Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[notdoneyet]

Good luck kyle with your family living in Pittsburgh lol
Dubas didnt want to fire keefe and he didnt want to trade nylander after promising him that as long as he was gm he wouldn’t be traded
This is why he wanted autonomy
Also S far as shanny vetoed a trade which inckuded MAF and hagel the reported ask was knies
No wonder shanny vetoed that deal

 

[PromisedLand]

The team is done no matter who the GM is when MLSE is making and having a say on hockey ops and hockey decisions. This is what you hire presidents for.

Really could be dark ages again if MLSE decides to keeps getting in the way of hockey decisions .

I think all of this is overblown. Major financial decisions have to be cleared by the board. thats common business. When dubas was here he was not spending his own money, he was spending MLSE money. There is no business in the world where when you spend business' money the owners or shareholders are not notified how and on what the money is being spent. It requires "approval"

I don't see anything wrong with that. There is a "budget" every year for hockey, if the sitting GM wants to exceed that budget then it has to be run via the owners. Its as simple as that. Simple example: The freakin' Murray deal. They had already approved a major expense for Babcock sitting at home making 25 million dollars. A competent executive doesn't piss away money like dubas did in his 5 years here.

In terms of hockey operations, if the MLSE board was providing any hockey inputs do you think Dubas pulls the trades he pulled on TDL? He freakin' overturned half the roster in a span of about one month.

In terms of Shanahan, just put yourself in his position. As a president, he is responsible for the GM, and overall hockey decisions. The buck stops with him, when dubas makes decisions it is also a reflection on the president. Hell if I was the president I would have booted dubas long time ago for his incompetence.

Moreover, if dubas was so challenged by the so called 'micromanagement' then why the F did he yap about that he will only be a GM of the Leafs, if not, then he will take a break. Or was that just more play acting?

IMO its quite pathetic how people are bringing in every narrative to absolve dubas of everything. Its not gonna fly because there are critical thinkers in the Leafs Nation who will call out the BS when they see it.

 

[sxvnert]

Why should Shanahan have this job? What are his qualifications to be the highest paid exec in hockey? Apparently the front office and team have gotten worse over his 9 year tenure according to most people.

For starters from his wiki:

- During the 2004–05 NHL lockout, Shanahan was the mastermind of what was dubbed "The Shanahan Summit," a two-day conference in Toronto. It gathered players, coaches and other influential voices to discuss improvements to the flow and tempo of the game. Ten recommendations were presented to both the NHL and National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA).

- In December 2009, Shanahan accepted an offer from the NHL to become the NHL's vice president of hockey and business development

- On June 1, 2011, Shanahan succeeded Colin Campbell as the NHL's Senior Vice President.

Until 2014.

Add in his career, HHOF, cup winner, etc.

Its certainly a heck of a lot more than Dubas had before coming on board.

 

[Fogelhund]

Good luck kyle with your family living in Pittsburgh lol
Dubas didnt want to fire keefe and he didnt want to trade nylander after promising him that as long as he was gm he wouldn’t be traded
This is why he wanted autonomy
Also S far as shanny vetoed a trade which inckuded MAF and hagel the reported ask was knies
No wonder shanny vetoed that deal

And if Nylander isn’t traded and Keefe isn’t canned….

 

[myleafs]

I can tell you as an employer, I wouldn’t look at any potential hire that I found out had left a previous employer and that on their way out tried to inflict damage on their former company.

It looks really bad, and as a potential employer, I would know what I would be facing when that employee ultimately left my company.

So, I don’t think it does Dubas any favours when guys like Spezza immediately resign. Ditto for all the media leaks that seem to be coming out and smell like they might originate from people associated with the Dubas camp. Employees that create a clique within a company and create divisions are also not attractive potential employees.

If I was an owner or hiring executive on another team, I would be taking note of what is going on right now with the Leafs.

I wonder if Shanny is like...."holy shit that was close, I almost gave that guy who had the knife aiming for my back 5 more years, I got to stop drinking for a while.

 

[sxvnert]

I would have been fine with Dubas re-signing.
Unless it meant Keefe stayed.

Keefe has to go, and/or one of the Triple Double.

Rather have Keefe than Dubas. It wasn't Keefe who decided Jarnkrok, Kerfoot, and Bunting should be the top three LW. Also wasn't Dubas who decided three of Gio, Holl, Lili, Gus should be the leafs 4-6 D.

