Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Mitch nylander]

Yep. Pens will sign that Tulsky “Sideshow Bob” nerd.

Nope he's out apparently.

They officially cut down their list to:

Mathieu Darche (Tampa Asistant GM)
Kyle Dubas
Jason Botterill (Buffalo Gm from 2017-2020, Kraken Agm)
& Jason Karmanos (Buffalo AGM)

 

[Superstar]

CJ on Insider trading:

- NOTHING has changed with Auston Matthews regarding his contract extension. He would still like to re-sign and remain a Toronto Maple Leaf like he said on locker clean out day
- Him and his agent are sitting back and seeing how this plays out, would like to know who the GM is and their vision for the team

The vision is to win the Stanley...but of course he's sitting back to see how they could bend over the Leafs for another massive contract that's well beyond any of his comparables...so sick and tired of these greedy players.

 

[BallardEra]

Nope he's out apparently.

They officially cut down their list to:

Mathieu Darche (Tampa Asistant GM)
Kyle Dubas
Jason Botterill (Buffalo Gm from 2017-2020, Kraken Agm)
& Jason Karmanos (Buffalo AGM)

The plot thickens.

Wonder if Dubas is trying for POHO and not the GM position.

 

[Mitch nylander]

The plot thickens.

Wonder if Dubas is trying for POHO and not the GM position.

It's unclear if he would go there. I think realistically they go Botterill as POHO and Darche as gm.

 

[BallardEra]

It's unclear if he would go there. I think realistically they go Botterill as POHO and Darche as gm.

Ya I think he wants the Sens job.

 

[Superstar]

It's unclear if he would go there. I think realistically they go Botterill as POHO and Darche as gm.

I think it depends if Dubas could smooth talk the ownership group into hiring him, which I think he could.

 

[sxvnert]

Toronto Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan informed the club's core forwards they're unlikely to be moved, TSN's Chris Johnston reported on "Insider Trading."

Report: Maple Leafs' core told they're unlikely to be moved

Toronto Maple Leafs president Brendan Shanahan informed the club's core forwards they're unlikely to be moved, TSN's Chris Johnston reported on "Insider Trading."The futures of John Tavares, Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and William Nylander have been in question since they failed to make an...

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Classic poison pill. So now if any of the four are moved, Shanny will become a villain for lying then trading them. Unreal to see the amount of bullshit coming from the shill four (Seigel, Mirtle, Johnson, Friedman).

 

[Mess]

I think most people that are against Treliving is because of his lack of playoff success, awful coaching hires and obviously the Tkachuk fiasco which really seemed to lack vision. For the most part he seems competent being able to put a team together that can compete.

You know the funny part of the so called " Tkachuk fiasco" is that the majority of the Leafs fan base thought it was the Florida Panthers that got scalped, and took a huge hit and going to fall down and out of competitiveness.

"Matthew Tkachuk was traded to the Florida Panthers on Friday night, with Huberdeau part of the haul going to the Calgary Flames for the power forward. Florida also sent defenseman MacKenzie Weegar, prospect Cole Schwindt and a lottery-protected first-round selection in the 2025 NHL draft.

Huberdeau was the Panthers all-time leading scorer coming off a season where he finished 30 goals and 115 points 2nd only to McDavid. MacKenzie Weegar was a top 4 Dman with 44 points ranked only behind Aaron Ekblad on the defense chart and included 1st round a lottery protected top 10 pick and a prospect( former 3rd rounder) .

What would be Leafs equivalent if they attempted to acquire Tkachuk ? Mitch Marner + TJ Brodie + 1st round pick + 3rd round B level prospect.

That is essentially what Brad Treliving got for Tkachuk and under the premise that he wanted out, wasn't going re-sign in Calgary and Florida among the few teams he would go to.

Its now in hindsight that everyone is on the Tkachuk side and thinks Calgary got taken based on the results. But that is revisionist history today based on opinions at time of trade,

 

[The Masters]

I feel Shanny is going to get duped by smooth talker Treliving just as he did by Dubas

 

[Superstar]

You know the funny part of the so called " Tkachuk fiasco" is that the majority of the Leafs fan base thought it was the Florida Panthers that got scalped, and took a huge hit and going to fall down and out of competitiveness.

"Matthew Tkachuk was traded to the Florida Panthers on Friday night, with Huberdeau part of the haul going to the Calgary Flames for the power forward. Florida also sent defenseman MacKenzie Weegar, prospect Cole Schwindt and a lottery-protected first-round selection in the 2025 NHL draft.

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Huberdeau was the Panthers all-time leading scorer coming off a season where he finished 30 goals and 115 points 2nd only to McDavid. MacKenzie Weegar was a top 4 Dman with 44 points ranked only behind Aaron Ekblad on the defense chart and included 1st round a lottery protected top 10 pick and a prospect( former 3rd rounder) .

What would be Leafs equivalent if they attempted to acquire Tkachuk ? Mitch Marner + TJ Brodie + 1st round pick + 3rd round B level prospect.

That is essentially what Brad Treliving got for Tkachuk and under the premise that he wanted out, wasn't going re-sign in Calgary and Florida among the few teams he would go to.

