Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[PromisedLand]

I somehow think the Illuminati is involve with this whole thing

I see a new group uprising -> "Dubasimati"

 

[leafan11]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/opinion-maple-leafs-parting-with-kyle-dubas-rings-alarm-bells

Look at the author someone who keeps getting fired from all her jobs.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Look at the author someone who keeps getting fired from all her jobs.

A very close friend knows her, not professional or cut out for this line of work even if she's a nice person.

 

[trellaine201]

I don't think Pridham is loyal to Dubas, if anything Dubas was the one leaning on Pridham to manage the cap.

Oh ok. I’ll take that as a positive.

Keefe needs to go.

Would be absolute assanine for the Leafs to keep him. They need to let the new GM pick his guy. Gosh I hope this doesn’t go off the rails like it did in and does in Vancouver

 

[57 Years No Cup]

So Dubas didn't want that?

Dubas wanted to make a change?

GM Shanny.

CJ's credibility is less than zero and his takes are based on him seeing his income slipping away.

 

[phillipmike]

We literally saw him negotiate a trade on camera

Dude added another pick on the spot

He might have had to run stuff by Shanny maybe but it's hilarious to think he had to call up a dude at Rodgers to make trades

I could believe that he needed board approval on big stuff like the Tavares signing and Babcock firing (like most GMs do) but if Dubas wants me to believe that he didnt have full autonomy when he brought in the following Soo alum;

Rasmus Sandin
Mac Hollowell
Jake Muzzin
Jack Campbell
Robin Lehner
Wayne Simmonds
Joe Thornton
Jared McCann
Michael Bunting
Nick Ritchie
Matt Murray
Connor Timmins

When by my count, Lou, Nonis and Burke only brought in 1 combine; David Broll.

Not to mention coaching staff and front office;

Sheldon Keefe
Chris Roque
Victor Carneiro
Richard Rotenberg
Wes Clark
A.J. MacLean
Jon Elkin

Also include former Soo players signed for the AHL/ECHL;

Ray Emery
Ryan Sproul
Andrew Campbell
Jack Kopacka

Also players that Dubas acquired/signed or re-signed players from the agency he used to work at (Raze/Uptown Sports);

-Byron Froese
-Calvin Pickard
-Joe Blandisi
-Kyle Clifford
-Mike Giordano
-Sam Carrick
-Zach Hyman
-Calle Jarnkrok

 

[notdoneyet]

And if Nylander isn’t traded and Keefe isn’t canned….

Keefe is gone for sure
Nylander it will depend on his asking price.
July 1 st he has a 10 team no trade clause
And if its too much the next gm wont play his holding out for three month’s game

 

[shaner8989]

To Toronto: Jake Muzzin

To L.A.: 2019 first-round pick, Carl Grundstrom and Sean Durzi


To Toronto: Jack Campbell, Kyle Clifford*

To L.A.: Trevor Moore, 2020 third-round pick, 2021 conditional third-round pick


To Toronto: Nick Foligno

To Columbus: 2021 first-round pick, 2022 fourth-round pick
To Toronto: Mark Giordano*, Colin Blackwell

To Seattle: 2022 second-round pick (No. 58 overall; Niklas Kokko), 2023 second-round pick, 2024 third-round pick

To Toronto: Ryan O’Reilly and Noel Accari
To St Louis: Toronto 1st rd pick in 23, Toronto 2nd rd pick in 24 and Toronto 3rd rd pick in 23.

O’Reilly was fine but 3 top picks for a month?

Gave away another 1st for Chicago to take Mrazek

Acquiring Matt Murray as your starting goalie.

3rd for Rittich who played 3 games

1st for McCabe

Overpaid Matthews and Marner

Signed Tavares to one of the most putrid contracts

Kadri for Kerfoot and Barrie


Worst GM ever? Likely in the conversation

 

[57 Years No Cup]

When has Shanny ever demonstrated he wants a physical game?

He seems like he feels guilty about the way he played and is now outspoken about concussions and fighting. The changes he pushed in 2005 made the game softer and more dependent on the PP. His time on the DOPS oversaw an increase in suspensions for borderline calls. The coach he handpicked was Mike “the powerplay is our enforcer” Babcock who refused to play guys like Martin in the playoffs. Now he wants to bring the soft core 4 back.

Other than his “killer instinct” comment is Shanny on record ANYWHERE calling for more physicality?

