Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[myleafs]

Again, I am not suggesting KD was the only man for the job. I do thnk he was a good fit. But that's not to say there aren't other options that are suitable or even better.

My issue is we don't currently have a direction going into a massively busy offseason. We have 5 weeks before Marner and Matthews NMC kick in as well as 5 weeks before the draft + UFA. We have no one person clearly steering the ship at this moment. We have more questions then we have answers.

Hard to believe guys like Matthews and Nylander would be comfortable extending in Toronto for any period of time without even knowing anything about their future boss. Whoever that may be

I hear you but lets see how things unfold before we panic. Could things get worse?...sure they could but maybe they get better too. Either way Ive been a leafs fan for a long time and am battled hardened enough to handle whatever happens. I mean at the very least I think we are all going to have a lot to talk/discuss/argue about this year.

 

[Racer88]

This is a good thing finally Shanahan is going to get a real sense of what is wrong with the current lineup.
I can only imagine from every GM that interviews for the job . You can't build a team with 4 players eating up this much of your cap.
Sometimes you need to hear the truth

even worse I’d extremely soft ones like our core 4.
Florida is hacking and whacking their way to most likely a Cup this year while our guys are spa day

 

[ToDavid]

Mirtle on the Fan outlining the potential chaos that looms, so many critical questions for the team. Bunkis points out Dubas brought us here. What to do with Matthews? Maybe not let him become a UFA at 26 freaking years old lol.

The narrative around Matthews contract is so ridiculous. 5 years has always been extremely common for top players coming off ELCs. Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Kane, Toews, etc. There's no reason to believe any other GM would have done differently.

 

[DarkKnight]

You've missed the point completely. But carry on.

As per normal, people getting themselves all wound up.

We all want the same thing.. the Leafs to win.

The Dubas beat guys seem to be getting all worked up, preaching chaos. That was my point.

Agreed, last line.

 

[Twine Tickler]

That wasn't what I asked.

I asked if were you generally informed on the team's direction before last week since you seem upset about not knowing the direction today?

Of course not. No one knows the in's and out's of their club unless they work or have a personal relationship with someone inside the know. Both of which I do not have.

That said, I knew who the captain of the ship was, and it was someone that I had trust in. Kyle may not have been perfect, but he made decisions with a future focused mindset. He developed a culture that was attractive for prospective players and staff. Right now we are a stranded vessel in the open ocean, with the likes of Jim Benning and Brad Treliving circling the waters hoping to come to our aid. To make matters worse, our vessel has a deadline to meet. So despite what Shanny suggests about taking his time with this decision, we don't necessarily have that luxury. At this point, all I can hope for is someone with a f***ing brain to come rescue us.

Not exactly a comforting feeling as a fan of this club.

 

[egd27]

Not only that, but he wants to sign another 5 year deal now so he can do it all over again down the line lol.

I doubt it.

He'd be 32 at the end of another 5 year contract and would likely make less AAV on his next contract than he would by going the full 8 this time around.

 

[sxvnert]

Exactly. Everyone patting Dubas on the back for keeping it “classy” in his goodbye message (reference to his family again not withstanding) can’t be naive enough to not realize he’s slinging mud through proxies like Mirtle and CJ instead??

Or there is nothing he can refute because its the truth.

 

[horner]

I’m not sure about that and I will believe it when I see it.
If the report was true and Shanahan informed the core they will all return, then he doesn’t seem to care about the salary structure.

It has also been reported that it is Shanahan himself who prefers the kinder, gentler, hugging approach to the playoffs.

We will see.

How do you know all of this.

 

[notdoneyet]

Dubas spent more money in his five years than anybody in the history of the nhl

Extra assistant gm’s
More personel at the admin level
25 million just to get rid of babcock
All the front loaded bloated contracts
Bad trades

When your giving a player 40 million dollars iver the first three years of a 5 year contract yiu should negotiate for 8 years and not have a nmc on july 1
Where you can leave at 26 as a ufa

He sucked at a lot if things even with all the money and advantages he had from mlse

 

[andora]

For everyone panicking about time before july 1st.. what if:

Nylander and matthews are dead set against negotiating before july 1.. will not happen but they both want to stay and work a deal.. if you like the players.. you wait right?.. so maybe there isnt as much panic as some feel

Opens it up to work on a marner trade

Lots of time

 

[Gallagbi]

Or there is nothing he can refute because its the truth.

Maybe, but a press conference late Friday of a long weekend also makes it seem like the Leafs were trying to limit the responses and keep their narritve as the clearest one.

Whether Shanny's story is the fulsome truth or not, it wouldn’t have made sense for Dubas to fire back. Best to keep it high level and move on.

 

[Racer88]

For everyone panicking about time before july 1st.. what if:

Nylander and matthews are dead set against negotiating before july 1.. will not happen but they both want to stay and work a deal.. if you like the players.. you wait right?.. so maybe there isnt as much panic as some feel

Opens it up to work on a marner trade

Lots of time

You wait if you are sure that they will actually work out a deal but if you even suspect that they won’t you have to deal them. You cannot lose any of them for nothing

 

[myleafs]

even worse I’d extremely soft ones like our core 4.
Florida is hacking and whacking their way to most likely a Cup this year while our guys are spa day

yep exactly...4 forwards making half the cap doesnt seem like a good idea but if those 4 forwards are Mackinnon, Crosby, Tkachuk and Tkachuk then maybe its not a bad plan but 4 vanilla non confrontational forwards isnt gonna cut it. Whether you like Kyper or not his take on our top 4 guys being the least confrontational players he has ever seen has some validity. Like he says ...in the playoffs its nothing but confrontation that gets more confronting the further you go.

