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Please let him land in Pittsburg. One, it obliterates the family angle and his earlier promise. But, for me, he inherits a core in decline and even more challenging, consistently ranked one of the worst prospect pools in the game. The Pens are no prize, quite the contrast to what he walked into here. The grass is browner.
 
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BREAKING NEWS:

Hearing rumours Dubas had his cleaning staff hiring decision DENIED by Rogers and Bell earlier this year. The playing staff had to suffer through the whole playoffs with the services of a competing vendor. Theories running amok how differently the playoffs could have been if only Dubas was able to make his own choice in this most crucial of areas.

Stay tuned for more on this developing story.
 
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TheTotalPackage said:
Is it not the least bit suspicious that these behind-the-scenes stuff never came to light before? We never heard a whisper about it -- which the media is all over if it were -- yet now all of a sudden we're finding out Dubas was handcuffed in his job? I'm far too skeptical to be buying it.
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Depends what you mean by havent heard it.

People involved are less guarded to share details now and are getting more questions. Makes sense theres more info floating around.

Aside from that, weve heard of a divide in management for the past year, we know MLSE has dictated a GMs direction in the past and we know we've been close to making deals previously that fell apart.

Who knows if it was for the better or worse, and theres always some type of chain of command, so none of this is really new information its just building on rumblings weve heard previously.

SprDaVE said:
The insiders still don't have any real candidates for the Leafs other than sorting by NHL experience and typing up the first few names. I hope we get a clearer picture in the next 48 hours about it.
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Do the Leafs have any other candidates aside from doing the same?
 
3blizzard4 said:
Shanny makes 7 mil a year. Would love to see his responsibilities list.
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The whole organization is nothing but bloat. I think they do it to bypass revenue sharing to an extent. Better we put it to use here than Gary giving it to AZ etc. The league is a mess cap wise and they really are at the point where the players need to break it in a strike etc.

I am saying i hope the players walk until things like cap and taxes adjusted etc is fixed. NHL sitting around with 500 betting commercials on per hour. Canadian teams cant even get a cup in 30 years i mean tell Gary F off.

NHL is basically beyond NBA level joke status. The point of my bloat comment above is too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the soup.
 
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hockeywiz542 said:
Kyle Dubas’ 5 worst moves during his time with the Toronto Maple Leafs - The Leafs Nation

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By Joseph Zita

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Just like my previous article about Kyle Dubas’ five best moves during his time with the Toronto Maple Leafs, it wouldn’t be fair if I didn’t write a follow-up article on his five worst moves during his time with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

As I’ve said plenty of times, Kyle Dubas wasn’t a perfect general manager, nobody is, but he did a lot of good things for this team while he was here, and yes, he even did some questionable things for this team that has hurt them at times.

When I was writing my five best moves from Dubas, I felt like that list could look different for other people, but as I was writing this piece, I thought to myself that my list probably looks similar to a lot of others because of how big these moves were at the time.

1. Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Tyson Barrie, Alex Kerfoot and a 2020 3rd-round pick from the Colorado Avalanche in exchange for Nazem Kadri, Calle Rosen and a 2020 6th-round pick

2. Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Nick Foligno (CBJ) and Stefan Noesen (SJ) in a three-way trade in exchange for a 2021 1st-round pick, a 2021 4th-round pick and a 2022 4th-round pick

3. Toronto Maple Leafs protecting Justin Holl and Alex Kerfoot over Jared McCann in the 2021 Seattle Kraken expansion draft

4. Toronto Maple Leafs acquire Denis Malgin from the Florida Panthers in exchange for Mason Marchment

5. Toronto Maple Leafs sign free agent Petr Mrazek to a three-year, $11.4M contract ($3.8M AAV)

Honourable mention: Allowing Frederik Andersen to walk in free agency to sign a two-year, $9M contract ($4.5M AAV) with the Carolina Hurricanes
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#3 IS 100% WRONG, Kerfoot was Not protected.
#4 and #5 were pretty bad.
#4 though was to give the player a chance, as he couldnt crack our lineup, but, then they played Malgin who shouldnt have been able to crack our lineup either, which made it worse.
#5 was a bad signing even in concept
#6 Murray signing.
letting Anderson walk wasnt bad, Campbell had been outplaying him and earned a chance, then he blew it.
 
