Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Superstar]

Big mistake by this organization. This entire situation screams of ownership meddling. Shanahan wants to keep Dubas but all of a sudden because he asks for more money, he is gone. Why not negotiate with him? Or hold firm with said offer & tell him to take it or leave it? They wanted him gone.

Now with 5 weeks to go, you have to make important decisions with little time to do so. What kind of GM are you going to get now? Why not do this at a moment when you have time to review your options thoroughly? All of this screams of a lack of foresight & strategic thinking at the top. Too many simpleton board members who stroke their own ego pretending to be hockey men. You are not hockey men, you don’t know anything about the sport.

How is a new GM going to fix this team when he doesn’t know any of the players? The only person to fix this was Dubas because he knew this whole operation.

How is Dubas going to fix this team? Overpay Matthews and Nylander again? Dubas didn't work in a vacuum, he has a lot of help from his assistants, especially Pridham. The new GM will have plenty of resources and support to draw from. Player contracts and value have comparables, of course, unless you're Dubas with his overpayments.

 

[Not My Tempo]

I was in the camp that we needed some big changes, but even if you personally dislike Dubas, I don’t see why any fan would be okay with the way this has all gone down.

1. MLSE/Shanny WANTED Dubas as GM. They gave him an offer. They thought he was the best person for the job. If you are someone that’s happy because you thought Dubas did a bad job, management literally disagrees with you.

2. Then after a press conference where Dubas was “emotional” and he asked for too much money, management fired him because they decide they don’t want him/he wasn’t committed.

3. They didn’t have a backup plan at all and are searching for a GM like 50 days before their Franchise player and another star are up for an extension. Their 3rd star player is also the one everyone expects you to ship out.

This is something I’d expect out of Arizona, but judging by the way the other sports teams are currently being run, I genuinely believe there’s something rotten with MLSE right now.

Like it’s seems management made a dumb emotional response to Dubas’s dumb emotional response. We’re not even a decade removed from the 18-wheeler off a cliff Horachek days, and I’m getting PTSD because I see a very clear path to this organization imploding and returning to those days, especially if the players also aren’t happy with the way things are being done.

 

[orbiter11]

I was in the camp that we needed some big changes, but even if you personally dislike Dubas, I don’t see why any fan would be okay with the way this has all gone down.

1. MLSE/Shanny WANTED Dubas as GM. They gave him an offer. They thought he was the best person for the job. If you are someone that’s happy because you thought Dubas did a bad job, management literally disagrees with you.

2. Then after a press conference where Dubas was “emotional” and he asked for too much money, management fired him because they decide they don’t want him/he wasn’t committed.

3. They didn’t have a backup plan at all and are searching for a GM like 50 days before their Franchise player and another star are up for an extension. Their 3rd star player is also the one everyone expects you to ship out.

This is something I’d expect out of Arizona, but judging by the way the other sports teams are currently being run, I genuinely believe there’s something rotten with MLSE right now.

Like it’s seems management made a dumb emotional response to Dubas’s dumb emotional response. We’re not even a decade removed from the 18-wheeler off a cliff Horachek days, and I’m getting PTSD because I see a very clear path to this organization imploding and returning to those days, especially if the players also aren’t happy with the way things are being done.

They probably have 3 backup plans.

 

[frog]

I remember last year on Colorado Mackinnon made the joke that now that he won the stanley cup he would finally ask for more money in contract negotiations.. landeskog said the same thing... Seems like leafs put money first before winning the stanley cup.. That goes for the players right up to senior management.

 

[7even]

That may have made sense if you truly believe there is 2 hours of commute (he played the stress factor way to much as this is something all GMs of contending teams deal with)

But he didnt ask for 15K he asked to be paid more then any comparable in the NHL, he asked to be paid more then his direct boss Shanahan, he asked for more control and basically taking Shanahan's role and duties

No boss is going to give in to that type of demand last minute when your productivity is mostly future based with less then ideal output

Right, but here's my thing, why should I care how much money Kyle Dubas does or doesn't make, there's no salary cap on the front office, there is no opportunity cost to paying him one number or another, what is my investment

You fire your GM because you don't like the job he's done, great. That makes sense. That's conducting business commensurate with building a Cup champion. You fire your GM because you don't like his first retendered ask, what am I supposed to be cheerleading here? That Shanahan would make a killer landlord? That MLSE won't be cucked out of $2M? Whoop de doo. High water mark for the org.

