Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Stephen]

That was my point the short-term extension based on continuity and look of stability. It sounds like he had very little power with the position needing both President and board approval.

ie, He was simply their puppet and now that the news of Dubas trying to change the power structure and reporting stream confirms GM position in title only. Shanny is really the President and acting GM and Kyle his assistant that does all the busy and leg and phone work sorting through the grunt work, and then only passing upwards any decisions worth higher authority and consideration.

However when the person you agree to keep it stable looking, is the one going off the rails with an unprecedented press conference airing dirty laundry and showing weakness of being overwhelmed by the pressure and stress of the GM job you really have little to lose cutting the stings. IMO

I don't think Kyle Dubas is a puppet. I think they worked by committee in their complex Leaf bubble until it wasn't convenient anymore.

I just think of it as a classic political powerplay. Capitalize on a crisis (pending UFA status of star players), appeal to public sentiment, return as the reluctant leader, isolate all your political adversaries and take over as President, GM under a consolidated portfolio. I don't take it personally, it's not against me, but what was missing here that was worthy of criticism were the lack of victorious campaigns.

You saw a lot of this playbook done by Pat Quinn to lock out Anders Hedberg, Mike Smith, Ken Dryden.

 

[Donnie740]

its a safe space. Say what you really wanna ssay man.

"don't talk facts about my kyle that paint him in the bad light even though its true"

its ok.

You don’t suppose Granny Dubas has an account on here, so you?

 

[myleafs]

Great point. For the record I’m not a big fan of Shanny and something had to be done to change the outcome of this team. Hopefully removing Dubas was the right move but we won’t know for a least a couple of seasons. Going to be interesting that’s for sure

Thank god cause I can say that if they just ran it back I was going to have a tantrum

 

[Superstar]

Lol... Before Lou, the Islanders didn't make the playoffs and also had just lost Tavares. Lou inherited significantly less talent than Dubas did. Lou brought in Lehner, Trotz, Komarov, Fillipula, Martin...and his team went played 17 playoff games, 19 playoff games and 8 playoff games. What has Dubas accomplished? He's done the same, kept the core and added his coach and role players and the team hasn't improved at all.

Winning is about the right goalie, the right coach and the right role players too.

Nah, you just need a core 4...i'm right, and you're wrong...

 

[myleafs]

The entire meddlesome ownership narrative being pushed now is complete bullshit. After the family bit blew up in his face now they need to spin a new narrative to save their cult leader.

What exactly was Dubas not allowed to do?

- Trade every pick possible - Check
- Pay players whatever they waned - Check
- Bring his own coach/friend in - Check
- Fire/Replace Babcock regardless of the millions (24-25m) it cost ownership - Check
- Burying millions in LTIR salary - Check
- Pay top dollar for the marlies to win a championship - Check
- Hire anyone who was remotely interested in hockey - Check
- Build the largest sports science department in the league - Check

yea but he really had his eye on Shannys office

 

[Superstar]

Penguins receive permission to talk to former Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas

The Maple Leafs announced Kyle Dubas was no longer GM last Friday in the aftermath of the team's second-round exit in the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Dubas' contract is set to expire late next month.

www.sportsnet.ca

Penguin's ownership: "So Kyle, do you think you could lock up Crosby, Malkin, and Letang until they retire?"
Dubas: "We can and we will!"

 

[myleafs]

He left bc he doesn’t want to come back as GM apparently due to not enough power.

he didnt leave he was shown the door and told to leave

 

[theTTC]

I think people are likely really underestimating how chaotic things are going to be in the front office for a few weeks. Even after Shanny eventually finds the next GM,.they'll need time to settle things and sort their own people out ect.

Hopefully they have time to figure out the Matthews contract in the meantime

There is management talent galore still in Shanahan's fold. C'mon, it's simply legacy hockey, not like Space-X just lost all their systems engineers in the eleventh hour of a new launcher project. Think Kyle made decisions only confiding in his wife?

We're good.

 

[ToneDog]

The entire meddlesome ownership narrative being pushed now is complete bullshit. After the family bit blew up in his face now they need to spin a new narrative to save their cult leader.

What exactly was Dubas not allowed to do?

- Trade every pick possible - Check
- Pay players whatever they waned - Check
- Bring his own coach/friend in - Check
- Fire/Replace Babcock regardless of the millions (24-25m) it cost ownership - Check
- Burying millions in LTIR salary - Check
- Pay top dollar for the marlies to win a championship - Check
- Hire anyone who was remotely interested in hockey - Check
- Build the largest sports science department in the league - Check

Shanny did say, they blocked a trade(s). No kidding, but they failed to block the Murray trade. Hell Mess saw that a million miles away.

 

[trellaine201]

“Its Toronto or nowhere” lmao

 

[myleafs]

Agreed!

I brought it up before. The proof is in the pudding: -> Marner's NMC kicking in at the same time as Matthews and Nylander's (NTC) "a year earlier btw"; when Dubas' contract is up for negotiation.

It does seem like he tried to create a scenario where he would be needed whether we wanted him or not.

 

[trellaine201]

Penguin's ownership: "So Kyle, do you think you could lock up Crosby, Malkin, and Letang until they retire?"
Dubas: "We can and we will!"

