Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Mess]

I supported a Dubas return before the playoffs and tended to slightly want to keep the status quo after Florida because he represented managerial continuity over the summer and could get into re-signing the big contracts coming up vs having to conduct a GM search like we are having now or having more uncertainty than necessary...

But when the GM himself starts throwing curveballs in a moment of uncertainty and looks to be making political moves vs his boss, that promise of stability goes away pretty quick.

You could make the argument of whether the team is better off with a President and GM Dubas vs President Shanahan and GM X, that would be a separate conversation. And honestly, no one really knows how collaborative their relationship was this whole time.

That was my point the short-term extension based on continuity and look of stability. It sounds like he had very little power with the position needing both President and board approval.

ie, He was simply their puppet and now that the news of Dubas trying to change the power structure and reporting stream confirms GM position in title only. Shanny is really the President and acting GM and Kyle his assistant that does all the busy and leg and phone work sorting through the grunt work, and then only passing upwards any decisions worth higher authority and consideration.

However when the person you agree to keep it stable looking, is the one going off the rails with an unprecedented press conference airing dirty laundry and showing weakness of being overwhelmed by the pressure and stress of the GM job you really have little to lose cutting the stings. IMO

In fact cutting him loose demonstrated more concern to show MLSE stability league wide in upper management, and counteracting the comments made during the presser that was displaying weakness.

 

[myleafs]

LMAO "family situation"

yep, the truth is out there for all to see now. What a dink. I thought I liked Dubas as a person but his behaviour was weak sauce and he deserved to be kicked to the curb. His word means nothing to me now and if Im a potential employer it would be difficult to look past his actions and words. Very disappointing he turned out the way he did but a lot of his tenure makes sense to me now.

 

[Stephen]

Kyle will give Sullivan a year before running him out of town. Then Keefe can sign on.

We can trade Keefe to Sullivan today if they want. If coach trades were possible a la the NFL.

 

[sxvnert]

Ever notice how EVERYONE Kyle Dubas has worked with at MLSE that wasn't a subordinate or his own hire, including MLSE itself is "The Problem?"

-The Board of Directors.
-The President Brendan Shanahan.
-The Hall of Fame GM and mentor, Lou Lamoriello.
-The other AGM, Mark Hunter.
-The pre-existitng Head Coach, Mike Babcock.

Go ahead and off everyone from the power structure if you won a Stanley Cup for us, but save the powerplays for the ice in the meantime.

I admire Kyles attempt to build an empire but lets call a spade a spade.

 

[Gallagbi]

So who in the management structure does Dubas actually have a problem with?

-Shanahan, the middle man between Dubas and the Board? If this is the case, and let's say the demands are met. Dubas can now converse directly with the board. Why would Shanahan still have a job if he can't steer Dubas in hockey related matters and doesn't need to be the conduit between the board and Dubas?

-Or does Dubas have a problem with the Board itself, who is the "meddlesome" ownership group?

In any case, the answer seems to have been more power and money for Kyle, everyone else was the problem, but no pre-existing problems seemed to have been solved by consolidating control for Kyle.

You can hate the process without being against the people involved. Who knows if that's the case here, but more voices usually means more hurdles and more time.

 

[PromisedLand]

I am beginning to think the family situation is you are stalking him...

its a safe space. Say what you really wanna ssay man.

"don't talk facts about my kyle that paint him in the bad light even though its true"

its ok.

 

[myleafs]

Yes, it's freakin' team sabotage...Dubas lined up Marner to have the NMC kick in the same time as Matthews despite a contract that is a year longer...why the heck does a player turning 27 as a UFA need a NMC in the final year on top of that massive contract with signing bonuses galore? It was ridiculous. Hate the contract then, and we're seeing how ugly it is now.

if he was actually this calculated then I dont even know what to say.....Im starting to lean into that he was and he wasnt who he portrayed himself to be.

 

[sxvnert]

Well Dubas didn’t get a statue of himself built in front of SBA in honour of all his “accomplishments” over the past half decade.

That must have been devastating to his ego. Maybe the Dubas Fan Boi Club can take up a collection towards it?

Given a few more years Dubas would have been added to legends row.

 

[Stand Witness]

I am a bit worried that a “game of thrones” front office is going to get close to nothing done.

For better or for worse, I think we need a management team that is going to get some HEAVY lifting done in a month and a half. If this team is too divided, get it sorted out today.

And if Dubas’ concern about the board slowing down the process is true, they need to put it on a temporary hold. We are right on the edge of a full on spiral out of control. Not sure how much time we have to correct it, but July 1st sounds about right.

 

[myleafs]

There’s a big difference in the circumstances of the firings. Both Fletcher and Quinn were let go when their teams were on the downswing and missed the playoffs. Dubas is getting fired after the team took a step forward and has been a consistent playoff and 100+ point team during his tenure

took a step forward then 3 steps back in quick fashion. The team was a playoff team when he took over. He was supposed to take us to the next step and didnt.

 

[egd27]

I am sure it is more than just contracts since they wanted to streamline the process.

Contracts seem straightforward for approval compared to trades.

Interpret it how you want, but they are involved to some extent at least.

Of course they are.

