Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[rumman]

There is talk about Dubas being a team President, perhaps Pittsburgh. Would Dubas the President not have a say in his teams trades?

oh the irony............

 

[rumman]

Remember when Shanahan made fun of the Senators post game interviews? Embarrassing them and the Senators ended them shortly afterwards. Maybe that's why Spezza resigned.

pretending to ride a bicycle was classic, should of left that energy on the ice imo............

 

[legobeard]

Does that make Marner Tyrion?

More like Theon post-Bolton.

Matthews I guess is Jaime.

Lol. Keefe is Ned stark and Morgan reilly is jon snow. Bunting is joffery

 

[rumman]

I don't think that the Nylander negotiation changes much. Matthews though? A guy that
A-has "blank cheque" leverage across the league
B- has shown a willingness to throw his weight around when he's not happy

Just reportedly went from happy to unhappy about the management and potential future of the team. Why would he commit to spending 8 years under another Babcock, or with a team that's blown up into mediocrity?

hope 34 doesn't let the door hit his ass (or wrist) on the way out..............

 

[rumman]

I keep reading here that Matthews went from happy to mad. Do we really have any proof that Matthews is mad because Dubas is gone or is it just a couple of hockey writers looking for attention

now, who will go to the desert to wash 34's feet...............

 

[grapes55]

Does anyone know why Doug Armstrong's name is coming up in rumours? I think he'd be a good candidate but he's under contract for a few more seasons with the Blues

 

[saffronleaf]

classy tweet from dubas. in stark contrast to the shanahan press conference.

 

[Rare Jewel]

The leafs not having a GM like 5 weeks before Matthews/Marner get that NMC is concerning

We need to bring in a GM asap or promote Pridham

Get this distraction out of the way and assess what direction this team is moving in next year

Well, I've heard/read in a few places now that the three + JT are likely staying. So, this makes me think now that the changes will happen around them to the players and the coaching staff.

I think if Pridham were really up for the job he would likely have by now, or you would be hearing that it's only a few days away. Also, I think that if changes are happing outside the main group, having Pridham lessens the chances of Keefe being let go IMO.

 

[saffronleaf]

Dubas wasn't sure if he wanted to stay on as GM, he didn't relay that to Shanahan. Dubas kept his honest thoughts to himself and his wife, sounds like he wanted more control, free to make decisions without 3 sign offs. He went on Monday to lay the groundwork for the potential sabotage after Wednesday, he knew what he wanted and was going to get it or be gone. When you come back to the table with a ridiculous counteroffer you are really saying you don;t want the job without your terms. Saying that it was either Toronto or nothing was for the Toronto media in his eventual conclusion, not looking like he didn't want to stay in Toronto. It adds up, Shanahan was blindsided with the counter offer and email from Kyle, if they were close it was a phone call, pretty clear Shanahan mentioned that to present their disconnect. It's time to move on

Dubas going to Pittsburgh, trading Crosby/Malkin/Letang to Toronto for Mathews.

Leafs win a Cup, Dubas builds a team in Pittsburgh around Mathews

Dubas brings a cup to Toronto after all

it really depends. i've been involved in non hockey negotiations and sometimes they start with an extreme offer and extreme counteroffer before typically settling on a compromise.

 

[Donnie740]

I always found it odd he was targeting a lot of SOO players. That just spoke to his ego and lack of intellect/experience for other players/management throughout the NHL.

Like you're the GM of the Leafs. Go bully the landscape and target the best players/staff no matter from where.

That was such a Dubas thing to do.

I haven’t seen anything do laughably misguided since Gord Stellick used THREE (3) first round picks to draft three hacks from the Belleville Bulls.

Once again, the parallels between Dubas and Stellick are impossible to deny.

 

[saffronleaf]

I enjoyed ripping on Dubas while he was here but now I miss him.

 

[NastyKnies]

I enjoyed ripping on Dubas while he was here but now I miss him.

I'm having a hard time remembering one good move he's made tbh.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Maybe, but a press conference late Friday of a long weekend also makes it seem like the Leafs were trying to limit the responses and keep their narritve as the clearest one.

Whether Shanny's story is the fulsome truth or not, it wouldn’t have made sense for Dubas to fire back. Best to keep it high level and move on.

Why do you say the word narrative so much? Like it's in 40% of your posts. It has become a really cool word since Covid, but you're not leaving any for the rest of us.

Agenda.

I'm having a hard time remembering one good move he's made tbh.

Asking for a pay rise and more autonomy.

 

[SprDaVE]

Does anyone know why Doug Armstrong's name is coming up in rumours? I think he'd be a good candidate but he's under contract for a few more seasons with the Blues

Probably because the Blues are retooling and the Blues haven't done that well over the last few years. There's probably some questions as to how safe his job is maybe? And also taking over the Leafs could be part of the attraction for someone like Armstrong.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I keep reading here that Matthews went from happy to mad. Do we really have any proof that Matthews is mad because Dubas is gone or is it just a couple of hockey writers looking for attention

Looking for attention.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Does anyone know why Doug Armstrong's name is coming up in rumours? I think he'd be a good candidate but he's under contract for a few more seasons with the Blues

 

[LeafEgo]

I love how the media is acting as if Shanny & Pridham can't facilitate trades or extend the core four.

