization needs right now. This is Shanahan’s team and vision. He wants his yes man.

Trievling seems to come off as a very corporatey type of guy. Soft spoken, business attire represents the brand
Not sure if it helps but that the fact that he comes from a business family (Being Jim Treivling's son, Boston Pizza) I am sure he knows all about corporate culture

As long as he doesn't hire Sutter as the coach. There's no such thing as a generational GM, even Tulsky is very unproven
Even Brisebois made some bonehead moves. Yzerman team hasn't really lifted from the ground either

Will be interesting to see how it unfolds

 

[Jmo89]

Penguins GM search: Eric Tulsky impresses in interviews as Kyle Dubas reports swirl​

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However, it’s a candidate without ties to the Penguins that seems to have aced his interviews. Eric Tulsky, the Hurricanes assistant GM, impressed FSG brass — specifically at an in-person meeting with Henry and chairman Tom Werner, said a Penguins team source granted anonymity by The Athletic because they are not permitted to speak publicly about the process.

Tulsky is one of the Hurricanes’ two assistant GMs. He has played a pivotal role — including direct involvement on all hockey operations decisions, analytics, scouting and contract negotiations — under Carolina GM Don Waddell. The Hurricanes are in the Eastern Conference final and have qualified for the past five postseasons, winning at least one series each time.

While Tulsky has emerged as one of the top candidates, former Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas’ recent availability might play into the Penguins’ final decision. Sportsnet and TSN writers have reported the Penguins received permission to speak with Dubas from the Maple Leafs, who parted ways with him last Friday.

The latest on Tulsky, Dubas and Penguins GM search

The Penguins’ long, wide-ranging search for new hockey leadership has entered its sixth week but is seemingly nearing a conclusion.

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If he's been that involved he would come in with alot more experience than Dubas.

 

[shaner8989]

Knies for Hagel would have been a f***ing disaster. 3 goals in 30 games in the playoffs. Another soft perimeter player. Dubas really was putrid

 

[The Masters]

On 32 Thoughts, Freidman said Dubas has been offered the job with Pittsburgh and he is being given some time to decide.

As for Tulsky, it isn’t happening and it’s not an upgrade over Dubas. He isn’t what this organization needs right now. This is Shanahan’s team and vision. He wants his yes man.

Makes sense. Shanny u can fire yourself in 2 yrs but please dont hire Brad u dummy

 

[Mess]

1. Who are you attributing this quote to, and do you know if they spoke to either Shanahan or any of the core players on this topic?
2. What else would you expect him to say to them "Hey Auston, keep this to yourself but we're gonna trade Mitch" ? Of course he was going to say reassuring things given the events that had just occurred

I actually LMAO at the the thought of Shanny even saying the opposite,

Leafs just released their GM at an inopportune time based on pressing issues the next 6 weeks which set the organization into chaos for the short-term.

However Shanny then reaches out the core players to try and calm the situation, by informing them major changes are coming to the core and we're shopping you all. We have no idea of market worth nor return as we don't even have a GM at this time but start packing your bags anyways.,

Oh, btw how are we looking on those contract extensions Auston and Willy before those no trade clauses kick in, we would like to you commit long-term to the Leafs organization, before we trade away ASAP.

I hope that has caused the storm and concern to settle down that you've been reassured your leaving.

 

[andora]

Tampa will remain a threat no doubt.

The next five weeks, and this offseason, won't determine the fate of the team, but you won't find another opportunity of this magnitude to accelerate change.

Think of our current asset capital (players, prospects, picks) like a war chest that will be used to invest in a new program. The majority of it dissappears after July 1st.

It's not all dependant on player personnel, but that's a critical component and the most difficult to acquire.

I see where we are differing.. but agree nonetheless.. i dont look at it as accelerating change as naturally it wont be a month and a new system is gunning.. i am kinda taking the two year approach with nylander and matthews signed.. marner i could take or leave..

Regarding targeting players.. i dont think it makes it more difficult but makes it more specialized... i mean you should always do what you do well cause.. well you do it well - this is where systematic approach to player execs and scouts becomes more targeted and the types of players they succeed at identifying. I think you start there and in theory it can work from there.. these scouts and execs can also tutor the others and knowledge share and you develop your existing personnel

I dont think it needs to be drastic either.. one exec or pro scout can work wonders.. and maye 2 or 3 amateur scouts .. and i would put intensive focus on ncaa sweden and finland

I dont want sandins anymore but i want forslings

Knies for Hagel would have been a f***ing disaster. 3 goals in 30 games in the playoffs. Another soft perimeter player. Dubas really was putrid

Whether or not knies for hagel pans or doesnt pan two things are true as of today

- knies would be successful if he turns out as good at hagel
- how you describe hagel indicates you either do not watch him as a player and or do not understand what he does and what he is elite at

 

[Thornbury]

Knies for Hagel would have been a f***ing disaster. 3 goals in 30 games in the playoffs. Another soft perimeter player. Dubas really was putrid

I believe a first would also have been included in the deal - ugh. Knies is no sure thing, but the guy does seem to be a unicorn. Great size, solid skater, good hands. Exactly what we have been looking for over the last five years or so.