Its now in hindsight that everyone is on the Tkachuk side and thinks Calgary got taken based on the results. But that is revisionist history today based on opinions at time of trade,

That 115 point season was an anomaly...to think that he would come close to that performance was wishful thinking.

 

[sxvnert]

Flames fan here. How would you guys feel if Treliving became the Leafs GM? I honestly think Brad’s the best experienced GM option available

Brad wasn’t a perfect GM by any means, but he did do good stuff for us. The Hamilton trade was by far his best trade. Our team’s drafting improved significantly during his tenure. And I know the Tkachuk trade isn’t looking great for us right now but considering Chucky wanted out he did a good job with the limited team options he had available to trade with. Nobody saw Huberdeau having the drop-off he had this season

Brad’s biggest weaknesses were his UFA signings, some fumbled asset management and his coach hires. But I honestly think the coaching hires has more to do with Flames ownership being cheap when it came to paying for a coach (which changed when they brought back Sutter)

Curious on what y’all think about Brad

The real question is how much does Flames ownership meddle on a daily basis.

 

[sxvnert]

Ottawa is laughable. They have a general manager (Dorion).

Until the new ownership takes over.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

If he turned on Shanny, as appears likely, he may never work again. Shanny gave him his start as a baby, no one else will trust him.

If you’re going to shoot at the king, you better not miss!

 

[saffronleaf]

Flames fan here. How would you guys feel if Treliving became the Leafs GM? I honestly think Brad’s the best experienced GM option available

Brad wasn’t a perfect GM by any means, but he did do good stuff for us. The Hamilton trade was by far his best trade. Our team’s drafting improved significantly during his tenure. And I know the Tkachuk trade isn’t looking great for us right now but considering Chucky wanted out he did a good job with the limited team options he had available to trade with. Nobody saw Huberdeau having the drop-off he had this season

Brad’s biggest weaknesses were his UFA signings, some fumbled asset management and his coach hires. But I honestly think the coaching hires has more to do with Flames ownership being cheap when it came to paying for a coach (which changed when they brought back Sutter)

Curious on what y’all think about Brad

Scust

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

You know the funny part of the so called " Tkachuk fiasco" is that the majority of the Leafs fan base thought it was the Florida Panthers that got scalped, and took a huge hit and going to fall down and out of competitiveness.

"Matthew Tkachuk was traded to the Florida Panthers on Friday night, with Huberdeau part of the haul going to the Calgary Flames for the power forward. Florida also sent defenseman MacKenzie Weegar, prospect Cole Schwindt and a lottery-protected first-round selection in the 2025 NHL draft.

View attachment 711939

Huberdeau was the Panthers all-time leading scorer coming off a season where he finished 30 goals and 115 points 2nd only to McDavid. MacKenzie Weegar was a top 4 Dman with 44 points ranked only behind Aaron Ekblad on the defense chart and included 1st round a lottery protected top 10 pick and a prospect( former 3rd rounder) .

What would be Leafs equivalent if they attempted to acquire Tkachuk ? Mitch Marner + TJ Brodie + 1st round pick + 3rd round B level prospect.

That is essentially what Brad Treliving got for Tkachuk and under the premise that he wanted out, wasn't going re-sign in Calgary and Florida among the few teams he would go to.

Its now in hindsight that everyone is on the Tkachuk side and thinks Calgary got taken based on the results. But that is revisionist history today based on opinions at time of trade,

To add to that...we don't know what Hubey will do with a coach who isn't a moron....that part still needs to play out in the coming years. I am not a fan of Hubey...but he is better than he showed in Calgary this year...

 

[Leaf Fans]

or one that has to ask his wife (or husband) for permission when he (or she) is the bread winner in the family.

But people only imagined that Dubas had to do that. Dubas said that he would discuss things with his family.

 

[BRobMint]

The real question is how much does Flames ownership meddle on a daily basis.

Probably about as much as MLSE does

 

[mydnyte]

You know the funny part of the so called " Tkachuk fiasco" is that the majority of the Leafs fan base thought it was the Florida Panthers that got scalped, and took a huge hit and going to fall down and out of competitiveness.

"Matthew Tkachuk was traded to the Florida Panthers on Friday night, with Huberdeau part of the haul going to the Calgary Flames for the power forward. Florida also sent defenseman MacKenzie Weegar, prospect Cole Schwindt and a lottery-protected first-round selection in the 2025 NHL draft.

View attachment 711939

Huberdeau was the Panthers all-time leading scorer coming off a season where he finished 30 goals and 115 points 2nd only to McDavid. MacKenzie Weegar was a top 4 Dman with 44 points ranked only behind Aaron Ekblad on the defense chart and included 1st round a lottery protected top 10 pick and a prospect( former 3rd rounder) .

What would be Leafs equivalent if they attempted to acquire Tkachuk ? Mitch Marner + TJ Brodie + 1st round pick + 3rd round B level prospect.

That is essentially what Brad Treliving got for Tkachuk and under the premise that he wanted out, wasn't going re-sign in Calgary and Florida among the few teams he would go to.

