Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[stickty111]

Maybe. Or there's a fair chance that there's no immediate plan to trade anyone.

Could see that potentially changing once the new GM is hired and he lays out their plan for the team. But so far despite some folks really wanting there to be a shakeup trade there's been no tangible rumors or evidence from the front office so far since the end of the playoffs that they actually plan on doing that

If the decision is to not make a change to the core 4, letting Dubas go looks more silly

 

[Stand Witness]

If the core 4 are all back, I don’t even really know what to say.

I’ve watched close to every regular season and playoff game since I was 14 years old. This was the first season where I just wasn’t as invested in the regular season because they only thing that mattered for this group was the playoffs.

I have no interest in seeing this team have 9 lives ffs.

 

[PromisedLand]

Nothing floated from the Dubas camp makes any logical sense if you thought things through.

1) The pressure of the job is hard on family life. He may take time to step away from his post. But he spoke to the public before his family.

2) The job strain on the family was an unknown factor on the home life on Monday afternoon. By Thursday, Dubas was ready to assume even more responsibilities by 'streamlining' the process, presumably taking some of Shanahan's reporting duties to the board. Ok, that's one way to deal with work stress, take on even more...

3) MLSE is so dysfunctional with meddlesome owners which may impact the critical negotiations this summer. Okay, on the surface it sounds like a reasonable, time honoured critique of MLSE. However, the approval of the board doesn't go away with a streamlined reporting structure. It just cuts out a layer of management above the GM level.

4) Shanahan put his foot down pretty quickly and decisively on Friday, assuming with board support before Victoria Day Long Weekend. So how dysfunctional is MLSE when they can move that quickly on a big item?

The only framing from the Dubas side I've seen is the suggestion that job is a pain in the butt, we are mired in chaos as a backwards organization. Everyone else is incompetent, and you'll be lucky to have me (Dubas) reluctantly return and solve the problems no one else can and Shanny can kick rocks and go the way of Lamoriello, Hunter and Babcock.

I dunno man, you'd have to think the board of directors are seasoned political and corporate operators, as is Shanahan, and they acted very decisively.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

What they want and what the Leafs should do are completely different things. Their contracts demands will also play a large part of how they are kept moving forward.

I'd keep them together if they took long-term team friendly deals, no doubt.

Yeah the conversation should be we will keep you all if you all fall in line. If Auston thinks he is going to demand 15 million a year and retain all his buddies he is high. Take a reasonable contract, don't make it a fight....if you really want to be here. If you don't then get your money but it might not be here.

 

[geo25]

First question anyone should ask Kyle Dubas at a job interview this summer: what has changed about the family stress you mentioned Monday May 15th, 2023?

You can't help but get a read on his character from the answer.

Will he think some form of BS is the answer? Will he claim that it was a negotiation tactic? Will he acknowledge that it was a power game between him and Shanahan?

I'm not sure there exists a good answer in the summer of 2023.

"I changed my mind." = Flaky
"I discussed it with my family and they're fine." = This and the Monday performance can't possibly both be true.
"I took some bad advice from my agent." = He didn't see this was bad advice?
"It was a power struggle that I lost." = This guy will want my job eventually.

I had to convince my wife Toronto wasnt a good place to raise the kids....

 

[AllDay28]

Chris Johnston: "Brendan Shanahan phoned each of the Leafs top players to share the news about Kyle Dubas. Those players came away from those conversations under the belief that Shanahan's intentions are to bring the entire core 4 back."

old heads in shambles.

First question anyone should ask Kyle Dubas at a job interview this summer: what has changed about the family stress you mentioned Monday May 15th, 2023?

You can't help but get a read on his character from the answer.

Will he think some form of BS is the answer? Will he claim that it was a negotiation tactic? Will he acknowledge that it was a power game between him and Shanahan?

I'm not sure there exists a good answer in the summer of 2023.

"I changed my mind." = Flaky
"I discussed it with my family and they're fine." = This and the Monday performance can't possibly both be true.
"I took some bad advice from my agent." = He didn't see this was bad advice?
"It was a power struggle that I lost." = This guy will want my job eventually.

explains why you'll never run a successful business.

 

[IPS]

Chris Johnston: "Brendan Shanahan phoned each of the Leafs top players to share the news about Kyle Dubas. Those players came away from those conversations under the belief that Shanahan's intentions are to bring the entire core 4 back."

Was this just said now? I never heard anything about this.

 

[DarkKnight]

Is this true that Shanny balked at trading Knies? Any other leaks, because Dubas new found fondness for grit, wonder what role Shanny played there? Was it a Dubas epiphany or Shanny being more involved?