I see where we are differing.. but agree nonetheless.. i dont look at it as accelerating change as naturally it wont be a month and a new system is gunning.. i am kinda taking the two year approach with nylander and matthews signed.. marner i could take or leave..

Regarding targeting players.. i dont think it makes it more difficult but makes it more specialized... i mean you should always do what you do well cause.. well you do it well - this is where systematic approach to player execs and scouts becomes more targeted and the types of players they succeed at identifying. I think you start there and in theory it can work from there.. these scouts and execs can also tutor the others and knowledge share and you develop your existing personnel

I dont think it needs to be drastic either.. one exec or pro scout can work wonders.. and maye 2 or 3 amateur scouts .. and i would put intensive focus on ncaa sweden and finland

I dont want sandins anymore but i want forslings


Whether or not knies for hagel pans or doesnt pan two things are true as of today

- knies would be successful if he turns out as good at hagel
- how you describe hagel indicates you either do not watch him as a player and or do not understand what he does and what he is elite at

The description Hagel having scored all of 3 goals in 30 playoff games is, however, accurate.

 

[hockeywiz542]

SIMMONS: Maple Leafs' Brendan Shanahan should pay attention to Florida Panthers success

The Florida Panthers management has turned the team around while the Maple Leafs seem stuck in the mud.

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Should the Maple Leafs go on and win a Stanley Cup — or maybe more than one — Kyle Dubas will understand what it is to be Dale Tallon.

More than Dubas was with the Maple Leafs, Tallon was the chief architect of three Stanley Cup championship teams with the Chicago Blackhawks. He just wasn’t around with the club to celebrate any of them, to take part in the parades when they won three Cups in a five-year span, ending in 2015.

Tallon was first the director of player personnel when the Blackhawks drafted Duncan Keith and Brent Seabrook, goalie Corey Crawford and forward/defenceman Dustin Byfuglien — all huge elements of their semi-dynasty years.

He was general manager when the Hawks hired Joel Quenneville to coach, when Chicago drafted future Hall of Famers Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane, and when the club added championship parts like Marian Hossa, Nick Hjarmalsson, Patrick Sharp, Kris Versteeg and Dave Bolland.
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In fact, just about every player on the first of three title teams in Chicago was acquired in one way or another by Tallon. He just didn’t get the chance to be part of what should have been a life-changing experience for any hockey executive.

Tallon was pushed out by the Blackhawks for a variety of reasons and landed on his feet with the Florida Panthers. Why does any of this matter today? Because Dale Tallon is once again a factor in the Stanley Cup playoffs, even if he has nothing to do with the Panthers anymore.

As GM in Florida, Tallon drafted Sasha Barkov and Aaron Ekblad, he signed Sergei Bobrovsky to a long, large contract as a free agent. In between all that, he drafted Jonathan Huberdeau, MacKenzie Weegar, Vincent Trocheck, Anton Lundell, Lawson Crouse and Samuel Montembeault. He built the team that mostly won the President’s Trophy a year ago after he had been pushed out as general manager.

This is where the Maple Leafs and president Brendan Shanahan need to be paying attention: When the Panthers went looking for a GM to replace Tallon, they hired Bill Zito from the Columbus Blue Jackets, where he had previously worked in the front office. It wasn’t exactly big news at the time.

Zito was best known for being a player-agent. Among the many he represented were Boston goaltenders Tim Thomas and Tuukka Rask. He hadn’t worked as a GM, except in the American Hockey League, where he ran Columbus’ minor-league club.

The Panthers didn’t have to outbid anybody to hire Zito. His signing was barely news around the hockey world.

 

[shaner8989]

I see where we are differing.. but agree nonetheless.. i dont look at it as accelerating change as naturally it wont be a month and a new system is gunning.. i am kinda taking the two year approach with nylander and matthews signed.. marner i could take or leave..