Its now in hindsight that everyone is on the Tkachuk side and thinks Calgary got taken based on the results. But that is revisionist history today based on opinions at time of trade,

i thought he got torched ...Huberdeau just had a career season, but, who knows who else was even opened to making an offer?
and then add the super-bad Kadri signing.
I wouldnt trust his judgement at evaluating talent.
Marner would have got Tkachuck plus back from Treliving, Leafs wouldnt have been the ones adding.

 

[Antropovsky]

Rumor was Dubas countered somewhere around 7 million per year. Wouldn't that make him the highest paid gm by a large margin? Holland makes 5 million for Edmonton.

How many teams are going yo give him more than the contract he was offered by Toronto? From the little bit of research I did, it doesn't sound like many.

 

[Community]

You know the funny part of the so called " Tkachuk fiasco" is that the majority of the Leafs fan base thought it was the Florida Panthers that got scalped, and took a huge hit and going to fall down and out of competitiveness.

"Matthew Tkachuk was traded to the Florida Panthers on Friday night, with Huberdeau part of the haul going to the Calgary Flames for the power forward. Florida also sent defenseman MacKenzie Weegar, prospect Cole Schwindt and a lottery-protected first-round selection in the 2025 NHL draft.

View attachment 711939

Huberdeau was the Panthers all-time leading scorer coming off a season where he finished 30 goals and 115 points 2nd only to McDavid. MacKenzie Weegar was a top 4 Dman with 44 points ranked only behind Aaron Ekblad on the defense chart and included 1st round a lottery protected top 10 pick and a prospect( former 3rd rounder) .

What would be Leafs equivalent if they attempted to acquire Tkachuk ? Mitch Marner + TJ Brodie + 1st round pick + 3rd round B level prospect.

That is essentially what Brad Treliving got for Tkachuk and under the premise that he wanted out, wasn't going re-sign in Calgary and Florida among the few teams he would go to.

Its now in hindsight that everyone is on the Tkachuk side and thinks Calgary got taken based on the results. But that is revisionist history today based on opinions at time of trade,

You're partially right, but Huberdeau is more close in value to an older Nylander (no extension in place prior to the trade, but 9.5 is likely what he would get too in that circumstance).

Marner had 4 seasons in a row where he paced for over 100pts. The season before that was 94 in a full season. Huberdeau has only had one and the rest of his career is fairly similar production to Nylander.

 

[Stephen]

Rumor was Dubas countered somewhere around 7 million per year. Wouldn't that make him the highest paid gm by a large margin? Holland makes 5 million for Edmonton.

How many teams are going yo give him more than the contract he was offered by Toronto? From the little bit of research I did, it doesn't sound like many.

His salary ask isn't really all that offensive to me, especially if he saw up close and personal what the operating profits were. I think it's trying to out maneuver the boss without solid on ice success that was the real issue.

 

[LeafEgo]

How much could the long term strategy have changed with dubas gone?

Sustain a contending team for say 5 years
Sustain supplementing bottom end of roster with home grown players
Succession plan for aging key players - brodie tavares etc...

The personnel may get a jolt but i am unsure of whatever overview is drastically going to change

I'm thinking it would be closer to a book then bullet points.

The strategy Dubas started with, that the Avs decided against, was fundamentally broken. As an outsider, it seemed like this was partly acknowledged early on. We sort of attempted pivots, but mostly it became, work with the mess that was made, and keep throwing stuff at the wall each year hoping we would eventually prevail on sheer talent and a bit of luck. Time ran out and now its a mess. Scrap it entirely.

I'd like the new GM to come in with a blueprint of what the contender team will look like, why it will win, and how we will get there. Every facet of the game will align to the plan - mgmt, coaching, players, culture, style, roles, cap, pairings, etc. It will evolve over time, but not along the lines of hockey basics like 'let's forget about physicality in the playoffs, no wait, lets put some back in.'

The time sensitive upcoming critical moves need to align to that long term plan, and will probably be the most important parts of achieving it, or at least achieving it quickly. Already we're working under strained conditions. Significant options and opportunities will soon dissappear.

 

[hamzarocks]

You're partially right, but Huberdeau is more close in value to an older Nylander (no extension in place prior to the trade, but 9.5 is likely what he would get too in that circumstance).

Marner had 4 seasons in a row where he paced for over 100pts. The season before that was 94 in a full season. Huberdeau has only had one and the rest of his career is fairly similar production to Nylander.

Marner from 2017/2018 - 2021/2022: 394 pts in 350 games or 92.30 pts per 82 games

Huberdeau from 2017/2018 - 2021/2022: 415 pts in 368 games or 92.47 pts per 82 games

Offensively, they were exact same player for the 5 years posted (before this season). Huberdeau had over 94 pts once sure, but Marner had over 94 pts twice from 2017 -2018, he paced for over 94 one more time in 2021), Huberdeau had 92, 92 and 91 pt paces in 2019 - 2021 seasons

 

[BallardEra]

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[Petrus]

Real classy media availability by Dubas

Damn Idiot. He had an awesome Gig. He lost sight of it.
Imagine if Dubas didn’t do his Presser?

The discussion here would centre around Matthews extension number and Keefe getting fired.

None of this chaos would have ensued.