I have no problem allowing Keefe to finish out his last season without Dubas around with a hopefully different roster.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Jack Todd: Maple Leafs' latest display of futility is wildly entertaining

You would think that 56 years and counting of failure would have taught Toronto brass and fans something.

montrealgazette.com

Living six hours up the 401 from Toronto is like watching the NHL’s longest-running soap opera from the cheap seats: As the Leaf Falls, now entering its 57th season.
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Rarely has it been more entertaining than the past week, when in the wake of the Maple Leafs’ loss to the Florida Panthers, GM Kyle Dubas held a Monday press conference in which he expressed doubts that he wanted to continue in the job.

Brendan Shanahan, who believed in the young GM so passionately that he had a new contract ready for him to sign, began to have doubts on the basis of a press conference.

Then Dubas decided he wanted to keep the job after all — but he wanted a pay hike.

Then Shanahan fired him.

What is remarkable is not that the two men in charge of the on-ice product apparently can’t make up their minds about the day of the week — what is noteworthy is that despite the failures, few fans wanted Dubas gone.

A Twitter post from the fan website Editor in Leaf went further, deciding that the game itself was the problem, that the outcome is too random and too dependent on goaltending.

“I just cannot believe,” said the anonymous author, “that so many people in hockey refuse to acknowledge how random the game is. Winning is perhaps the worst measure of success.”

Gee, and all these years I’ve thought that winning was the measure of success. Silly me.

The professional journalists were little better. In a segment for TSN between the Dubas press conference and his firing, one reporter talked about Dubas as though he were a cross between Sam Pollock and Gandhi. Another decided to sound opinions from other GMs in the league — on decisions made by the Leafs.

Coverage is bound to be skewed in favour of the Leafs when the sports networks are owned by the corporations that own the hockey team — but the effect is pervasive. In that atmosphere, it’s difficult for print journalists to be unduly critical, for fear of appearing churlish by comparison.

Instead, journalists focus on the “process” and end up sounding as though they’re PR people at the offices of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment.

The phenomenon, however, goes well beyond the media. Toronto seems to feed off the Maple Leaf culture, and the Leafs feed off Toronto, a city where the fans are as docile as the media. Just once this post-season, fans got up on their hind legs and did the unthinkable: After a miserable first period in Game 1 against Tampa, what is normally the deadest crowd in sports turned on their darlings. They booed the Leafs, loud and long.

The effect was palpable. Toronto lost that game but with a little help from an erratic Andrei Vasilevskiy, the Leafs won their first playoff series in two decades before reverting to form against a disciplined Florida team.

The problem has seemed obvious since Dubas signed John Tavares, even if Toronto doesn’t see it. Perhaps what’s needed is a little distance, like the 910 kilometres between Toronto and Boston. Master hockey writer Kevin Paul Dupont of the Boston Globe cut to the heart of it with merciless accuracy in a single tweet. “The Dubas era ends in Toronto,” Dupont wrote. “Reached round 2 once, with a roster vastly overpriced at forward, undermanned at D, and perpetually in need of varsity goaltending.

“Yet the fans streamed in for all of it. Like a magic trick, sans the hat/rabbit.”

The same tired magic trick that has fooled Toronto since the Harold Ballard years is now dressed up with a high-tech corporate gloss under MLSE, but nothing fundamental has changed. Cities with long-standing hockey traditions have their own culture that reflects the team and is reflected in turn. In Boston, trot out the same bunch of losers year after year and they would knock your front teeth out. In Montreal, fans and media alike veer madly from manic heights of euphoria to the slough of despond, depending whether the team won or lost the night before.

In Toronto, it’s praise the process and wait till next year, when the greatest team in the history of the game will surely win that elusive Stanley Cup. Nor are things likely to improve with Brendan Shanahan and his never-ending Shanaplan.

My advice, which Toronto will ignore: Get mad. Boo. Holler. Hell, stage a riot. That’s what Montreal would do.

OK, I’m joking about the riot. But paying $500 a pop to sit and scroll through your phone while the Leafs fatten their stats with another regular-season win? That’s not going to get it done. At the very least, 56 years of failure should have taught you that much.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Does anyone know how long I have to keep reading people dunking on "Dubas Posters"?

It’s “Dubasites”. Get with it bud.

 

[thinkblue]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/opinion-maple-leafs-parting-with-kyle-dubas-rings-alarm-bells

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

This was a really good listen, excellent quotes from former NHL president and GM Maclean:

“I think Dubas really wanted to stay…and I think he got caught.”

On Dubas’ wavering commitment to coming back at the press conference:

“You just don’t do that.”

Thank you.

Interesting take by Doug.