Maybe it’s not him but it’s Rogers/Bell needing a kosher product to push that can’t have guys concussing people when the corporate level has a big stake in mental health for their PR. Players get less physical when they come here, it happens enough that it must be a push from some level of the organization. If that push survives Dubas and Keefe leaving, clearly it wasn’t coming from them.

I 100% believe the bolded to be the case. That said, we're going to find out very soon. The evidence will be definitive.

 

[thewave]

Look at the author someone who keeps getting fired from all her jobs.

There sounds to be some truth in her article. I wouldn't be shocked that the board stepped in because I can safely say if I were the owner of the Leafs I would be livid about that performance. I would want Keefe and Dubas gone. I would be getting right on the business of trading Marner and if it's true about Matthews having a major injury, no problem.

The performance was terrible. Things needed a shake up.

 

[phillipmike]

I don't think Pridham is loyal to Dubas, if anything Dubas was the one leaning on Pridham to manage the cap.

That is how see it. Leafs hired Dubas on July 22, 2014 as AGM and Pridham 27 days later on August 19th for the same role as AGM. Since Pridham was coming from the NHL as a Director, this stuff had to be in the works for weeks if not months. So this was Shanny hiring Dubas and Pridham. Im pretty sure Pridham is loyal to Shanny. Pridham worked for Lou for 3 years and when Lou was tossed aside, he stuck around with Kyle. Shanny let Pridham have permission to speak with Calgary for the GM job and he didnt get it, so i cant imagine Pridham not being happy here. I expect him to stick around for at least a few years under the new GM.

No way Dubas had a role in Pridham's hiring less than a month on the job for AGM where he was just hired for the same position.

 

[notdoneyet]

I wouldn't read too much into the core 4 staying together thing yet. If they actually do bring all 4 back they deserve all the damnation in the world but they can't tell each player they're looking to trade them right now until they sort out the GM situation.

He is letting the core four decide if they want to stay together. Here is what we will give you if thats not enoughthen dont let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

Then he can say we offered them a great contract they needed more and it want a number we were comfortable with.

In other words yes we want to keep the core together but its up to them

 

[Rubyblue]

You have to also look at the product on the ice. Dubas is a good drafter and identifier of skill, I'll give him that. But he's horrible at contracts and makes to many moves when trying to solve a problem. I personally think he failed at the deadline. He made to many moves and are shot totals reversed as soon as the moves were made. We were regularly getting outshot as soon as the new players stepped in. I done care if Mcabe can hit the man can't control the puck or make a simple outlet pass so the puck stays in our zone for more shots against. It's the right move regardless of the drama. Hopefully someone will come in to normalize contracts and transactions. P.S were not moving Marner, we wouldn't be guaranteed playoffs if we did lol.

How is he a good drafter?

 

[notdoneyet]

There sounds to be some truth in her article. I wouldn't be shocked that the board stepped in because I can safely say if I were the owner of the Leafs I would be livid about that performance. I would want Keefe and Dubas gone. I would be getting right on the business of trading Marner and if it's true about Matthews having a major injury, no problem.

The performance was terrible. Things needed a shake up.

I know your agenda is to get marner traded but unfortunately for you its not happening

 

[Antropovsky]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/opinion-maple-leafs-parting-with-kyle-dubas-rings-alarm-bells

Meh.... She's speculating too. Dubas held a press conference against Shanahans advice, aired dirty laundry casting negative attention to the ownership and Shanahans leadership group and then sent a contract counter offer to Shanahan afterwards.

Dubas fired himself when he basically said that he's not sure he wants to do the job anymore. Imagine if any one of your companies leaders held a conference and publically said they're not sure they want to do the job anymore. That's not very inspiring words from a "leader". I'd start second guessing if I want to be there myself.

If there was one thing this team absolutely needs most, it's "leadership"....and Dubas walked out and created more leadership questions. I know as a fan, I'm just begging for someone to step and fearlessly lead this team.

 

[capfit9]

CJ's credibility is less than zero and his takes are based on him seeing his income slipping away.