In almost every organization there are thresholds to spending approvals.

for example
Manager $X
Director $X+
VP $X++
Pres / CEO $X+++
Board $X++++

 

[Donnie740]

Penguins receive permission to talk to former Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas

The Maple Leafs announced Kyle Dubas was no longer GM last Friday in the aftermath of the team's second-round exit in the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Dubas' contract is set to expire late next month.

www.sportsnet.ca

The news just keeps getting better and better for the Leafs.

Getting rid of the incompetent Dubas was a fantastic move for Toronto, but dumping him onto a conference rival is even better.

Now if only Dubas can hire Bozo the Keefe as coach and sign Justin Holl to “anchor” the defence, it’ll be perfect.

 

[Gabriel426]

Kyle will give Sullivan a year before running him out of town. Then Keefe can sign on.

Or Sid and Geno kicked Dubas out before that, lol

 

[sxvnert]

its a safe space. Say what you really wanna ssay man.

"don't talk facts about my kyle that paint him in the bad light even though its true"

its ok.

You have to admit, that would be hilarious though.

"The constant barrage of posts from PromisedLand prevented me from performing my duties to the fullest...the constant stress of having my trades and signings analyzed to such a degree simply isn't fair to me and my staff."

 

[Superstar]

Good Riddance!!!

Just saw a tweet on twitter and it reminded me how much I was pissed last year at dubious

DeBoer's record is 7-0 (I think 8-0 most recently) in game 7's, and has gone to the conference finals 5 times in his last 8 years as coach...but Keefe is better!

 

[PromisedLand]

Futa on 590 this morning, impressive.

Damn missed it. can you link me man? or do a mini-overview?

 

[Martin Skoula]

So who in the management structure does Dubas actually have a problem with?

-Shanahan, the middle man between Dubas and the Board? If this is the case, and let's say the demands are met. Dubas can now converse directly with the board. Why would Shanahan still have a job if he can't steer Dubas in hockey related matters and doesn't need to be the conduit between the board and Dubas?

-Or does Dubas have a problem with the Board itself, who is the "meddlesome" ownership group?

In any case, the answer seems to have been more power and money for Kyle, everyone else was the problem, but no pre-existing problems seemed to have been solved by consolidating control for Kyle.

Why should Shanahan have this job? What are his qualifications to be the highest paid exec in hockey? Apparently the front office and team have gotten worse over his 9 year tenure according to most people.

 

[justashadowof]

First question anyone should ask Kyle Dubas at a job interview this summer: what has changed about the family stress you mentioned Monday May 15th, 2023?

You can't help but get a read on his character from the answer.

Will he think some form of BS is the answer? Will he claim that it was a negotiation tactic? Will he acknowledge that it was a power game between him and Shanahan?

I'm not sure there exists a good answer in the summer of 2023.

"I changed my mind." = Flaky
"I discussed it with my family and they're fine." = This and the Monday performance can't possibly both be true.
"I took some bad advice from my agent." = He didn't see this was bad advice?
"It was a power struggle that I lost." = This guy will want my job eventually.

 

[myleafs]

You're obsessed man. It's Victoria Day go touch grass

Says the person replying to said person

 

[PromisedLand]

You have to admit, that would be hilarious though.

"The constant barrage of posts from PromisedLand prevented me from performing my duties to the fullest...the constant stress of having my trades and signings analyzed to such a degree simply isn't fair to me and my staff."

I missed the dubas drama for the entire day as I was stuck at work. It was a tough day at work for a Friday to boot; but when I got home and I saw the news; it instantly became the best friday ever

I'd LMAO if Dubas blamed the fans. LOL

 

[rumman]

I am a bit worried that a “game of thrones” front office is going to get close to nothing done.

For better or for worse, I think we need a management team that is going to get some HEAVY lifting done in a month and a half. If this team is too divided, get it sorted out today.

And if Dubas’ concern about the board slowing down the process is true, they need to put it on a temporary hold. We are right on the edge of a full on spiral out of control. Not sure how much time we have to correct it, but July 1st sounds about right.

I hope those with conflicted alliances are fettered out asap and disappear like a fart in the wind.......

 

[hockeywiz542]

I can't source the article but there were stories that Matthews was willing to sign 8 years, its jsut the cap hit he and his agent were seeking would have put him at about 13 AAV so dubas bent over and signed his 5 year deal for 11.6

The insanity of not forcing him to sign 11.6-12 for 8 years in unacceptable. All it takes is one article from his legion of minions that Matthews was holding out for 13M and Matty would have caved within minutes or stayed home for months like Willy. Dubas would have won that Willy battle had he stuck to his guns and referenced the cap hell these contracts would have caused.

 

[capfit9]

You're obsessed man. It's Victoria Day go touch grass

Don’t obsess over others obsession

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

lol, he wants 15M? dream on. move him before his NTC kicks in.

The max I'd give him is 13M for 5 or 7 years.

 

[myleafs]

An absolute f***ing entitlement culture bred from all the way at the top.

Dubas wanted to have the cake and eat it too.

Doesn't work that way; dubas wanted all the money but didn't want to deal with accountability/criticism "family stress" seriously WTF. If its too much then just quit go do another job.

Dubas undid all the good will that Shanny/Lou had done after scorched earth i.e. "we'll make it safe for everyone to come here and play here" by publicly saying how "hard it is for Toronto"

Dubas can get bent for all I care. absolute Fraud

It pains me to admit it but I think you are correct