Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Brobust]

In order of what to expect:

1. Total breakdown
2. Losing Matthews + Nylander for nothing
3. Run it back to same result
4. Rebuild
5. Winning

Am I missing a level here?

 

[AcerComputer]

Seems like a very, very easy thing to disprove if you are dubas. If you can of course.

If Dubas comes out and says I never asked for more money than what Shanahan and my agent discussed. That aside there were terms in the contract that restricted my ability to be the GM of the Leafs, which was a major sticking point, and a hurdle Shanahan couldn't clear.

I think something like that would be significant.

 

[notbias]

Same agency.

So? Not the same agent...

If Dubas picked any of the big agencies, the Tweet would have been the same but with a different player.

People will just use it to think there was a conspiracy.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Conflict of interest much? Nobody from MLSE told Dubas "hey you cant have the same agent as Matthews."?

Edit: this was worse than the Muskoka Five. Dubas has the same agent as Matthews. Dubas and Keefe are joined at the hip.

Coach cant say anything to Matthews. Matthews will tell agent, agent will send angry face emoji to Dubas.

Auston Matthews agent is Judd Moldaver. It is the same sports agency - Wasserman Hockey.

 

[Bomber0104]

You don't have enough information to say that. We don't even know how truthful Shanahan is being or what information he left out.

Dubas used his family’s negative experience in the Toronto market as either a negotiating prop or to save face with Toronto not wanting him back.

Toronto wanted him back so basically he went up to the media and tried to negotiate more money via all of the media and fans.

Once again, Kyle Dubas shows himself infinitely unaware of how small and ineffective he is in the art of negotiation, not knowing a weak hand when he has one, and no sense of how to bluff a big hand either.

He lost his job because of his own ego and pride, trying to maximize his own bank account, winning nothing with the team, and leaving an absolute shit show of a situation for the next GM to figure out.

A fitting end to his tenure here, one that a lot of people cautioned against.

This is what happens when you hire overgrown children into professional organizations.

Absolute loser, bottom of the barrel, grifter behaviour and other organizations would surely take notice of this unprofessional conduct before taking another chance on him.

 

[Donnie740]

The main thing is, Dubas is gone.

Now there’s finally some hope for the Leafs to bring in a competent NHL coach and achieving some success in the playoffs.

 

[Donnie740]

Dubas used his family’s negative experience in the Toronto market as either a negotiating prop or to save face with Toronto not wanting him back.

Toronto wanted him back so basically he went up to the media and tried to negotiate more money via all of the media and fans.

Once again, Kyle Dubas shows himself infinitely unaware of how small and ineffective he is in the art of negotiation, not knowing a weak hand when he has one, and no sense of how to bluff a big hand either.

He lost his job because of his own ego and pride, trying to maximize his own bank account, winning nothing with the team, and leaving an absolute shit show of a situation for the next GM to figure out.

A fitting end to his tenure here, one that a lot of people cautioned against.

This is what happens when you hire overgrown children into professional organizations.

Very well said.

And the perfect ending for the five year debacle of Dubas.

Worst negotiator ever, in any sport.

 

[Gabriel426]

It's the maple leafs, they are always in the middle of a 10 year rebuild or tearing down a 10 year rebuild. They just never hit that "can actually win a cup" state. I really don't think they will win a cup in the next 100 years, too many clowns in business suits running the show.

Everything is in a rebuild or retool until they win a Cup.

Vegas was put together with a whole bunch of spare parts and unwanted players and they made it to the Finals in the first year.

Seattle made up with lesser players than Vegas in their first year and made it to Game 7 in the 2nd round in their second year.

Both teams had done that without a top 10 players in the league.

 

[jfc64]

The one who signed Tavares should go. But there was probably some pressure to do it as well! Dubas was signed as a scapegoat.

Shanahan and ownership plays golf right now.

The next one must sell everything to get rid of the infection.