 

[Menzinger]

 

[ULF_55]

Rather have Keefe than Dubas. It wasn't Keefe who decided Jarnkrok, Kerfoot, and Bunting should be the top three LW. Also wasn't Dubas who decided three of Gio, Holl, Lili, Gus should be the leafs 4-6 D.

I have no problem allowing Keefe to finish out his last season without Dubas around with a hopefully different roster.

I am completely opposite.
That is a great lineup other than players who completely fail when it gets tough. Keefe seldom had them prepared to start games, and talent alone saved them.

 

[3blizzard4]

I would have been fine with Dubas re-signing.
Unless it meant Keefe stayed.

Keefe has to go, and/or one of the Triple Double.

A triple double is very unhealthy at Tim’s and on a hockey team.

 

[ToneDog]

Master hockey writer Kevin Paul Dupont of the Boston Globe cut to the heart of it with merciless accuracy in a single tweet. “The Dubas era ends in Toronto,” Dupont wrote. “Reached round 2 once, with a roster vastly overpriced at forward, undermanned at D, and perpetually in need of varsity goaltending.

“Yet the fans streamed in for all of it. Like a magic trick, sans the hat/rabbit.”

Some fans saw through the smoke and mirrors and called out the 3 stooges.

 

[capfit9]

wouldn't expect him to SAY anything else

 

[SprDaVE]

What they want and what the Leafs should do are completely different things. Their contracts demands will also play a large part of how they are kept moving forward.

I'd keep them together if they took long-term team friendly deals, no doubt.

 

[thewave]

Master hockey writer Kevin Paul Dupont of the Boston Globe cut to the heart of it with merciless accuracy in a single tweet. “The Dubas era ends in Toronto,” Dupont wrote. “Reached round 2 once, with a roster vastly overpriced at forward, undermanned at D, and perpetually in need of varsity goaltending.

“Yet the fans streamed in for all of it. Like a magic trick, sans the hat/rabbit.”

Some fans saw through the smoke and mirrors and called out the 3 stooges.

They basically sound like the few of us. We have said that for years here HILARIOUS!

 

[Buds17]

A triple double is very unhealthy at Tim’s and on a hockey team.

IMO, the hockey team's variety at least has a high reward to go along with the high risk! (I like my Tim's w/o sugar)

 

[capfit9]

Thank you.

Interesting take by Doug.

I believe he also mentioned that Dubas requested a meeting with Doug through Greg Millen because Kyle thought he was about to get fired as GM of the Soo by their owners

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

If the core 4 actually believed this, they really are chumps.

 

[Martin Skoula]

For starters from his wiki:


Add in his career, HHOF, cup winner, etc.

Its certainly a heck of a lot more than Dubas had before coming on board.

What are his wins in those stints?

The 2005 meeting turned the league into a joke of a powerplay festival for years and ruined the flow and tempo of the game. When he comes on as VP, there’s an immediate overcorrection away from 2005 and we get 3 years of a new dead puck era with some of the worst hockey in years. As soon as he leaves for the Leafs, the game gets faster and the NHL starts growing faster with two new teams.

I don’t care where nepotism got him, he hasn’t gotten tangible results anywhere he has worked after his playing career.

 

[PromisedLand]

I think I found it for ya:

The FAN Morning Show

Start your mornings with Ailish Forfar and Justin Cuthbert as they discuss the biggest stories in sports and the teams that matter most to Toronto fans. Airing live on Sportsnet 590 The FAN weekdays from 6am-9am ET.

www.sportsnet.ca

Thanks!

Have a new respect for Luke Fox not taking sides but talking like it is

Mike Futa stuff was very interesting;

- Team Chemistry
- Coaching
- Accountability

Also, liked common sense response from Futa about Matthews' pending contract negotiations and him being a Leaf.

 

[Menzinger]

If the core 4 actually believed this, they really are chumps.

Maybe. Or there's a fair chance that there's no immediate plan to trade anyone.

Could see that potentially changing once the new GM is hired and he lays out their plan for the team. But so far despite some folks really wanting there to be a shakeup trade there's been no tangible rumors or evidence from the front office so far since the end of the playoffs that they actually plan on doing that

 

[DarkKnight]

Wonder if they’re allowing Keefe to talk to any AHL teams? Doesn’t seem fair him sitting there as a lame duck, there is zero chance he returns imo.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

I wonder if Shanny is like...."holy shit that was close, I almost gave that guy who had the knife aiming for my back 5 more years, I got to stop drinking for a while.

I would imagine he’s probably personally disappointed.

He stuck his neck out for Dubas in giving him the GM reins and in the end it seems it ended badly.