Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[rocketman588]

Nothing floated from the Dubas camp makes any logical sense if you thought things through.

1) The pressure of the job is hard on family life. He may take time to step away from his post. But he spoke to the public before his family.

2) The job strain on the family was an unknown factor on the home life on Monday afternoon. By Thursday, Dubas was ready to assume even more responsibilities by 'streamlining' the process, presumably taking some of Shanahan's reporting duties to the board. Ok, that's one way to deal with work stress, take on even more...

3) MLSE is so dysfunctional with meddlesome owners which may impact the critical negotiations this summer. Okay, on the surface it sounds like a reasonable, time honoured critique of MLSE. However, the approval of the board doesn't go away with a streamlined reporting structure. It just cuts out a layer of management above the GM level.

4) Shanahan put his foot down pretty quickly and decisively on Friday, assuming with board support before Victoria Day Long Weekend. So how dysfunctional is MLSE when they can move that quickly on a big item?

The only framing from the Dubas side I've seen is the suggestion that job is a pain in the butt, we are mired in chaos as a backwards organization. Everyone else is incompetent, and you'll be lucky to have me (Dubas) reluctantly return and solve the problems no one else can and Shanny can kick rocks and go the way of Lamoriello, Hunter and Babcock.

I dunno man, you'd have to think the board of directors are seasoned political and corporate operators, as is Shanahan, and they acted very decisively.

We literally saw him negotiate a trade on camera

Dude added another pick on the spot

He might have had to run stuff by Shanny maybe but it's hilarious to think he had to call up a dude at Rodgers to make trades

 

[justashadowof]

We literally saw him negotiate a trade on camera

Dude added another pick on the spot

He might have had to run stuff by Shanny maybe but it's hilarious to think he had to call up a dude at Rodgers to make trades

"Please state the reason you're calling Rogers today. If you're looking for permission for a trade, please say I'd just a GM and I need permission for a trade."

"I'm sorry you're having trouble. Please call back later."

 

[andora]

We literally saw him negotiate a trade on camera

Dude added another pick on the spot

He might have had to run stuff by Shanny maybe but it's hilarious to think he had to call up a dude at Rodgers to make trades

What video/production?

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Nothing floated from the Dubas camp makes any logical sense if you thought things through.

1) The pressure of the job is hard on family life. He may take time to step away from his post. But he spoke to the public before his family.

2) The job strain on the family was an unknown factor on the home life on Monday afternoon. By Thursday, Dubas was ready to assume even more responsibilities by 'streamlining' the process, presumably taking some of Shanahan's reporting duties to the board. Ok, that's one way to deal with work stress, take on even more...

3) MLSE is so dysfunctional with meddlesome owners which may impact the critical negotiations this summer. Okay, on the surface it sounds like a reasonable, time honoured critique of MLSE. However, the approval of the board doesn't go away with a streamlined reporting structure. It just cuts out a layer of management above the GM level.

4) Shanahan put his foot down pretty quickly and decisively on Friday, assuming with board support before Victoria Day Long Weekend. So how dysfunctional is MLSE when they can move that quickly on a big item?

The only framing from the Dubas side I've seen is the suggestion that job is a pain in the butt, we are mired in chaos as a backwards organization. Everyone else is incompetent, and you'll be lucky to have me (Dubas) reluctantly return and solve the problems no one else can and Shanny can kick rocks and go the way of Lamoriello, Hunter and Babcock.

I dunno man, you'd have to think the board of directors are seasoned political and corporate operators, as is Shanahan, and they acted very decisively.

Bingo.

 

[Martin Skoula]

"Please state the reason you're calling Rogers today. If you're looking for permission for a trade, please say I'd just a GM and I need permission for a trade."

"I'm sorry you're having trouble. Please call back later."

“We are currently experiencing higher than average volume due to the trade deadline. Your call is valuable to us, please stay on the line.”

 

[7even]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Shanny's got some 4D chess going on eh? Saving the org from Kyle's long-standing obstinance? Welcome to the new Leafs, same as the old Leafs, but now with double the corporate politics.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

"Please state the reason you're calling Rogers today. If you're looking for permission for a trade, please say I'd just a GM and I need permission for a trade."

"I'm sorry you're having trouble. Please call back later."

They'll probably like ask you to enter a PIN or something for trade authorization, and then it would only go through if you agree to take part in a post-call survey or some shit.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Of course they are.

