Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[57 Years No Cup]

Haha, the Dubas haters in full force spinning their narratives. Funny bullshit.

It'll be nice when Dubas gets a new job so you Dubas' Fans can leave us Leafs' Fans alone.

 

[rocketman588]

It does sound like he had more to do with it than most probably originally thought.

Yes he blocked dubas from making 15 trades at the deadline according to media leaks coming from Dubas

I'm sure he begged him to pick up Matt Murray as well

 

[PromisedLand]

There's also a video of him going over options at the expansion draft in a tone that is like you sure you want to get rid of McCann?

Maybe Dubas just didn't like to have to explain his moves

Dubas f***ing protected a pylon in Holl

thats the IQ level that the dubas has when it comes to hockey.

 

[Trapper]

It is shame there was no Justin Turdeau trophy for the winner of the Canadian divison.

No kidding. We didn’t even get the CN Tower lit up.
Guess you needed to win in the playoffs.

 

[The Masters]

I'm sorry what about trophies? We won 1 regular season covid Canadian division.

Other then that we won nothing

Rielly Matthews Marner Nylander - not his moves
goalie situation and defense - did not improve
marlies pipeline - did not improve
trades - pretty bad (kadri, marchment, muzzin, murray) .. Trade deadline his best moves in 5 years.
playoffs - no results

what exactly did he do in 5 years that another GM couldn't ? lol The work was already done for him by Lou. We were spinning our wheels. what a waste

 

[ToneDog]

Dubas f***ing protected a pylon in Holl

thats the IQ level that the dubas has when it comes to hockey.

Gifted McCann and gifts him to Francis in order to keep Kerfoot and Holl. Genius I say.

Rielly Matthews Marner Nylander - not his moves
goalie situation and defense - did not improve
marlies pipeline - did not improve
trades - pretty bad (kadri, muzzin, murray) .. Trade deadline his best moves in 5 years.
playoffs - no results

what exactly did he do in 5 years that another GM couldn't ? lol We were spinning our wheels. what a waste

Now add up the picks he used at the TDL to win a round that would have saved his job if he wasn't an asshole.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Haha, the Dubas haters in full force spinning their narratives. Funny bullshit.

I think there's a fair amount of spin coming from everywhere tbh.

 

[dubey]

Franchise records, trophies, and breaking an absolutely embarrassing 20 year curse?

Inherited the most talented, young core this team has ever had and won 1 second round game lol

 

[PromisedLand]

Wanna guess who McDavids agency is? Hint: It's the same one.

what is chirelli and ken holland's agency?

asking for a friend

 

[alliuk12]

well you might as well trade everyone... Matthews wont be happy lol

Matthews should be the next to go he is to soft

 

[PromisedLand]

Does it really matter who said what? Look at the results and make up your own opinion. He spent years building towards his best season of 5 playoff wins, and, in that process, he left the 2024 roster, draft capital, and cap situation in rough shape.

don;t forget this trash of a gm also traded away 2025 1st round pick

 

[ToneDog]

I think there's a fair amount of spin coming from everywhere tbh.

What spin or narratives? More like joy. Hope has been restored for Leafs fans who were not impressed with the team results under Dubas.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Shanny doesn't have that much to do with the on ice product.


Additionally he's getting praise mostly because he didn't take Dubas's garbage

What does he do then? Why is making 6 or 7 million for almost a decade while not having much to do with the on ice product? I assume he must make a mean Frappuccino for Larry and the Bell/Rogers guys.

 

[ToneDog]

Inherited the most talented, young core this team has ever had and won 1 second round game lol

It took 5 f***ing years and a heap of draft capital. Damn the bar is set very low for some fans.

 

[frog]

You think MacK wouldn’t ask for more money if Tampa beat them? He’s on record being unhappy about being the most underpaid player in the league on his old deal which wasn’t him taking a good guy discount but him not having the resume to ask for more. He was going to get 12+ regardless of how those playoffs went.

No idea if he would have.. but I do know he jokingly said he wont be taking a hometown discount again after winning the cup. Landeskog was frustrated with the contract negotiations and told the media (without his agent) he just wants to sign in colorado and doesnt care if its less money than other teams. Imo those were two star players more concerned about winning than money

 

[PromisedLand]

I don’t know how anyone can read how Shanahan acted as the shadow GM, nixing moves Dubas wanted to make and forcing him to make moves he didn’t, and look at how the contract situation played out letting Dubas twist in the wind for a year before abruptly firing him after Kyle took week in comparison and think Shanahan is in the right or isn’t a problem. What respectable GM is going to want Brendan looking over their shoulder scrutinizing every move they make? What has Shanahan accomplished as an executive that we should be comfortable that he’s still here to run the show while apparently pissing off nearly everyone in management?

you do know that only reason dubas was even given an opportunity in the NHL was due to shanahan right? before that he was in the soo

 

[joepeps]

Matthews should be the next to go he is to soft

Hes actually not soft, Marner ont he other hand

 

[Rare Jewel]

What spin or narratives? More like joy. Hope has been restored for Leafs fans who were not impressed with the team results under Dubas.