 

[Superstar]

Good good then. Staying professional. Good luck to you Kyle.

He does need to look good for his new employers, whoever they are.

 

[4thline]

For everyone panicking about time before july 1st.. what if:

Nylander and matthews are dead set against negotiating before july 1.. will not happen but they both want to stay and work a deal.. if you like the players.. you wait right?.. so maybe there isnt as much panic as some feel

Opens it up to work on a marner trade

Lots of time

I think that scenario would be very much an avoidable result of the last week. And honestly.... I don't know. I can't blame either of them for not wanting to talk before holding the cards, but that's a huge amount of risk.

 

[DarkKnight]

Just watching some old Shanny highlights and can't believe he actually fought Probert once.

Guy was a warrior on the ice, not the dance class early Dubas assembled.

 

[DarkKnight]

Mirtle on Leaf Lunch said Dubas was necessarily too excited about returning. So if that’s true, then Shanny sniffed him out and turfed him.

 

[myleafs]

For everyone panicking about time before july 1st.. what if:

Nylander and matthews are dead set against negotiating before july 1.. will not happen but they both want to stay and work a deal.. if you like the players.. you wait right?.. so maybe there isnt as much panic as some feel

Opens it up to work on a marner trade

Lots of time

Tough call....do we want to take the chance of those 2 leaving without getting anything in return? Id rather bet on trading them for a boatload of stuff to rebuild.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I doubt it.

He'd be 32 at the end of another 5 year contract and would likely make less AAV on his next contract than he would by going the full 8 this time around.

I heard he wants to hit free agency around 30-32, might actually be a 3-4 year contract so he can hit pay dirt again.

 

[andora]

You wait if you are sure that they will actually work out a deal but if you even suspect that they won’t you have to deal them. You cannot lose any of them for nothing

Right.. but how fine is that thread.. even suspecting. Because right now you could suspect matthews based on the waiting to july 1 reports.. it is very fine.. but it comes down to instinct

If it is believed they will re sign AND you have numbers in mind that you are comfortable with you gotta play the game and try and sign them

This scenario i think takes a marner trade off the table as the potential butthurt is there if he is moved.. but if you make a marner trade and go on the offensive and see if they still want to sign you might get a truer gage on their commitment

So many angles.. and obviously i am showing my hand as i would prefer to keep 34 and 88 and explore the market on 16

 

[Niagara Bill]

That's a pretty bad take lol.

He'll work when he wants to work. Maybe organizations won't want to give him 100% unchecked control, but that'll be more driven by the organization than distrust of dubas.

Well the guy that lifted him from the crib, selected him over Hunter and Lou L was the guy he turned on. If he was a winner I could agree, but he is not yet won.
But one never knows how desperation plays out, even Hitler found a girl friend

 

[andora]

I think that scenario would be very much an avoidable result of the last week. And honestly.... I don't know. I can't blame either of them for not wanting to talk before holding the cards, but that's a huge amount of risk.

Then running the business you gotta make the line somewhere.. getting a deal done to try and win or holding negotiationd on your terms

I mean at the end of the day they are all getting money.. trade clauses bonuses blah blah.. for f*** sake they arent losing 30 million by negotiating now

If the best thing for the business is to trade one of them to wake up the other two then you do that

Tough call....do we want to take the chance of those 2 leaving without getting anything in return? Id rather bet on trading them for a boatload of stuff to rebuild.

You can still trade them afterwards.. with some restrictions but you arent f***ed if you wait either

 

[HockeyVirus]

you cannot leave the fox in the hen house, you just cant

This take makes no sense because Dubas wasn't fired for this reason. He was fired because he tried to bypass Shanny and caused a power struggle. The org and Shanny wanted him back. They are happy with the culture and direction of the team.

This is about hiring a GM who will toe the line and do what Shanny and the board says not about blowing the team up.

 

[myleafs]

This take makes no sense because Dubas wasn't fired for this reason. He was fired because he tried to bypass Shanny and caused a power struggle. The org and Shanny wanted him back. They are happy with the culture and direction of the team.

This is about hiring a GM who will toe the line and do what Shanny and the board says not about blowing the team up.

or maybe having a gm who doesnt undermine his bosses...in public...in my experience that never ends well and it shouldnt.

Then running the business you gotta make the line somewhere.. getting a deal done to try and win or holding negotiationd on your terms

I mean at the end of the day they are all getting money.. trade clauses bonuses blah blah.. for f*** sake they arent losing 30 million by negotiating now

If the best thing for the business is to trade one of them to wake up the other two then you do that


You can still trade them afterwards.. with some restrictions but you arent f***ed if you wait either

Maybe im not understanding....you cant trade them if they dont want to after july 1 correct? So if you wait and go into the season without extentions to Matthews and Nylander you risk losing both for nothing. That isnt a gamble I personally would take.

 

[ToDavid]

Dubas can't help himself and doubles down on publicly dragging his family into his professional world.

The team dragged their negotiation out on national television but Dubas is the unprofessional one for signing off an entirely positive and thankful statement with "The Dubas Family"? Seriously?