In almost every organization there are thresholds to spending approvals.

for example
Manager $X
Director $X+
VP $X++
Pres / CEO $X+++
Board $X++++

Exactly.

 

[ToneDog]

what if we make a deal with Willy that take less on teh contract and we will get Alex to the Leafs

Better yet, Dubas will trade for Wille and a few of the smurfs he drafted here.

 

[Menzinger]

So Dubas didn't want that?

Dubas wanted to make a change?

GM Shanny.

Who knows at this point.

Shanahan offered Dubas an extension, so perhaps this is Dubas' offseason plan just being executed by Shanny himself. Or maybe not.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

I’m guessing that Shanny thought they already had a deal worked out in principle but after the crazy Dubas presser and compounded by the revised proposal Shanny pulled the Plug. Executive‘s like Shanny won’t put up with that

I don’t think we need to guess.

That’s pretty much what Shanahan said happened.

 

[Racer88]

I somehow think the Illuminati is involve with this whole thing

 

[1specter]

The players being under the impression they're all coming back doesn't mean much. Shanahan is a good politician and will tell them what they want to hear.

 

[BallardEra]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/opinion-maple-leafs-parting-with-kyle-dubas-rings-alarm-bells

 

[leafers]

All GMs make mistakes especially if you’re a rookie but all in all imo Dubas is a good GM and I think both him and Shanahan handled this situation poorly.

Dubas just straight up messed up for himself by saying what he said in the press conference and I think his intentions were negotiation based (lousy strategy) and Shanahan might have over analyzed this whole situation and in the end fired someone he actually wanted to keep.

 

[Maple Leaf]

QUick let us sign him or else pittsburge

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Rather have Keefe than Dubas. It wasn't Keefe who decided Jarnkrok, Kerfoot, and Bunting should be the top three LW. Also wasn't Dubas who decided three of Gio, Holl, Lili, Gus should be the leafs 4-6 D.

I have no problem allowing Keefe to finish out his last season without Dubas around with a hopefully different roster.

I doubt that happens now.

Keefe is probably too closely associated with Dubas at this point and it looks like the bad blood is flowing.

I’m guessing once a new GM is in place there will be a purge of everyone closely tied to Dubas.

 

[rocketman588]

What video/production?

All or nothing

When he makes the Foligno trade

 

[trellaine201]

I doubt that happens now.

Keefe is probably too closely associated with Dubas at this point and it looks like the bad blood is flowing.

I’m guessing once a new GM is in place there will be a purge of everyone closely tied to Dubas.

Yea isn’t Pridham tied to Dubas hip? He seems very important. Will he bolt?
“
When the walls come tumblin' down
When the walls come crumblin' crumblin'
When the walls come tumblin' tumblin' down”

 

[Superstar]

Yea isn’t Pridham tied to Dubas hip? He seems very important. Will he bolt?
“
When the walls come tumblin' down
When the walls come crumblin' crumblin'
When the walls come tumblin' tumblin' down”

I don't think Pridham is loyal to Dubas, if anything Dubas was the one leaning on Pridham to manage the cap.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

I believe he also mentioned that Dubas requested a meeting with Doug through Greg Millen because Kyle thought he was about to get fired as GM of the Soo by their owners

Yes, I heard that segment. Very interesting.

 

[thewave]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/opinion-maple-leafs-parting-with-kyle-dubas-rings-alarm-bells

Dubas acted out of character after loss.
Reinforces Matthews "egregious" injury
Keefe constantly out-coached
Marner will not be Leaf next season
Nylander 40goals for 6.9m is hard to replace

I don't think Pridham is loyal to Dubas, if anything Dubas was the one leaning on Pridham to manage the cap.

Pridham was brought in by TimmyL

 

[Menzinger]

If Shanny keeps Keefe as well as the core, the number of heads that explode will be uncountable

 

[hockeywiz542]

Yea isn’t Pridham tied to Dubas hip? He seems very important. Will he bolt?
“
When the walls come tumblin' down
When the walls come crumblin' crumblin'
When the walls come tumblin' tumblin' down”

Brandon Pridham will be the acting general manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs while Brendan Shanahan begins his search for Kyle Dubas’ replacement. It confirms what Shanahan told the media during Friday’s presser: he would be leaning on Toronto Maple Leafs assistant GM Brandon Pridham during this transition phase for the NHL hockey club.

 

[BallardEra]

If Shanny keeps Keefe as well as the core, the number of heads that explode will be uncountable

Keefe needs to go.