Regarding targeting players.. i dont think it makes it more difficult but makes it more specialized... i mean you should always do what you do well cause.. well you do it well - this is where systematic approach to player execs and scouts becomes more targeted and the types of players they succeed at identifying. I think you start there and in theory it can work from there.. these scouts and execs can also tutor the others and knowledge share and you develop your existing personnel

I dont think it needs to be drastic either.. one exec or pro scout can work wonders.. and maye 2 or 3 amateur scouts .. and i would put intensive focus on ncaa sweden and finland

I dont want sandins anymore but i want forslings


Whether or not knies for hagel pans or doesnt pan two things are true as of today

- knies would be successful if he turns out as good at hagel
- how you describe hagel indicates you either do not watch him as a player and or do not understand what he does and what he is elite at

What does he do?. He’s useless in the playoffs. He has less hits then Matthews and only a few more than Marner. 3 goals in 30 games. Was terrible in Chicago. He’s a 6th rd pick. I think your out to lunch here

 

[nuck]

I believe a first would also have been included in the deal - ugh. Knies is no sure thing, but the guy does seem to be a unicorn. Great size, solid skater, good hands. Exactly what we have been looking for over the last five years or so.

2 1sts actually and thats what Tampa paid for Hagel alone.

 

[ShaneFalco]

1. Who are you attributing this quote to, and do you know if they spoke to either Shanahan or any of the core players on this topic?
2. What else would you expect him to say to them "Hey Auston, keep this to yourself but we're gonna trade Mitch" ? Of course he was going to say reassuring things given the events that had just occurred

Leafsnation article lol

 

[andora]

What does he do?. He’s useless in the playoffs. He has less hits then Matthews and only a few more than Marner. 3 goals in 30 games. Was terrible in Chicago. He’s a 6th rd pick. I think your out to lunch here

Then i will enjoy my lunch and you enjoy whatever it is you are having

 

[The Masters]

The Pittsburgh Penguins were seemingly close to naming a new hockey operations staff when Kyle Dubas became available after the Toronto Maple Leafs lost in the second round.

At that moment, the Penguins put their whole process on hold and looked for permission to talk to Dubas.

By all accounts, they were granted permission to interview Dubas and rocket him straight to the top of the priority list.

Not only did Dubas receive an interview with the Penguins, but he also met with their captain.


According to DK Pittsburgh Sports, Dubas met with Sidney Crosby at the Penguins’ practice facility late Tuesday night.

When Dubas spoke with the media in Toronto, he stated that if he wasn’t sticking with the Maple Leafs, he would take time away from the game.

After Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan spoke, however, it seemed like Dubas might still have the fire to be in an NHL front office, even if it wasn’t in Toronto.



Following the initial firings of Ron Hextall and Brian Burke, the Penguins had Dubas at the top of their list.

With the process on hold and no official announcement from the Penguins, it sure seems like it’s Dubas’ job to lose if he’s meeting with Crosby at the Penguins’ facility.

Lines up with Elliot. THey musta had the meeting yesterday and they offered it to him. Probably will accept this week.

 

[andora]

I believe a first would also have been included in the deal - ugh. Knies is no sure thing, but the guy does seem to be a unicorn. Great size, solid skater, good hands. Exactly what we have been looking for over the last five years or so.


The description Hagel having scored all of 3 goals in 30 playoff games is, however, accurate.

Yes.. 3 goals is accurate

 

[myleafs]

Couple of points for discussion, while we all reserve judgement.

Chris Johnston is very pro Dubas based on his reporting, but how would Johnston get inside info of private conversations between Shanny and the core 4?

Does CJ have these players on speed dial to contact them 24/7, so then after hearing Shanny was making calls, decided I'd better call up Auston, Mitch, WIlly and Johnny and ask them personally to tell him what Leafs President told them in private behind Leafs closed doors. So then are we to believe all 4 core Leafs players leaked that info to CJ so he could go public with his insider info? If that remote fact was even plausible would Shanny have a bigger problem because of trust and confidence issues of his core players going outside the team to relay information to the media?

How else would Chris Johnston get this exclusive scoop no one else did, and be able to make his claim of knowing what Shanahan said directly to them without asking them?

What experienced and reputable GM would take on a new job and have 1/2 the teams salary cap tied to 4 players that he is told is outside of his control and untouchable?

Second, Leafs don't even have a coach yet in place, so would it be wise prior to getting and having input Shanny has already tied the new GMs hands so anyone taking the job would be informed by Shanny these 4 players are untouchable because (reporter Chris Johnston) claims I made them a promise they would not be traded so as GM you work on the bottom end of the roster only?

