Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Stephen]

And things get even more interesting

P.S. I wanted Dubas away from the Leafs so I don't care if he left or fired. I am just happy. Wanted to put this disclaimer lol

Shoot your shot but don’t miss…

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

At this point Dubas has to come out with his side of the story. I can say with certainty Dubas will not be getting any recommendation from Shanahan within hockey circles if this is true.

It’s a small club.

There aren’t too many secrets.

Look what happened to Ted Nolan when he tried to go around Muckler.

 

[myleafs]

I don’t understand why you wouldn’t negotiate that in private with Shanahan. Why Dubas didn’t sit down with him and talk about the things he didn’t like on the contract. Not say ok, go to a press conference, bring his family into it, ghost Shanny for a few days and then deliver a new contract offer?

head scratching stupid, guy drank his own kool-aid

 

[capfit9]

he unfollowed the leafs and shanahan on twitter apparently based on a couple posts earlier in the thread of course he won't be getting any "recommendation"

have a feeling he'll be following the pens

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

I stopped reading at “most talented player in franchise history“ 34 isn’t in the top 10 let alone top 20 greatest Maple Leafs, whoever wrote this doesn’t know shit about hockey let alone the history of the Blue and White. Pathetic………….

The entire article seems more about the inclusive culture she feels Dubas built versus anything to do with his performance in the job.

 

[myleafs]

It's quite possible he did and then Shanahan said he wouldn't budge on the contract. Dubas could have walked away but then media and fans would blame him for the "mess" left behind.

I think there is a lot here that we don't know about. Did Shanahan even truly want Dubas back?

Why offer 5 years and then not sit down to hammer out a deal if both sides truly wanted to be together for 5 years?

It doesn't add up.

The only thing that adds up I think is that Shanny felt that Dubas was playing him (and the organization) and after everything Shanny and the leafs have done for Kyles career I imagine he was surprised, hurt, and pissed.

 

[ULF_55]

CJ's credibility is less than zero and his takes are based on him seeing his income slipping away.

I read posts here all the time from zero credibility sources.

A mucked up MLSE is small in comparison.

Core returning wouldn't nearly as whacked.

 

[PromisedLand]

Whatever the case might be. dubas not associated with the Leafs is the BEST THING to have happened to this franchise since we drafted Matthews.

 

[andora]

LarryT is very hands on. He has always been hands on and that goes all the way back the JFJ. Everyone knows it, in the recent article posted here from The Hockey News (Rachel Doerrie) she even goes into it about how LarryT is always in the dressing room and here and there.

Dubas is just dumb for saying, hey bosses I know it's your money but I don't want to ask you to spend it, and give me the private jet and 3m on top of what you offered. So stupid.

Being hands on is different than being around though

Is he in the room discussing trades or suggesting players or scouting prospects

 

[thewave]

Being hands on is different than being around though

Is he in the room discussing trades or suggesting players or scouting prospects

Some people say that he was the one that stopped JFJ from blowing it up back when.

 

[andora]

Some people say that he was the one that stopped JFJ from blowing it up back when.

Ok.. i still equate a rebuild as a massive undertaking that would need ownership approval... and is imperative to have the right guy handling it

 

[capfit9]

Guess Simmons isn’t on the Dubas payroll……..

He is on Mark Hunter's though

 

[1specter]

The fact that Doug Armstrong's name keeps popping up seemingly out of nowhere when he's under contract until 2026 is very interesting. Almost wonder if he's the one sending out feelers, it's really odd otherwise to be discussing a guy who's job seems to be fairly secure for multiple years and nobody was speculating about before the Leafs role opened up.

Or maybe it's Shanahan speaking it into existence lol

 

[seventieslord]

Yes.

The Leafs have a lot of cap space. I ran it through CapFriendly but had to make some assumptions which I also verified on sites that predict such things.

Samsonov at $3M
Bertuzzi at $5.5M
O'Rielly at $4.5M

Are the big ones. We have space for sure.

ROR is a wildcard because he might like it here and think he has a chance to win, and he's made enough money. 4.5M might be possible. Even less, who knows.

But Sammy at 3M seems like a real stretch. I know he's an RFA but still... And Bertuzzi looked great in the playoffs and must be seen as somewhat of a unicorn as a UFA. Can you really rule out a bidding war that takes him up to 7.5?

 

[HofT]

OPINION: MAPLE LEAFS PARTING WITH KYLE DUBAS RINGS ALARM BELLS​

https://thehockeynews.com/news/opinion-maple-leafs-parting-with-kyle-dubas-rings-alarm-bells?fbclid=IwAR20cgbMIzWBE46w_aRiglfRkxHWIYiVZQhic18xoL_Rw1BJzIFMu06TbgE

 

[7even]

Seems weird that Freidman would say this.

If the board doesn't say much (I believe Tanenbaum would be hands-off, not sure about the others), this should be a non-issue.




I honestly just want to know more about this and have both sides to get a better idea, I feel like this is such a mess.