I'm fine with moving on from Dubas. I am very concerned about the ghost of Richard Peddie.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

Leafs gave Kyle his first opportunity from Marlies to GM of the biggest organization in the league
Leafs organization let him run the show how he wanted
Leafs even wanted him back and offered him a competitive at $4 Million

But Dubas shows the middle finger to the very organization that made him

Days of letting it sink in. I’ve come to realize all the vitriol and criticisms of the core 4, although sometimes justified, was just a product of Dubas’ greed and disdain for the ORG that is MLSE.

Other players face hardball negotiations and team future. Grown men with conviction talking.Our stars had goofy Dubas with a woke attitude. And you wonder why our playoff grit was that of a 9 year old girl at times.

—— Someone gave you the golden ticket.
To a team that was already playoff bound.
And you fail for 6 years.
And still can say F U to a contract.

I don’t think the core of 16,34 and 88 bent Dubas over a barrel.

I think he legit just laughed and said hey, we’re all gonna get rich. We are sold out for 100 years and you guys are a lock for playoffs.

So easy fat contracts… and when it came to himself, he forgot he isn’t a super star with a shot or great edges.

Just a suit.

LOL Dubas era ended with a soap opera

 

[Forecheck1]

It's also being reported it was more than that, so I guess either could be right.

just going on the words Shanahan used - not the Dubas Media followers who would like to create another narrative .

 

[PromisedLand]

A new GM will make changes to his staff. I am not shocked by Spezza news. This was a big shake up.

Vacation and Muskoka cottaging is OVER!

Time to get to work.

If you are not part of the solution; you are part of the problem that means you are not going to be part of the organization. Period!

When the going gets tough; the tough get going. Soft willed run for cover. We do not have any cover/shelter left for soft willed entitled brats.

It is now time to move into the right direction. Towards progress and towards THE CUP

 

[Leaf Rocket]

 

[Forecheck1]

Right, but here's my thing, why should I care how much money Kyle Dubas does or doesn't make, there's no salary cap on the front office, there is no opportunity cost to paying him one number or another, what is my investment

You fire your GM because you don't like the job he's done, great. That makes sense. That's conducting business commensurate with building a Cup champion. You fire your GM because you don't like his first retendered ask, what am I supposed to be cheerleading here? That Shanahan would make a killer landlord? That MLSE won't be cucked out of $2M? Whoop de doo. High water mark for the org.

I'm fine with moving on from Dubas. I am very concerned about the ghost of Richard Peddie.

I dont really think your fine with it .

 

[Martin Skoula]

I remember last year on Colorado Mackinnon made the joke that now that he won the stanley cup he would finally ask for more money in contract negotiations.. landeskog said the same thing... Seems like leafs put money first before winning the stanley cup.. That goes for the players right up to senior management.

You think MacK wouldn’t ask for more money if Tampa beat them? He’s on record being unhappy about being the most underpaid player in the league on his old deal which wasn’t him taking a good guy discount but him not having the resume to ask for more. He was going to get 12+ regardless of how those playoffs went.

 

[Amadeus]

Marner to Columbus for Werenski and 3rd overall would be great as well. Grab a top pairing D and someone like Michkov or Smith.

 

[Forecheck1]

They wanted him and told him not to do the press interview after the season until they signed the new deal they had in place and he said no and did the interview and used it as a negotiation tactic to try and get more money. I don't think that's ego getting involved, that's just someone seeing someone go against what they already had planned/worked on to squeeze every penny they could out of the org and they said we'll find someone who wants to be here and not just for the money. You don't get to play hardball when you haven't won anything. He gave our core everything when they didn't win anything and he thought he could do the same, only difference was he wasn't negotiating against himself. I don't know why people try and make this out to be an ego thing when it's just clearly taking a stand against someone who thought they could do whatever they want without bringing any results to the org in terms of post season success.

100%

 

[myleafs]

The best lesson from this would be Dubas becomes a low paid AGM going forward. That would teach him about the greed.

I cant imagine what was going through his head after he told Shanny he was in and Shanny went no thanks......that is one lonely drive home.. 5 yrs 20 mill and you decide to play chicken with your boss who clearly didnt take kindly to that sort of behaviour.....good riddance.