Well, Shanahan to Johnston revealing contract demands making it look like Dubas feigned interest in actually continuing. and took his ball and went home.

Then today with Mirtle and Dubas claiming that Shanahan nixed deals, likely with the intent of making him look like he prevented an important trade or meddled.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I swear to god the Dubas fan club is striken with Stockholm syndrome...let it go guys, he can't hurt you anymore.

 

[dubey]

It took 5 f***ing years and a heap of draft capital. Damn the bar is set very low for some fans.

we'll get 'em next year hehe

 

[Leaf Fans]

I swear to god the Dubas fan club is striken with Stockholm syndrome...let it go guys, he can't hurt you anymore.

How do you figure that?

 

[All Mod Cons]

The biggest upside to Dubas being let go is I won't have to read the words "narrative" and "agenda" in every other post.

 

[Petrus]

Fantastic Quote from Doug McLean:


“When you put your hand in a bucket of water and the hole left there when you take it out is how indispensable you are.”

 

[Superstar]

Gifted McCann and gifts him to Francis in order to keep Kerfoot and Holl. Genius I say.


Now add up the picks he used at the TDL to win a round that would have saved his job if he wasn't an asshole.

McCann is the perfect left winger the Leafs need...40 goals in the $5 million range is a freakin' steal...so many fans wanted McCann protected, but no, Dubas loves Holl...maybe because Babcock disliked Holl, so Dubas wanted to be right...Dubas literally robbed Pittsburg blind by getting McCann and then he exposed him

 

[hockeywiz542]

Brendan Shanahan on hot seat as Maple Leafs president seeks to finally get it right

Eight years to the day after hiring Mike Babcock to coach the Maple Leafs, Brendan Shanahan has the Original Six club in state of disarray.

torontosun.com

Under Shanahan, the Leafs have become a team that wins regularly only if it’s the regular season, before annually falling by the wayside in the playoffs. This year, finally, came that first-round victory against the Tampa Bay Lightning. Then came the Florida Panthers, who threw a rink-sized bucket of ice-cold water over the Leafs’ dreams in a mere five games.

Under Shanahan, the Leafs talk every year about the desire to win the Stanley Cup, and if that stated wish was all that was required, the parade route would be worn out by now. Instead, the Leafs have never matched their skill, and expectations of themselves, with actual success in the post-season.

At some point, Shanahan is going to have to get it right with his hirings, isn’t he? How many more presentations have to be made to the MLSE board before someone peers over their reading glasses and realizes that with Shanahan running the show, the Leafs haven’t won?

We know that at least one more of those meetings with his bosses will take place in — the Leafs as a whole should hope — the near future.

At some point in the coming weeks, Shanahan will announce he has hired a new general manager in the wake of the firing of Kyle Dubas on Friday. That person, whether it’s Brad Treliving or Mark Hunter or Mathieu Darche or Stan Bowman or someone else, has to be given the freedom that Dubas apparently was seeking. And the hiring has to happen relatively quickly, considering the roster decisions that will have to be made.

Intriguing about the persistent speculation that Dubas wanted more autonomy in doing his job: If Shanahan was sticking his nose into hockey decisions, or putting a halt to some things Dubas wanted to do, or making personnel decisions himself, why was the president so eager to sign Dubas to an extension? If he didn’t have faith in Dubas’ ability to make decisions, why did it get to the point where, we’re led to believe, only a Dubas signature was needed for his return?

If that’s really the way that Shanahan functioned, we can’t see a person who has had experience as an NHL GM prepared to go to work for Shanahan and the Leafs under similar circumstances.

Time was Shanahan had Lou Lamoriello as the GM and Babcock as coach. It was a combination of formidable hockey knowledge that was supposed to bring the Cup(s) to Toronto.

But when Shanahan figured five years ago that Dubas was ready to become the GM, Lamoriello was gone. Some 18 months later, it was Babcock’s turn to be shown the door, fired in the Arizona desert after Shanahan cleared enough off his schedule to catch a flight to Phoenix to deliver a pink slip.

Dubas, the chosen one by Shanahan, had his own chosen candidate ripening with the Toronto Marlies. Sheldon Keefe has done some good things as the Leafs’ coach, but the next time he steps foot into Scotiabank Arena, the assumption is that it will be to clean out his office.

A new GM will undoubtedly want to hire his own person behind the bench. As for the handwringing in some quarters that more staff will follow Jason Spezza’s lead and resign, let’s not make too much of staff changes. As with the coach, a new GM will want to make some of his own hires for the front office.

Shanahan couldn’t make it work with two longtime, successful NHL vets in Lamoriello and Babcock; he couldn’t make it work when the responsibility was handed to Dubas and Keefe, two men who, despite having made significant growth in the sport, had no experience at the NHL level when they were hired for their respective jobs with the Leafs. And it didn’t work for the brief time that Dubas and Babcock were a tandem.

So now, Shanahan’s reward is that he gets another crack at getting it right. If only the man who won three Cups as a player and was inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame could take a chunk of that success as an executive and turn it into a Cup.

We’re not holding our breath. History tells us we shouldn’t.