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mydnyte said:
#3 IS 100% WRONG, Kerfoot was Not protected.
#4 and #5 were pretty bad.
#4 though was to give the player a chance, as he couldnt crack our lineup, but, then they played Malgin who shouldnt have been able to crack our lineup either, which made it worse.
#5 was a bad signing even in concept
#6 Murray signing.
letting Anderson walk wasnt bad, Campbell had been outplaying him and earned a chance, then he blew it.
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If it was just Holl isn't that bad enough lol

mydnyte said:
#3 IS 100% WRONG, Kerfoot was Not protected.
#4 and #5 were pretty bad.
#4 though was to give the player a chance, as he couldnt crack our lineup, but, then they played Malgin who shouldnt have been able to crack our lineup either, which made it worse.
#5 was a bad signing even in concept
#6 Murray signing.
letting Anderson walk wasnt bad, Campbell had been outplaying him and earned a chance, then he blew it.
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If it was just Holl isn't that bad enough lol
 
3blizzard4 said:
Shanny makes 7 mil a year. Would love to see his list of responsibilities.
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Posted this on mainboard thread but it bears repeating here, Shanny seems to be avoiding a lot of blame for rthe mess the Leafs find themselves in when really its his fault.

I am not a Kyle Dubas fan by any stretch of the imagination, He tied his hands with The contracts to the Core 4 and has spent the last 4 years trying to plug holes in his roster, always seeming to have enough resources to buy 2 less plugs than he has holes. Without moving one of the core 4, not sure anybody could have done much better than he did.

That said, the mess the Leaf's find themselves in, no GM Core 4 getting NMC/NTC on July 1 st. 2 of the 4 one year away from UFA on July 1st with no ability to negotiate an extension until July 1 when players have all the cards is all on Shanahan.

Shannahan is the guy who removed an experienced GM and gave the job of the teams most impt contract extensions to an inexperienced Dubas. Where would they be today if LOU was left in for at least a year to negotiate those extensions?

Shannahan is the guy that went into this year with a lame duck GM on an expiring contract knowing full well the problem with the July 1 NMC's and the need to extend or trade these guys.

Shannahan is the guy who did not get an extension done with Dubas or have a plan B if he couldn't do one or chose not to bring Dubas back.

The mess the Leafs find themselves in is not on Dubas, its on Shannahan. Typically in Leaf land it seems the plan is to blame the guy who is gone. Its not Dubas fault he has no cap space, its Lou signing Marleau to a 3rd year when Dubas full well knew the Marleau contract was there when he spent all the money, just Like Shannahan knew of the July 1st NMC bomb when he was unprepared with a backup plan.

The much vaunted Shannaplan seems to be not much more than wing it and hope for the best.
 
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mydnyte said:
this part i agree with, but, Holl was sill a cheap #4 d-man then, he just went to next level suckiness afterwards, but, i wouldnt have protected him.
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I disagree. Holl always looked like crap. McCann is another hint that Dubas doesn't know jack about hockey. No wonder Shanny basically ran the show from the shadows.

NuHockey was dumb loser hockey now proven
 
4 days post Dubas being let go, and still no trace of a Shanaplan 2.0. Not even a whisper. I love having no direction heading into one of the busiest off-season's in recent history.
 