I don't see anything that's unbelievable about that. This is MLSE. This is the same board that tried very hard to get Masai Ujiri fired. The people who are trying to construe the past week as a bald positive are either very young, selectively amnesiac, or haven't yet sobered up from mainlining 2gs of fractionally distilled schadenfreude last Friday. The thing with MLSE is that you put the shovel in the ground, start digging, and realize very quickly it's just 40ft of raw manure straight down. Bell and Rogers can kindly f*** right out of my favourite hockey team's decision making process, thank you very much.

 

[3blizzard4]

The players being under the impression they're all coming back doesn't mean much. Shanahan is a good politician and will tell them what they want to hear.

“Don’t worry boys. You will still not be held accountable for anything.”

 

[Leafs at Knight]

You also don't want the rest of the league believing that you have to trade one of the 4 because then teams will just send lowball offers.

Make it seem like everyone is staying and if some other team is interested in one of them, then you need to really pay up.

The rest of the league aren't dumb. They know the circus situation the leafs are in, and that includes the big 4. They aren't going to the leafs a favour and overpay when they know the leafs are the ones down bad.

Going to be funny when all the big 4 stay and we do worse next year.

 

[socko]

Shanahan was the one who needed to be fired first.

 

[rocketman588]

I don't see anything that's unbelievable about that. This is MLSE. This is the same board that tried very hard to get Masai Ujiri fired. The people who are trying to construe the past week as a bald positive are either very young, selectively amnesiac, or haven't yet sobered up from mainlining 2gs of fractionally distilled schadenfreude last Friday. The thing with MLSE is that you put the shovel in the ground, start digging, and realize very quickly it's just 40ft of raw manure straight down. Bell and Rogers can kindly f*** right out of my favourite hockey team's decision making process, thank you very much.

If by fired you mean they had a long intense contact negotiation that ended up working out for everyone involved then yes they tried to get him "fired"

The biggest impediment to trying to resign Masai seems to be that your golden boy handed babs a 25 million dollar pay out right before his negations occured

 

[Leafs at Knight]

To Toronto: Jake Muzzin

To L.A.: 2019 first-round pick, Carl Grundstrom and Sean Durzi


To Toronto: Jack Campbell, Kyle Clifford*

To L.A.: Trevor Moore, 2020 third-round pick, 2021 conditional third-round pick


To Toronto: Nick Foligno

To Columbus: 2021 first-round pick, 2022 fourth-round pick
To Toronto: Mark Giordano*, Colin Blackwell

To Seattle: 2022 second-round pick (No. 58 overall; Niklas Kokko), 2023 second-round pick, 2024 third-round pick

To Toronto: Ryan O’Reilly and Noel Accari
To St Louis: Toronto 1st rd pick in 23, Toronto 2nd rd pick in 24 and Toronto 3rd rd pick in 23.

O’Reilly was fine but 3 top picks for a month?

Gave away another 1st for Chicago to take Mrazek

Acquiring Matt Murray as your starting goalie.

3rd for Rittich who played 3 games

1st for McCabe

Overpaid Matthews and Marner

Signed Tavares to one of the most putrid contracts

Kadri for Kerfoot and Barrie


Worst GM ever? Likely in the conversation

I mean some of those are solid trades lol. He was pretty hit or miss unfortunately though.

 

[CrazyJoeDavola]

Ghost Shanny for three days? Dubas was running planning meetings throughout the week that we know about, those of which Shanahan was present, which means the two were working and conversing a fair amount over the course of the last week. Y'all are falling for the MLSE spin machine.

head scratching stupid, guy drank his own kool-aid

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I don't see anything that's unbelievable about that. This is MLSE. This is the same board that tried very hard to get Masai Ujiri fired. The people who are trying to construe the past week as a bald positive are either very young, selectively amnesiac, or haven't yet sobered up from mainlining 2gs of fractionally distilled schadenfreude last Friday. The thing with MLSE is that you put the shovel in the ground, start digging, and realize very quickly it's just 40ft of raw manure straight down. Bell and Rogers can kindly f*** right out of my favourite hockey team's decision making process, thank you very much.

In MLSE's defense that was primarily Roger's side iirc regarding Ujiri. Bell(mostly) and Tannenbaum wanted him back.

 

[Antropovsky]

Watch it's going to come out that MLSE blocked a Tkachuk for Marner trade last offseason.

 

[Stephen]

At this point Dubas has to come out with his side of the story. I can say with relative certainty Dubas will not be getting any recommendation from Shanahan within hockey circles if this is true.

At this point, Kyle is doing the right thing laying low and playing out the tit for tat with trusted media sources to push back on the narrative... Let it blow over, move onto another gig. I don't think it would set him up well in a corporate environment to start throwing bombs at MLSE and Shanahan since he would likely still be working as an NHL executive, and you don't want the reputational damage of someone who got everyone around him fired in your career advancement. That's the kind of thing that's gotten people blackballed in the game when you go up against your boss in public...