 

[HofT]

Dubas used his family’s negative experience in the Toronto market as either a negotiating prop or to save face with Toronto not wanting him back.

Toronto wanted him back so basically he went up to the media and tried to negotiate more money via all of the media and fans.

Once again, Kyle Dubas shows himself infinitely unaware of how small and ineffective he is in the art of negotiation, not knowing a weak hand when he has one, and no sense of how to bluff a big hand either.

He lost his job because of his own ego and pride, trying to maximize his own bank account, winning nothing with the team, and leaving an absolute shit show of a situation for the next GM to figure out.

A fitting end to his tenure here, one that a lot of people cautioned against.

This is what happens when you hire overgrown children into professional organizations.

Absolute loser, bottom of the barrel, grifter behaviour and other organizations would surely take notice of this unprofessional conduct before taking another chance on him.

You're misinterperating. It's not that his family has a bad experience in Toronto. On the contrary. It's the fact he never had a job contract or offer all year and the lack of job security was worrying for him and his family. Also, his family was only brought up because a reporter ask.

 

[rumman]

Now the truth is starting to come out. So Dubas was always conflicted during the Matthews negotiation.

I guess the question at this point is where was Shanahan when those fat contracts were being handed out? Surely he must’ve approved them. He’s not blameless here at all.

Conflicted? That appears to be a clear conflict of interest, and yes where was Shanahan?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Conflicted? That appears to be a clear conflict of interest, and yes where was Shanahan?

What was the conflict of interest?

 

[geo25]

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It looks like the more substantive discussions with the board and approval occurred at the trade deadline. That is not last minute to me.

There is risk this will fail last minute. But there is also risk Dubas can submit his resignation at anytime even if he signed. There are no guarantees.

There was reciprocity from both parties. But that all ended after what Dubas said in his presser. If Dubas wanted more then he should have expressed it from the onset well before Shanny went to the board.

Instead Dubas was playing games and was dishonest about his intentions.

I like Dubas, I thought he deserved to stay. But this debacle showed me he lacks integrity, which to me is more important than being competent.

The allure of $ does that to people.....

The gm changed himself. He just stood in front of the hockey world and said, yea I'm not sure if I want this job. Here we're asking our players to show heart, appreciate being here....and the gm stands up and say, yea I'm not sure if my hearts in this.

Then asks for a tremendous raise!

 

[ItsFineImFine]

More I think about it the more I think it was largely about $ for Dubas and hubris.

Haven't even made a competitive playoff run and dude wants to get $6M he hasn't earned. Maybe he saw the stories about how in demand he was. I believe in a free market so good on him if he gets that elsewhere but I don't blame MLSE for not giving him that even if they have the cash to.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Also, his family was only brought up because a reporter ask.

If Chris Johnston doesn't ask that question on Monday Dubas might still be the GM.

Actually insane how that press conference changed so much.

 

[thewave]

Same agency.

Are you telling me that the same agency that represents Matthews also does Dubas? And Dubas awards contracts to Matthews. Ya I am sure it's totally blind with nothing crazy going on, on the side, nothing at all.

Sounds more and more like Lou had it right all along.

 

[613Leafer]

Regardless of whether or not you wanted to keep Dubas, the timing of this is just so insanely bad.

By all accounts, Dubas was very well liked by the players. We're in the critical weeks of working out a long-term deal with Matthews before his NMC kicks in, and we fire the GM he has a great relationship with?

I don't see any way that Matthews can confidently commit to staying before July 1 when he doesn't even know who the new GM is, or if a new GM comes in before July 1, it'll be someone he has no relationship with. The coach is also expected to be gone, just way too much uncertainty.

Losing Matthews for nothing is an unforgivable offence, so Shanny better get him signed long-term or traded. If he walks for nothing, that sets us back legit like 5 years.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Losing Matthews for nothing is an unforgivable offence, so Shanny better get him signed long-term or traded. If he walks for nothing, that sets us back legit like 5 years.

