Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[notbias]

This organization is run by idiots.

 

[egd27]

The funny thing about all this discussion is that Shanny almost is certainly looking for a Dubas-like replacement. Someone who will allow Shanny to intervene in hockey decisions when he see fit in ect.

Or he realizes he'd be better off with someone more like the previous GM than the recent one.

 

[Apex Predator]

This organization is run by idiots.

Have fun over at the penguins board!

 

[alliuk12]

Hes actually not soft, MarneuMatth

Hes actually not soft, Marner ont he other hand

Matthews is soft marner will go into the corner and come out with the puck Matthews will come out with the same thing he went into the corner with nothing

 

[Thornbury]

Yes because this is our Going in all the moment so ofc we are not having as much in the future. Hence it is critical to find out which is the right pick and asset management going forward. As well the commentary of you saying our cupboard is emptied...how are 28 picks during that span emptied cupboards then? Prospects aren't just expected to be an immediate impact, that's the point they are developed and given the time and space to figure it out. People here are jumping at the thought of Treliving that man had 23 picks

Great, we have come to an agreement that the wrong selection was made on Car A, yet you have not offered a solution on how to get to Point B still in a timely manner. Sure I am feeling good about responsibility and accountability but I am still walking in the middle of the road with no Car, no plan, and hoping to hitchhiker will take me where I want to go all while being on a deadline

The answer isn't always 42 !

I am sure that when Brendan finishes his long weekend in Muskoka, he'll get right on sorting out what road we need to start travelling down. Unless of course he has a couple early week golf games booked, but immediately thereafter, because he's a stand up, old time hockey guy. Is Cliff Fletcher still around? Brendan may see him as an experienced GM to lead us out of the wilderness.

 

[Burnie97]

Kyle Dubas seems to be a power hungry individual. It seems like a lot of people are loyal to Dubas, as opposed to being loyal to the organization. Not sure if this is the culture that you want to have on the Leafs.

Which leads me to believe that certain players are more loyal to Dubas as opposed to the team. The next GM will have to figure out where the loyalties of Matthews/Nylander/Marner lie. If they are Dubas loyalists, then you know they will do what is best for themselves, as opposed to the organization. At which point, it probably is best to move on from them.

Yeah Dubas was fine overall while he was here but to put it simply I'm about the Leafs not Dubas. I'm a LEAF fan.

He's gone. Let's move on. I hope the best for the team. If he isn't with us then f*** off. He had the opportunity and played around trying to get leverage. I have no real love for Shanny either but just get a GM with experience and a new coach and see what happens this summer.

The media is in a feeding frenzy right now. They're brutal.

Leafs really aren't in that bad of a spot if they hire the right people.. who that is... I don't know... there is many options.

Regardless of staff... other then the coach who does need to go... its the core f***ing guys who didn't get it done... AGAIN.

Should be an intriguing summer. Hopefully it plays out okay.

I hope for a retool because you don't need a full blowup. The team needs to be rebalanced. I tried to believe the 4 core could do it but too much money in those guys and I'm done with it.

 

[Thornbury]

Matthews is soft marner will go into the corner and come out with the puck Matthews will come out with the same thing he went into the corner with nothing

Do you even watch the games, and see how many takeaways Austin comes up with in a game? Might be instructional.

 

[notbias]

Have fun over at the penguins board!

I'm a Leafs fan, I'll be here hoping we don't hire some dope in the coming weeks and actually make a good decision.

The fact that the board is also making decisions above Shanahan annoys me.

Just skip having a GM and let everyone submit ideas and those geniuses can run the team.

 

[Stephen]

Here is the betting odds favourite to replace Dubas...

I'm not really on Team Treliving here, but he did draft Adam Fox, Andrew Mangiapane, Oliver Kylington, Dillon Dube and Rasmus Andersson outside of the first round in his career before 2018. Adam Fox is a Norris Trophy winning defenseman. Dubas has yet to draft an award winning anything in the draft.

I just need to push back on the tendency for certain media types to destroy every name that's put beside Kyle Dubas' in a compare and contrast.

 

[notbias]

I'm not really on Team Treliving here, but he did draft Adam Fox, Andrew Mangiapane, Oliver Kylington, Dillon Dube and Rasmus Andersson outside of the first round in his career before 2018. Adam Fox is a Norris Trophy winning defenseman. Dubas has yet to draft an award winning anything in the draft.

I just need to push back on the tendency for certain media types to destroy every name that's put beside Kyle Dubas' in a compare and contrast.

I'm just giving a fair evaluation since we can't judge Dubas from earlier than 2018. You're the one trying to push a narrative.

Cushman even mentions it, but it is irrelevant since people keep saying Dubas had nothing to show for his drafting...