 

[PromisedLand]

Couldnt disagree with you more. Coveted job that many many with clout would love to have. And an experienced and great gm would not do what Dubas did. He made his bed and he has to live with it. Leafs will be fine.

there is no job on the planet where someone doesn't have to "respond" to the owners of the business. heck even a CEO of a publicly traded company has to respond to the share holders.

all this meddling BS by dubas fan club is nothing but smoke. They should get together with dubas and buy NHL franchise to have all the "power"

Maple Leafs and fans are looking for competence, foresight, and effective and efficient management. NOT the garbage that dubas did to the franchise setting us back

 

[LaPlante94]

If the decision is to not make a change to the core 4, letting Dubas go looks more silly

Not exactly, especially when it's sounding like Dubas is the reason why he's gone. He's buddies with someone at the Fenway group so he knows he probably has that job locked up in Pittsburgh and knew it so he tried to get way more than he was worth knowing that and Shanny saw through it. If he didn't and he just demanded that for no reason even after saying he didn't know what he wanted to do then I'm sure he learned a valuable lesson on what not to do when negotiating and maybe it makes him a better GM when it comes to contract negotiations in the future.

 

[AllDay28]

Was this just said now? I never heard anything about this.

CJ said it on the podcast. i actually just heard it



12:45

 

[Stand Witness]

Dreger also confirmed on his podcast that Shanny told the core 4 he wants to keep them together.

 

[ULF_55]

So Dubas didn't want that?

Dubas wanted to make a change?

GM Shanny.

 

[DarkKnight]

All of these guys are now hoping to land the gig so it's in their best interests to sound good. Even one of us from these boards could sound smart when hindsight is 20/20 and it's not your team.

No he’s an intelligent hockey guy who could run circles around us.

 

[LaPlante94]

So Dubas didn't want that?

Dubas wanted to make a change?

GM Shanny.

I'd much rather keep this core 4 and bring in a new coach over trading 1 or 2 of them and keeping Keefe around which is probably what Dubas would've done.

 

[PromisedLand]

“Its Toronto or nowhere” lmao

Hypocrisy at its finest eh?

 

[Mess]

Ownership ultimately decided at the last minute to extend Dubas' and he said no. That was the risk they took by not having a GM in place leith a long term fine the start of this season.

It's fair to say Dubas' hadn't earned it. Then they simply should have gone with someone else months ago.

Imo overall that's not on Dubas. That's a risk that was well understood by having a lame duck GM for several months

Last off season Shanny and ownership after another 1st round exit put Dubas into a "prove it" contract with the belief being playoff success required to extend. How much was left open for debate.

He hadn't earned his new contract in their eyes last year post round #1 loss, and it put him into a lame duck situation on expiring deal.

If playoff success was the trigger for a new contract then how could any new extension discussion occur prior to the results of the 2023 TB round #1 series conclusion at the earliest?

Not sure how/why the organization would replace Dubas (months earlier) prior to the end of the regular season, particularly after Dubas went all in at the TD, when there was an understanding playoff results were the deciding factor. Can you even imagine the chaos if Dubas makes all these TD moves and then MLSE replaces him and lets the next GM get credit or blame for the outcome without lettiing Dubas stand behind his moves?

 

[leafs in five]

The Dubas Fan Boi Club didn’t just “agree” with many of his decisions - - they insisted he was an infallible new age thinker and that every move was a brilliantly crafted decision backed by analytics.

Dubas Fan Boi Club, love it

 

[andora]

This could be setting itself up as a major shock to these guys... they could all be back but with a gm and possibly a new coach

Depending on the coach that will give some information as to who is buying in - provided we move in a different direction with how we play

 

[PromisedLand]

I can tell you as an employer, I wouldn’t look at any potential hire that I found out had left a previous employer and that on their way out tried to inflict damage on their former company.

It looks really bad, and as a potential employer, I would know what I would be facing when that employee ultimately left my company.

So, I don’t think it does Dubas any favours when guys like Spezza immediately resign. Ditto for all the media leaks that seem to be coming out and smell like they might originate from people associated with the Dubas camp. Employees that create a clique within a company and create divisions are also not attractive potential employees.

If I was an owner or hiring executive on another team, I would be taking note of what is going on right now with the Leafs.

"Galaxy Braining" has been one of the mantras of dubas era. And it has always come back to bite them on their collective and dumb asses.

all this galaxy braining too will bite him on his behind. of that am pretty sure

 

[weems]

You also don't want the rest of the league believing that you have to trade one of the 4 because then teams will just send lowball offers.

Make it seem like everyone is staying and if some other team is interested in one of them, then you need to really pay up.

 

[rumman]

he didnt leave he was shown the door and told to leave

He was turfed over greed no doubt, but part of me thinks he wanted to be turfed because even boy wonder know’s there’s no fixing the mess he’s made. This way he gets another gig and the blame will fall on the new guy and Shanahan. A coward to the very end, BS can get you to the top, but it won’t keep you there, in the end he’ll be exposed for the fraud he is. Revenge is a dish best served cold, and if you disagree go ask Babcock, Lou, Hunter et al………

 

[mcleafs]

None of these insiders have any clue what’s going on within the Leafs. That much should be clear to all after the last week.

 

[rumman]

There is management talent galore still in Shanahan's fold. C'mon, it's simply legacy hockey, not like Space-X just lost all their systems engineers in the eleventh hour of a new launcher project. Think Kyle made decisions only confiding in his wife?

We're good.

Good? Probably better off……..

 

[sxvnert]