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mydnyte said:
#3 IS 100% WRONG, Kerfoot was Not protected.
#4 and #5 were pretty bad.
#4 though was to give the player a chance, as he couldnt crack our lineup, but, then they played Malgin who shouldnt have been able to crack our lineup either, which made it worse.
#5 was a bad signing even in concept
#6 Murray signing.
letting Anderson walk wasnt bad, Campbell had been outplaying him and earned a chance, then he blew it.
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#7 overpayments (Matty, Tavares, Marner, Nylander, AJ, Kappy)
#8 letting Hyman walk
#9 first (Jarvis) to dump Marleau to overpay Marner
#10 Brown to Ottawa as a sacrificial lamb to dump Z
#11 Simmonds over Perry
#12 Sparks over McBackup
#13 Ritchie
#14 traded for Soup and Cliffy who both turned into duds
#15 Rittich for a 3rd
 
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TheTotalPackage said:
Is it not the least bit suspicious that these behind-the-scenes stuff never came to light before? We never heard a whisper about it -- which the media is all over if it were -- yet now all of a sudden we're finding out Dubas was handcuffed in his job? I'm far too skeptical to be buying it.
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Frank Seravalli had actually reported back in mid April, well before the Dubas contract stuff was ultimately decided that there has been a growing rift over some time between him and Shanny.

Insider reporting a rift forming in Leafs' front office involving Kyle Dubas

Daily Faceoff's Frank Seravalli is reporting that there is a bit of a rift forming between two high-ranking front office employees in Toronto
www.mapleleafsinsider.com www.mapleleafsinsider.com

I think it's fair to point out there hasnt been a ton of a ton of coverage on this issue, which may very well be down to the fact that it was more on the interpersonal level between those two men, they probably weren't having screaming matches at Scotiabank lol that others could hear about.

Personally, reading between the lines of a bit of the stuff that's come out, I suspect Shanahan simply significantly underestimated how much the relationship had deteriorated and hadn't done enough due diligence in the lead up to last week to make sure everything was fine. Then everything just quickly snowballed into an avalanche in a short amount of time
 
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DarkKnight said:
Bunkis with a new strong take for the Dubists saying he didn’t get to do what he wanted: then why is this organization littered everywhere with Soo Greyhound connections?

So so true.
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Lol. Of course he did what he wanted. I hate this ownership narrative that they are running hockey ops. That's false and I know this for a fact. This is Dubas' camp trying to paint a negative picture so he can save face.
 
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Twine Tickler said:
4 days post Dubas being let go, and still no trace of a Shanaplan 2.0. Not even a whisper. I love having no direction heading into one of the busiest off-season's in recent history.
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CJ says they haven't started interviewing GMs. Nuts if true cause I was expecting new GM to be announced by end of the month.
 
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Twine Tickler said:
4 days post Dubas being let go, and still no trace of a Shanaplan 2.0. Not even a whisper. I love having no direction heading into one of the busiest off-season's in recent history.
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I mean how would we know what the plan is or even what the new vision will be until a GM is actually hired and who'll be our coach?

Did you expect us to hire a new GM literally like 3 days after Dubas was let go? That would almost be assuming that Shanny has always known who will be the next hire when that might not be the case and they could currently be going over many names and some names could start to become available that they previously didn't believe would be.

I would agree with your point if this was say 10-14 days from now and the panic because of time would make sense but I think to get outraged over this, this soon (not even 7 days after) is a bit much.
 
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Menzinger said:
Frank Seravalli had actually reported back in mid April, well before the Dubas contract stuff was ultimately decided that there has been a growing rift over some time between him and Shanny.

Insider reporting a rift forming in Leafs' front office involving Kyle Dubas

Daily Faceoff's Frank Seravalli is reporting that there is a bit of a rift forming between two high-ranking front office employees in Toronto
www.mapleleafsinsider.com www.mapleleafsinsider.com

I think it's fair to point out there hasnt been a ton of a ton of coverage on this issue, which may very well be down to the fact that it was more on the interpersonal level between those two men, they probably weren't having screaming matches at Scotiabank lol that others could hear about.

Personally, reading between the lines of a bit of the stuff that's come out, I suspect Shanahan simply significantly underestimated how much the relationship had deteriorated and hadn't done enough due diligence in the lead up to last week to make sure everything was fine. Then everything just quickly snowballed into an avalanche in a short amount of time
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I remember this being posted and it was laughed at. People accused frank doing it for clicks.
 
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