 

[Leaf Rocket]

I am sure that when Brendan finishes his long weekend in Muskoka, he'll get right on sorting out what road we need to start travelling down. Unless of course he has a couple early week golf games booked, but immediately thereafter, because he's a stand up, old time hockey guy. Is Cliff Fletcher still around? Brendan may see him as an experienced GM to lead us out of the wilderness.

Man if Cliff Fletcher is joining we are not in a good spot man I love Shanny as a player but at the moment I'm questioning him massively as an exec

Yeah Dubas was fine overall well he was here but to put it simply I'm about the Leafs not Dubas. I'm a LEAF fan.

He's gone. Let's move on. I hope the best for the team. If he isn't with us then f*** off. He had the opportunity and played around trying to get leverage. I have no real love for Shanny either but just get a GM with experience and a new coach and see what happens this summer.

The media is in a feeding frenzy right now. They're brutal.

Leafs really aren't in that bad of a spot if they hire the right people.. who that is... I don't know... there is many options.

Regardless of staff... other then the coach who does need to go... its the core f***ing guys who didn't get it done... AGAIN.

Should be an intriguing summer. Hopefully it plays out okay.

I hope for a retool because you don't need a full blowup. The team needs to be rebalanced. I tried to believe the 4 core could do it but too much money in those guys and I'm done with it.

I hope so man, I am a leaf fan and I think our window is now so hopefully the right moves are done asap otherwise it won't age well. I know it's being discussed in the higher-ups, and shanny is in the hot seat as well now.

Anyways enough hockey for me tonight time for some well-needed beauty sleep and a wonderful long weekend!

 

[Thornbury]

I just dont see the doom as some do..

There is time to get things done
There is staff to get them done

I guess i am just focused on the concept of the people here.. basically just looking at each other and saying.. lets get to work. 5 weeks of long days.. lets do this

Right, so when does the work start?

 

[PromisedLand]

Yes because this is our Going in all the moment so ofc we are not having as much in the future. Hence it is critical to find out which is the right pick and asset management going forward. As well the commentary of you saying our cupboard is emptied...how are 28 picks during that span emptied cupboards then? Prospects aren't just expected to be an immediate impact, that's the point they are developed and given the time and space to figure it out. People here are jumping at the thought of Treliving that man had 23 picks

Great, we have come to an agreement that the wrong selection was made on Car A, yet you have not offered a solution on how to get to Point B still in a timely manner. Sure I am feeling good about responsibility and accountability but I am still walking in the middle of the road with no Car, no plan, and hoping to hitchhiker will take me where I want to go all while being on a deadline

The answer isn't always 42 !

First I find it really interesting that folks are willing to extend the courtesy of 'developing' prospects for dubas while hunter was chased out of town. While everyone is going ga-ga over Woll but doesn't even want to acknolwedge that Woll was a hunter pick

Moving on.... when you pay 50% of the cap to 4 players you need to draft, develop to help out on teh ELCs. Dubas on the other hand pays premium draft captial to third teams to retain cap in trades and then flips the higher picks to pick later. I am sure your counter is going to be but after 3rd round its the same. No it isn't data supports it. There are are less 6th or 7th rounders that play in the NHL than the players pick earlier. There are no premium prospects that we are developing in the AHL, hail mary picks shooting in the dark blind man is great management eh

In your narrative you did not say it was you who made the wrong decision of choosing car A; your story said that Car A broke down. You gotta get your narrative straight first before posing questions

get your narrative straight first with a clarity and then if there is a "solution" I will attempt it

I don't think Tyler Bozak is a solution but ok....

 

[frizzer1]

Do you even watch the games, and see how many takeaways Austin comes up with in a game? Might be instructional.

When Matthews is healthy he’s a beast on the boards.
Problem is that he is injured so often.
If his injury is chronic he is still a star but no longer a superstar.
And they should trade him before other teams figure that out.
Unless,of course, they already know.

 

[Stephen]

I'm just giving a fair evaluation since we can't judge Dubas from earlier than 2018. You're the one trying to push a narrative.

Cushman even mentions it, but it is irrelevant since people keep saying Dubas had nothing to show for his drafting...

We can't credit GM's for doing good work before 2018 because Kyle Dubas wasn't a GM yet?

I'm not saying I want Brad Treliving. My agenda is to suggest there's a world outside of Kyle Dubas.

 

[Thornbury]

The one thing as I said earlier is that whoever takes over has no long-term issues on the roster. The only contract issue they have is the 1 year of Matt Murray to likely pawn off in some way. LTIR Muzzin could also be something they look at trading away but that's really not a priority. So whoever takes over doesn't have to worry about fixing a cap issue like most GMs have to do when they take over a team.