Agreed. If Matthews walks its all on Shanahan and he should get his walking papers as well.

 

[thewave]

Regardless of whether or not you wanted to keep Dubas, the timing of this is just so insanely bad.

Timing means nothing. Other people are up to speed and many expected this to happen. I am sure Shanny had exploratory meetings and has people in mind.

By all accounts, Dubas was very well liked by the players. We're in the critical weeks of working out a long-term deal with Matthews before his NMC kicks in, and we fire the GM he has a great relationship with?

He was liked because he gave money that was not earned. Friends and business don't mix and I am sure these guys want to play hockey so who cares.

I don't see any way that Matthews can confidently commit to staying before July 1 when he doesn't even know who the new GM is, or if a new GM comes in before July 1, it'll be someone he has no relationship with. The coach is also expected to be gone, just way too much uncertainty.

He will know the GM before then and it will probably be Pridham. They weren't winning anyhow, so what does he need to be confident in? Does he have to make sure he will have a new GM and coach that will in 1 round?

Losing Matthews for nothing is an unforgivable offence, so Shanny better get him signed long-term or traded. If he walks for nothing, that sets us back legit like 5 years.

Yes we agree on this. The new GM and Shanny should get the Matthews deal done. Nylander and Marner as well TBH. They all need done before the silly Dubas NMC's kick in.

 

[Trapper]

Roughly $0 lol... and the pension isn't great either.

You should hold out for more money. Tell HF Boards you have to talk it over with your family.

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Dubas used his family’s negative experience in the Toronto market as either a negotiating prop or to save face with Toronto not wanting him back.

Toronto wanted him back so basically he went up to the media and tried to negotiate more money via all of the media and fans.

Once again, Kyle Dubas shows himself infinitely unaware of how small and ineffective he is in the art of negotiation, not knowing a weak hand when he has one, and no sense of how to bluff a big hand either.

He lost his job because of his own ego and pride, trying to maximize his own bank account, winning nothing with the team, and leaving an absolute shit show of a situation for the next GM to figure out.

A fitting end to his tenure here, one that a lot of people cautioned against.

This is what happens when you hire overgrown children into professional organizations.

Absolute loser, bottom of the barrel, grifter behaviour and other organizations would surely take notice of this unprofessional conduct before taking another chance on him.

Well, we were told time and time again that part of the cause of the unprecedented dramatic overpayments was that "leaf media pressure" came with a premium.

Seems Dubas tried that angle as well.

Shanahan didn't fall for it.

 

[Shooter2x]

Excited to see Matthews without Dubas. This will trigger all the Dooblanders but I'm doubling down it was management who held him back and not the other way around.

Notable mention to Nylander as well. Perhaps we unlock that extra gear everyone knows he has that propels him into 100+ point territory. Get these scrubs out who put 40 goal scorers on PP2 for slow skating past their prime players. It has happened more than once.

 

[Trapper]

In order of what to expect:

1. Total breakdown
2. Losing Matthews + Nylander for nothing
3. Run it back to same result
4. Rebuild
5. Winning

Am I missing a level here?

Yes a few

4a. Panic
4b. Name Calling
4c. Blame

 

[Eye Test]

Obviously Dubas’ hires are upset. The easy work culture and long summers off is over thank god. Any work place the staff would want it easy but that doesn’t mean it’s performing at the best it can.

Bring a Gary Roberts (not GM) type to maybe coach or assistant coach or something. Need that brindamor energy

 

[thewave]

Obviously Dubas’ hires are upset. The easy work culture and long summers off is over thank god. Any work place the staff would want it easy but that doesn’t mean it’s performing at the best it can.

Bring a Gary Roberts (not GM) type to maybe coach or assistant coach or something. Need that brindamor energy

Can you imagine Gary yelling at everyone when they are down 3-1 as though he were still playing? I could. He would be an assistant coach that the camera would be on more than the coach for sure lol