 

[hamzarocks]

Right, but here's my thing, why should I care how much money Kyle Dubas does or doesn't make, there's no salary cap on the front office, there is no opportunity cost to paying him one number or another, what is my investment

You fire your GM because you don't like the job he's done, great. That makes sense. That's conducting business commensurate with building a Cup champion. You fire your GM because you don't like his first retendered ask, what am I supposed to be cheerleading here? That Shanahan would make a killer landlord? That MLSE won't be cucked out of $2M? Whoop de doo. High water mark for the org.

I'm fine with moving on from Dubas. I am very concerned about the ghost of Richard Peddie.

Of course we dont care but MLSE and Shanahan will care

Every business has a hierarchy and power structure.

Best practices involve never bidding against no comp and setting a culture for gross negligence

To be honest we did this already when we paid Babcokc 50 MILLLION for 8 years. He was far and away the highest paid coach then and made more then Lou im pretty sure as well as Shanny

End result, dubas didn'/ have the ability ti even fire him and we needed Shanny to do so

It created a power struggle between Dubas and Babs

If we had paid Dubas 7M for 5 years the same struggle would then exist between Dubas and Shanny

If MLSE felt dubas was worth 7M theyd fire Shanny and have made him POHO.

They didn't feel that and did not want to get burned again after the Babcock failure.

Dubas really went out entitled wanting unheard money for a GM despite 5 years of experience and 1 year with some succsess.

He either over played his hand and failed to come into power or he was jist done with Toronto and gave up realizing 7M is a f*** you offer to MLSE/Shanny and he knew they would not bring him back at that

Either way, leafs are potentiaply screwed if we dont act fast to get a new GM and assess what direction we want to build towards now

 

[TheDoldrums]

I was in the camp that we needed some big changes, but even if you personally dislike Dubas, I don’t see why any fan would be okay with the way this has all gone down.

1. MLSE/Shanny WANTED Dubas as GM. They gave him an offer. They thought he was the best person for the job. If you are someone that’s happy because you thought Dubas did a bad job, management literally disagrees with you.

This is the key. They did a thorough evaluation and decided that Dubas was the guy to lead this franchise going forward. Then things all fell apart over petty stuff. To quote Logan Roy, "you are not serious people." This is not how a franchise worth billions should function.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

 

[hamzarocks]

Marner to Columbus for Werenski and 3rd overall would be great as well. Grab a top pairing D and someone like Michkov or Smith.

Zero chance that would happen

Signed Matthews gets that deal but not marner

 

[Forecheck1]

Mark Hunter as a viable candidate seems a bit laughable at this point. He should have made some hay in the NHL over the past 5 seasons since leaving the organization. London isn't much of a challenge since it's an open secret how the Knights game the system there. And he's hardly a spring chicken. I think most of us who were never Dubas fans still recognize that Dubas was a better choice than Hunter.

ahh no he wasnt - one was a Hockey Man for Life - and one was a fraudster ... You think in OHL circles ( where Dubas was plucked from with his fake analytic theories ) that Dubas was considered a better GM / Executive then Hunter - Wake up !!

 

[myleafs]

You don't ask for more money last minute with the big corps. As Friedman says they don't like last minute surprises.

Yep Dubas was treating his negotiation like a star player who holds all of the cards.....Shanny showed him how to deal with that kind of negotiation.

 

[CanadasTeam]

Because we're the Leafs, you know this ends with Dubas and Spezza going to Ottawa and winning a Cup

Dunno about him winning the cup in Ottawa, but sure as hell could see him make a trade with the Leafs if he gets there -- Brady Tkachuk + Chychrun for Auston Matthews.

 

[Pinkcat]

I cant imagine what was going through his head after he told Shanny he was in and Shanny went no thanks......that is one lonely drive home.. 5 yrs 20 mill and you decide to play chicken with your boss who clearly didnt take kindly to that sort of behaviour.....good riddance.

I imagine that the stress hasn't been alleviated after all.

 

[Martin Skoula]

ahh no he wasnt - one was a Hockey Man for Life - and one was a fraudster ... You think in OHL circles ( where Dubas was plucked from with his fake analytic theories ) that Dubas was considered a better GM / Executive then Hunter - Wake up !!

By OHL circles do you mean “people not good enough at their jobs to be in the NHL” circles? Because that makes sense that they’d back one of their own.

 

[Amadeus]

Stan Bowman?

 

[Forecheck1]

Dunno about him winning the cup in Ottawa, but sure as hell could see him make a trade with the Leafs if he gets there -- Brady Tkachuk + Chychrun for Auston Matthews.

would do that deal in a millisecond -