They obviously have a roster issue to fix whatever is going on and finding a coach that can push them into more than just being good in the regular season.

Are you serious? No long term issues with the roster? Yeah, other than sorting out a Matthews extension, deciding on a potential Marner trade, getting ready for the draft, sorting out 10 UFAs, and getting ready for July 1 free agency kick off. And oh yeah, we don't have a GM, but I'm sure Shanahan is going to get right on that any day now.

 

[stickty111]

Matthews is soft marner will go into the corner and come out with the puck Matthews will come out with the same thing he went into the corner with nothing

This is incorrect

 

[PromisedLand]

I have done something that I haven't done on this site. I have gone through each and every page and post in this thread 3341 posts before this one.

And I've reached a conclusion:

I don't think I've ever seen such a cult like behavior for a freakin GM in NHL by any fans of other teams, any fans of any other sports leagues

I am freakin' speechless and I just don't understand this. just WOW

 

[Stephen]

Are you serious? No long term issues with the roster? Yeah, other than sorting out a Matthews extension, deciding on a potential Marner trade, getting ready for the draft, sorting out 10 UFAs, and getting ready for July 1 free agency kick off. And oh yeah, we don't have a GM, but I'm sure Shanahan is going to get right on that any day now.

Matthews is the big agenda. But I can also see a possibility of actually keeping the Big 4 but with a different GM and coach and different philosophy in utilizing them. So you might not be solving everything at once as long as 34 is locked up.

 

[SprDaVE]

Are you serious? No long term issues with the roster? Yeah, other than sorting out a Matthews extension, deciding on a potential Marner trade, getting ready for the draft, sorting out 10 UFAs, and getting ready for July 1 free agency kick off. And oh yeah, we don't have a GM, but I'm sure Shanahan is going to get right on that any day now.

I didn't say there wasn't decisions to be made? What? I said there were no contract and dead weight issues like say the Islanders or the Canucks. He doesn't have a terribly managed roster in terms of cap space... it was left in a good spot to go in many different ways.

The new guy will have plenty of hard and tough decisions to do and it won't be easy. I never said otherwise and I made that clear.

 

[notbias]

We can't credit GM's for doing good work before 2018 because Kyle Dubas wasn't a GM yet?

I'm not saying I want Brad Treliving. My agenda is to suggest there's a world outside of Kyle Dubas.

When people are saying Dubas is bad at drafting, I don't use drafts before Dubas became GM to compare against his drafts... seems idiotic.

 

[Trapper]

Most entertaining thread in Leafs hfboards history.

Until the next one.
We still have new GM, new coach and Matthews not signing UFA.
It never runs out of prime material.

 

[thinkblue]

Are you serious? No long term issues with the roster? Yeah, other than sorting out a Matthews extension, deciding on a potential Marner trade, getting ready for the draft, sorting out 10 UFAs, and getting ready for July 1 free agency kick off. And oh yeah, we don't have a GM, but I'm sure Shanahan is going to get right on that any day now.

I think he means there are no significant anchor contracts to deal with.
Of course there's a lot of work to be done and a fair bit of flexibility.
I'm not sure what makes you think finding a GM isnt a top priority.

 

[hamzarocks]

When people are saying Dubas is bad at drafting, I don't use drafts before Dubas became GM to compare against his drafts... seems idiotic.

Pretty idiotic to be munching dubas drafting for 2 guys not still in the organization (1 who wasnt here a few months after being drafted and was developed completely by the Kings)

Both of whom are bottom pairing D at the moment and undersized guys.

Dubas best draft pick is Knies who is similarly promising as Wolf for the flames.

Dubas and the scouting team has been all right in drafting not great not poor, similar to 2018-2021 Flames outside the 1st (which omits Zary, Coranato, Pellitier who look like high quality propsects similar to Knies level).

Your once again being disengenious to prop up Dubas. Your username needs a major update

 

[Thornbury]

There is always one team that wins the cup every year and all other teams are disappointed for either not making the playoffs or not winning the cup.

The goal is to see if the franchise is making steady progress which under dubas had not been the case. On the contrary I'd argue that under dubas we've went back while emptying the cupboards (only 4 picks this draft, and 2025 1st rounder traded away also btw); while nothing much to show. Not to mention the amount of picks dubas had thrown away for the third team to come in to help out with cap retention in the trade because of the cap structure dubas himself created.

There no team in the entire league that has 3 10+ AAV team, Leafs are the only team if am not mistaken. And that AAV doesn't even come with term so that you get more kicks at the can since the cap is tied for longer with the players so eventually you will get some cap flexibility..

There not going to be any GM who will come in and make it worse than Dubas had already done.

We are not only going to be fine, IMO we are going to be better for it!

Great, let's check back in a few years down the road and see how your prognostication skills play out.