Don’t forget to tell the world you won’t trade them either.

 

[ULF_55]

Shanahan warned Dubas about going live so close to the failure.

His emotions got the best of him, but it could have been negotiating tactic that failed.

The one thing everyone really needs is clarity about what he asked for.
Not the money part, that's always negotiable.
It is the authority part.
If he found he was limited in his authority maybe that was the breaking point?
And if he asking for the ability to bypass Shanahan ... well that wasn't happening.
If he proved Shanahan wasn't required ... when is the last time you succeeded in getting your boss to tell his boss that his position was redundant?

 

[DarkKnight]

The Athletic podcast on Dubas I had to seriously stop listening, Jonas is such a fanboy, even his voice was hurt sounding. What a joke to put on the air.

 

[ToneDog]

Hard to believe one member of the DDL is still defending Dubas. He's out, get over it. Kind of reminds me of the Japanese soldier on Gilligan's island who did not realize WW2 was over.

 

[myleafs]

I am a bit worried that a “game of thrones” front office is going to get close to nothing done.

For better or for worse, I think we need a management team that is going to get some HEAVY lifting done in a month and a half. If this team is too divided, get it sorted out today.

And if Dubas’ concern about the board slowing down the process is true, they need to put it on a temporary hold. We are right on the edge of a full on spiral out of control. Not sure how much time we have to correct it, but July 1st sounds about right.

At this point I dont believe a word he says.

 

[DarkKnight]

Damn missed it. can you link me man? or do a mini-overview?

Don’t know about a link. Just had a great handle on the Leafs and his time in a front office, seemed like he nailed what was wrong with us. I didn’t even know it was him at first, thinking this guy knows his shit, then realized who it was.

 

[PromisedLand]

Friedge contacted his source at MLSE: "It's like Game of Thrones right now"

Lol

 

[Fogelhund]

It’s amazing how emotionally vested some people are in the management of this org.

Yes, the family story was BS, that was obvious from the beginning.

It does appear as though Shanahan vetoed a trade Dubas was working on to acquire MAF and Hagel.

From that point on last year, you didn’t see Shanahan and Dubas together, and there were plenty of rumblings.

No matter what you think of his moves, a GM should have the capability to build their team the way that they want, not have trades blocked. Sure, big contracts should probably be board approved though, but that’s normal.

If management doesn’t have confidence in their GM to make trades without their approval, the GM should be replaced.

These aren’t comments directly at the people involved, just a general belief statement.

As Shanahan has suggested, the dollars was previously agreed to, but it appears Dubas didn’t get the autonomy he asked for. He used the family excuse to stall, then decided to ask for more money in lieu of autonomy. Leafs balked, and here we are. If you wanted Dubas gone, you are happy.

My opinion, time will tell what happens with this org next. I don’t care what the names of the players are, or GM, just win. I always want the GM of the Leafs to succeed, because I want the Leafs to succeed. I don’t care who that GM is.

I do think it will be interesting to hear what Dubas says if/when Pittsburgh or another org hires him. I’d bet he uses the word autonomy in his first media into. When he does, you can guarantee what this is about.

Instead of looking back like so many are prone to do, let’s move forward and focus on hopefully the Leafs achieving what we want them too.

 

[myleafs]

You have to admit, that would be hilarious though.

"The constant barrage of posts from PromisedLand prevented me from performing my duties to the fullest...the constant stress of having my trades and signings analyzed to such a degree simply isn't fair to me and my staff."

"and to top it off my boss wanted me to run multi-million dollar decisions by him even though I havent succeeded like at all yet (but thats not my fault)...can you believe that? like wtf man?,

 

[DarkKnight]

Man I sure hope Dubas lands in Pittsburg. It isn’t going to be pretty trying to replace that “core”. On the plus side, Penguins get a guy who’s learned some tough lessons here, glad we could be his training ground.

 

[BallardEra]

Don’t know about a link. Just had a great handle on the Leafs and his time in a front office, seemed like he nailed what was wrong with us. I didn’t even know it was him at first, thinking this guy knows his shit, then realized who it was.

All of these guys are now hoping to land the gig so it's in their best interests to sound good. Even one of us from these boards could sound smart when hindsight is 20/20 and it's not your team.

 

[myleafs]

Don’t obsess over others obsession

another one I heard made me laugh....im intolerent of intolerant people

 

[theTTC]

Shanahan warned Dubas about going live so close to the failure.

His emotions got the best of him, but it could have been negotiating tactic that failed.

The one thing everyone really needs is clarity about what he asked for.
Not the money part, that's always negotiable.
It is the authority part.
If he found he was limited in his authority maybe that was the breaking point?
And if he asking for the ability to bypass Shanahan ... well that wasn't happening.
If he proved Shanahan wasn't required ... when is the last time you succeeded in getting your boss to tell his boss that his position was redundant?

lol. In an interview, as a new grad with no relevant work experience, I used a suicidal perspective too. Will never forget it, so stupid.
Interviewer: "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?"
Me: "I want your job. I"ll achieve that by helping you get promoted."

 

[Superstar]

Damn missed it. can you link me man? or do a mini-overview?

I think I found it for ya:

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