They can and they might but it's not a recipe for success. These critical moves need to align with a long term strategy, otherwise it will be difficult to get to where you want to go. We won't find a GM with the exact same plan, and quite frankly we probably need help putting one together.

 

[GoonieFace]

classy tweet from dubas. in stark contrast to the shanahan press conference.

Real classy media availability by Dubas as well….

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

I don't think he goes to Pittsburgh. I think he'll end up in Ottawa. That will be friggin painful, if Dubas in Ottawa hands it to us. Literally a worst case scenario.

There is the hope that he will be busy trying to get a lot of the "talent" he drafted while he was here. He might overpay for the Joe Miller's of the world...one can only dream.

 

[KPower]

If I was named the GM of the leafs I’d only do one interview and I’d tell the media and the fans to go f*** themselves and say this is my last interview.

 

[horner]

Really? 4 days.. add a 1 and maybe.. but holy

It takes time another week

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Mirtle and Chris Johnston are both pro Dubas and now their meal ticket has dried up so now their posting and claiming all inside knowledge of Shanny blocked trades and Shanny promises to players and when pressed for more details they have none etc.

Sounds like they need to drive traffic to their pod and sites as reporters, and tossing some monkey wrenches to create more chaos for Leafs post Dubas.

Even Rachel Dorie was chiming in. I know she is probably lying when she said Richard Peddie was one of the guys who set a great culture...like what? He was barely a step above when the Teachers Pension owned the Leafs. She won't give Shanny and Lou any credit. Let me just say...I don't like Shanny...or Dubas...I think they both should have been booted years ago..especially after Montreal.

 

[horner]

hope 34 doesn't let the door hit his ass (or wrist) on the way out..............

Really worried about his wrist in the future.

They can and they might but it's not a recipe for success. These critical moves need to align with a long term strategy, otherwise it will be difficult to get to where you want to go. We won't find a GM with the exact same plan, and quite frankly we probably need help putting one together.

We need a different plan to be successful in the playoffs

 

[hockeywiz542]

Maple Leafs' process in Kyle Dubas decision looks more questionable by the day

Whether you think Dubas is a top-notch GM or not, it's becoming clear the Maple Leafs' decision to move on isn't based on solid logic.

ca.style.yahoo.com

The Toronto Maple Leafs' decision to part ways with Kyle Dubas is defensible in a vacuum, but as more information trickles out about their choice, the worse it looks.

Dubas has a resume that's far from unimpeachable, and there's a chance his replacement helps drive the kind of postseason success that's been elusive for this franchise. From a results standpoint, the decision may look fine for Toronto in the years to come.

Even so, it's starting to seem awfully unlikely the Maple Leafs' choice to move on was made for the right reasons.

On Friday, Brendan Shanahan laid out a timeline for the move in an unusual level of detail. If you take the Maple Leafs president at his word, his mind was changed after Dubas spoke to the media on Monday and expressed some consternation about the toll the GM job had taken on his family.

According to Shanahan, there was a "dramatic shift" in his thinking after the press conference.

While his decision to part ways with Dubas likely came down to multiple factors, there are three primary ways to interpret the situation.

1. Shanahan began to doubt Dubas had the stomach for the GM role after he expressed some doubts in public.

2. This was ultimately a contract dispute where Dubas asked for more money and/or control over decision making than the Maple Leafs were willing to give.

3. Dubas and Shanahan's working relationship deteriorated due to the latter using his power to impact transactions, as reported by The Athletic's James Mirtle.

If No. 1 was the driving force behind the decision then Shanahan comes off as harsh and lacking empathy for someone expressing themselves honestly. Being the GM of the Maple Leafs is a job that comes with plenty of pressure and public scrutiny, and Dubas feeling the weight of that in a difficult moment for the team is a relatable human response — not a sign of weakness.

If it's No. 2 that's reasonable to an extent, but the Maple Leafs print money and losing an executive they want over an amount that's inconsequential to the franchise seems silly. It would also be easy to present that situation as just an unfortunate reality of the business, instead of going as deep on the series of events as Shanahan did. Even if something related to the scope of the role was the sticking point rather than the financial component, that's something the team wouldn't have to elaborate on in public.

Perhaps No. 3 is the best explanation.

That means we're talking about a power struggle which doesn't paint Shanahan and the Maple Leafs in the best light. In this case, Shanahan felt that having a tight grip on decision-making was more important than collaborating with Dubas. It's possible that Shanahan is the superior hockey operations mind, but it's also worth noting that he came to the Maple Leafs with a background as a NHL executive and disciplinarian, not a prolific team builder.

 

[BallardEra]