Shanny would essentially be looking for his new puppet to put in the GM chair when he himself is really the acting GM making the important decisions.

ive asked the same questions regarding how does CJ knows all of this and not one credible answer has come back. It doesnt pass the smell test.

That would mean Dubas is lining himself up as a successor to Shanny or a potential replacement.

Which he probably would have got at some point if he hadnt sabotaged himself.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

You know there is some Irony in Dubas connection to the Soo and his love for the past and acquiring players under his time as GM.

One of the players under coach Sheldon Keefe first season as coach in 2012-13 was leading scorer Nick Cousins (now of the Florida Panthers).

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Not only did Cousins score the 1st goal of the Leafs/Florida series sending Panthers off.

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but guess who scored the series clinching goal in game #5 in OT?

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So ex Soo Greyhound started it and then ended the Leafs season in round #2 ..

Wonder if Dubas and Keefe after collecting so many former Soo players, realize the one they didn't, did them in, and might now even end their Leaf careers as the last goal ever scored against them in Leafs management roles.

Well that is just all kinds of Kevin Bacon.

 

[thewave]

I actually LMAO at the the thought of Shanny even saying the opposite,

Leafs just released their GM at an inopportune time based on pressing issues the next 6 weeks which set the organization into chaos for the short-term.

However Shanny then reaches out the core players to try and calm the situation, by informing them major changes are coming to the core and we're shopping you all. We have no idea of market worth nor return as we don't even have a GM at this time but start packing your bags anyways.,

Oh, btw how are we looking on those contract extensions Auston and Willy before those no trade clauses kick in, we would like to you commit long-term to the Leafs organization, before we trade away ASAP.

I hope that has caused the storm and concern to settle down that you've been reassured your leaving.

Pridham as AGM would have all the access and inner discussion on extensions. Certainly has the inside scoop on it because he manages the cap. We are all good. If we lost Prids and Dubas at the same time, maybe bad.

 

[Albz]

I think the dubas firing gonna turn out like raptors trading derozen kinda situation. Lol hopefully

 

[thewave]

I think the dubas firing gonna turn out like raptors trading derozen kinda situation. Lol hopefully

I just read this and I swear a Chili Dog got stuck in my Aorta.

 

[ToneDog]

Rossi on Kyper saying the Pens job is Dubas' job if he wants it. Says it is more like Kyle interviewing the Pens rather than the Pens interviewing him. Good Luck Sid.

 

[thewave]

Rossi on Kyper saying the Pens job is Dubas' job if he wants it. Says it is more like Kyle interviewing the Pens rather than the Pens interviewing him. Good Luck Sid.

Maybe he will be nice trade us for Marner (and overpay)

 

[The Masters]

Dubas had pittsburgh all along

he's going to take the job

 

[Mess]

“What’s interesting to me is that Brendan Shanahan phoned each of the Leafs’ top players to share the news about Kyle Dubas, and those players came away from those conversations believing that Brendan Shanahan’s intention is to bring the entire core four back.

What is interesting to me is .. If this were a court of law, that statement would be ruled inadmissible as valid evidence, based a the 3rd party hearsay rule.

What is hearsay evidence?​

Objection, Your Honour! Hearsay.” You’ve probably heard it a thousand times in courtroom dramas on TV – the judge then says, “Objection overruled” or “Sustained” and the trial moves on. But do you know what hearsay evidence is, and what it isn’t?

The general rule - All evidence presented in a trial must be “admissible”. The word “admissible” means that the law of evidence will permit the judge to admit it as evidence in the trial and consider it when deciding your case. Hearsay evidence carries with it the risk that the reported statement is not reliable, because it can't be verified, because a 3rd party not directly involved that neither saw, nor heard it first hand themselves has no true account of the situation. Because of the possibility that hearsay evidence is not reliable, this form of evidence is not allowed at trial.

Unless Chris Johnston was on the phone line with Shanny and the players, or in the room when it was said, his opinion outside that scope would be considered conjecture (an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information) and thus Hearsay. Where or what is the factual basis to prove CJ statement as true, or is it simple freedom of speech and his own personal opinion and drawn conclusion on the subject?

If however at and until Shanahan's next PC to announce the Leafs new coach, he personally goes on the record and tells us what he did or didn't say or promise the core 4, everything else said in the media can be believed or not believed at your own risk.

 

[ToneDog]

Maybe he will be nice trade us for Marner (and overpay)

We can throw in some of his draft picks but not sure Pens have the pieces a team not wanting to take a step back would be interested in.