I think it's more about CJ or the Athletic (Mirtle) wanting first dips on Dubas' side of the story for clicks. But CJ's shilling for Dubas has certainly made some dent on his cred kinda like Dreger's shilling for Marner during his contract negotiations.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I could believe that he needed board approval on big stuff like the Tavares signing and Babcock firing (like most GMs do) but if Dubas wants me to believe that he didnt have full autonomy when he brought in the following Soo alum;

Rasmus Sandin
Mac Hollowell
Jake Muzzin
Jack Campbell
Robin Lehner
Wayne Simmonds
Joe Thornton
Jared McCann
Michael Bunting
Nick Ritchie
Matt Murray
Connor Timmins

When by my count, Lou, Nonis and Burke only brought in 1 combine; David Broll.

Not to mention coaching staff;

Sheldon Keefe
Chris Roque
Victor Carneiro
Richard Rotenberg
Wes Clark
A.J. MacLean
Jon Elkin

Also include former Soo players signed for the AHL/ECHL;

Ray Emery
Ryan Sproul
Andrew Campbell
Jack Kopacka

Also players that Dubas acquired/signed or re-signed players from the agency he used to work at (Raze/Uptown Sports);

-Byron Froese
-Calvin Pickard
-Joe Blandisi
-Kyle Clifford
-Mike Giordano
-Sam Carrick
-Zach Hyman
-Calle Jarnkrok

I would love to see Dubas loyalists explain how it was actually Shanny and not Kyle who had this weird obsession with the Soo.

 

[notbias]

Stole someone else's summary on this, but how involved is the board in hockey trades?

I really want to know more about this. I think it is too hard to tell who is the issue here unless we know how involved different levels are and what streamlining meant.

Also, can people stop saying it was about the money since Shanny said it wasn't and this makes it seem like it wasn't either...


From Friedman (summarized by someone else)

• The structure was Dubas > Shanahan > The Board > The Board thinks about it > back to Shanahan > Back to Dubas
• Friedman says that he initially heard that Dubas wanted to cut Shanahan out and report directly to the board, but after additional digging doesn't think that's true.
• Dubas wanted to "streamline" the process because he felt like things couldn't get done with the big decisions they had ahead this offseason
• Dubas was worried about things getting out and decisions not being made quick enough.
• Friedman says "In addition to everything Shanahan spelled out publically, people told me that that particular request was not well received, and after, when they heard that Dubas had kind of proposed this, they were not surprised things ended up the way they did"

 

[Leaf Fans]

First question anyone should ask Kyle Dubas at a job interview this summer: what has changed about the family stress you mentioned Monday May 15th, 2023?

You can't help but get a read on his character from the answer.

"I changed my mind." = Flaky
"I discussed it with my family and they're fine." [/I]

People change their minds all the time. Unemployment can easily induce a change of mind.
He did discuss it with his family and had decided to take the job last Wednesday evening according to the Shannahan timeline. So going elsewhere is perfectly compatible with Monday.
Though based on what I have read and listened to, one sided as it is, points to a power struggle. Though I don't draw a conclusion yet.

 

[All Mod Cons]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/opinion-maple-leafs-parting-with-kyle-dubas-rings-alarm-bells

Jesus Christ, she managed to get Shanny's name wrong after about a dozen words.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I would love to see Dubas loyalists explain how it was actually Shanny and not Kyle who had this weird obsession with the Soo.

I would love to actually meet a Dubas loyalist. Especially because that is something that I have been labeled as in the past as well as Dubasite and member of the Dubas cult and those things were just imaginary titles in the ravings of some posters.

 

[leafs in five]

"Please state the reason you're calling Rogers today. If you're looking for permission for a trade, please say I'd just a GM and I need permission for a trade."

"I'm sorry you're having trouble. Please call back later."

nailed it again

 

[conFABulator]

Have you checked whether the team can even stay under the cap making those moves? You're talking about re-signing players we acquired at the deadline when they only cost us about a quarter of their salary. That's the only reason the leafs were able to go into the playoffs with all these guys. It's a totally different thing to expect them to be able to have them all on the roster at the start of the season and be cap compliant.

Yes.

The Leafs have a lot of cap space. I ran it through CapFriendly but had to make some assumptions which I also verified on sites that predict such things.

Samsonov at $3M
Bertuzzi at $5.5M
O'Rielly at $4.5M

Are the big ones. We have space for sure.

 

[All Mod Cons]

I would love to actually meet a Dubas loyalist. Especially because that is something that I have been labeled as in the past as well as Dubasite and member of the Dubas cult and those things were just imaginary titles in the ravings of some posters.

There are loads of them. Fairly easy to find and meet.

 

[PromisedLand]

its simmons so not sure how to take this but hey... its something i guess