Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[SprDaVE]

Don’t underestimate the Darryl Sutter effect.. that really had an impact IMO

I never understood that hiring but sounds like it was made by the board and it doesn't surprise me.

Sutter was a coach of the year finalist the year before though...

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

Like Ballard?

No, like Abramovich.

 

[Gabriel426]

That's on Keefe, and that's on Dubas.

I agree completely. I have been saying since long ago that this is Dubas team, every players were either drafted, developed, signed as UFAs, or renewed by Dubas. He built this team, Keefe is also part of that.
Before the TDL, I have always stated that ECF or bust for Dubas and this team because they have not won anything, since the goal is the Cup and not a round. TDL happened and I loved what Dubas did and thats why I don't mind seeing him coming back.

Dubas's problem is that he betted on the wrong horses. If those horses just showed up like they usually do in the regular season, they would have won a few rounds already, a few ECF and might even won a Cup.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Brad Treliving the favourite, per Chris Johnston. To the shitter we go. Thank you Shanahan.

Hard to get a read in Treliving.. Flames owner ship has refused a rebuild so he had a JFJ like role there. But there was some success.

He’s made some good and bad moves but largely seems more like a puppet for upper management.. so maybe that works with Shanny directing who he wants on the

 

[Menzinger]

That’s my concern too. We need a competent GM fast. This came at the very worst time. As if Dubas made sure the NMCs and Nylander M-NTC all line up with his own contract expiry; all designed to leverage them to Dubas’s own personal advantage.

The MLSE board could have taken care of the GM contract any time they wanted. Either via a Dubas extension or by an external search for someone else. There was zero need for this to unfold the way it did

 

[GQS]

It's not just about bad contracts. He's made so many errors that cost the team badly

He waived Big Mac for Sparks who he had to kick out of the locker room a week before our playoff qualifier we lost. LOL.

He waived Hainsey who Reilz had a career year with. Decided Codi Ceci was a better option. Reilz of course suffered.

Failed to insulate Kadri going into that 2nd suspension season. When Simmonds went for peanuts to Jersey. Dubas got Wayne a few years late

Gave up a 1st to dump a year of Marleau

Continued to hand out 1sts for failed deadline acquisitions

He managed to turn gold into straw. It's impressively bad.

So you can't name any other bad contracts that he supposedly handed out? OK.

As for Mac and Sparks. In the end who cares? Both are backups at most.

If Rielly is as good as we hope he would be he wouldn't need another player to help carry him and instead should be the one making his partner better. He played really well in the playoffs and looked good with Schenn. Now lets see if Rielly can play like that for most of the rest of his contract or does he need a good partner to do so.

Simmonds was bad for a number of years with Philly which was why they wanted to get rid of him. Didn't want the Leafs to get him, but at least he was dirt cheap.

Marleau was a bad Lou signing. Blame it on him.

Foligno was bad to give up a 1st for even if he weren't injured. I don't have too much of a problem with the picks that Dubas gave up this past trade deadline to improve the team.

So Dubas isn't perfect, but most of his moves were decent if not really good and made sense unlike many of the moves previous Leafs GMs have made.

 

[hockeywiz542]

What led to Kyle Dubas’ departure? | OverDrive

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May 19, 2023 OverDrive

Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan breakdown Brendan Shanahan’s comments regarding the departure of GM Kyle Dubas and they discuss where the organization goes from here.

 

[Racer88]

"I gotta see if my family is doing ok and ok with me continuing"

*sends an email asking for $7M*

We now know the price of his family’s consent

 

[Gabriel426]

Hard to get a read in Treliving.. Flames owner ship has refused a rebuild so he had a JFJ like role there. But there was some success.

He’s made some good and bad moves but largely seems more like a puppet for upper management.. so maybe that works with Shanny directing who he wants on the

1. Flames is not letting anyone speak to him
2. I admire what he did last summer, the odds was against him in the Tkachuk trade, with Johnny already signed elsewhere, Tkachuk demanded to be traded to Panthers and medias saying nobody wants to play in Calgary... yet he got Hubie, Weegar and a 1st. Thats an amazing horde. Hubie struggles this past season but if he scores like he can next season or two, the deal looks great again.
3. Treliving is also not afraid to mix it up with trades or signings and pretty good at draft too

Having said all that, he doesn't have a winning resume on the teams he built, so I will pass.

 

[Petrus]

Also ironic, Kyle finally showed some balls and it got him fired lol

He used an agent because he was uncomfortable with his ask. He was weak even in the end!

 

[3blizzard4]

He used an agent because he was uncomfortable with his ask. He was weak even in the end!

He saw the way the players agents took him to the cleaners and said I want some of that moola too!

He had zero faith in himself to conduct the negotiations.

 

[thewave]

What led to Kyle Dubas’ departure? | OverDrive

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May 19, 2023 OverDrive

Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan breakdown Brendan Shanahan’s comments regarding the departure of GM Kyle Dubas and they discuss where the organization goes from here.

Junk take. Shanny 100% has talked to other people, I mean how naive do they think we are? There is a plan B and C. Nobody at that level does that. Everyone knew if they didn't win it was likely Dubas was gone.

It's all spin spin spin.

 

[Squiffy]

Alright, here's my current read. Those of you not too busy either dancing on Dubas grave or crying over it can let me know what you think.

I'm not in to conspiracy stuff. My son was in near tears today because he couldn't find his camp knife, thought his sister took it and hid it. OR.. is it in the pile of laundry from the shirt you were wearing whose pocket it was in bud lol... there it is of course.

Okay, so what happened here? Something went sideways. Probably never know what. But here's my take.

Everything is tickety-boo in this story right up to Sunday from Shanahan's telling. They have maintained respectful communication, Shanahan walks in with an extension based on negioiations with agent, it is well received, tells Kyle go talk it over with the family first, and they talk for hours about the team. Par for the course.

Something, not worth guessing at, happens Sunday night in the Dubas household on a family level. Has to be right? He finds out.. something.. about how hard it has been on his family. Enough that it makes him go "god damn eh?".

So he comes in Monday genuinely rattled. Has that bizarre presser which I will continue to believe was honest emotion. Now we are gone sideways.

Bunkers down a couple of days really hashing it out with the family. There is some serious concerns about what he has learned.. I am not suggesting anything sinister, maybe it is just like hey Kyle, this is not how I can live for another 5 years, it's too much? Whatever. Something that is genuinely enough to be considering can I really keep doing this job.

The end of that process leads to Thursday, he has decided with his family that it's not worth it unless they can agree to some big league conditions, monetary among them, and emails Shanahan all about it. Seems like an emotional decision, which as usual are poor ones. I bet he's thinking this is a reasonable request based on what I have learned about my family here.

Shanahan, as a president should, has watched this go down with growing concern, and correctly surmises.. it ain't working out for him or us here, time to cut bait.

You'd think a massive miscalculation by Dubas, and probably so, but in the end it's kinda like he said Monday.. he had to decide if he was able to continue doing the job, decided only if the compensation was dramatically increased, and was told no thanks.

Dude, I think we broke him.

 

[Stephen]

Though it should be expected of anyone in the front office.

Imo the fact that Shanny took his time to speak until Friday is more suspect than Dubas' speaking his mind on Monday

Shanahan isn’t really on trial though. He’s acting on behalf of the presidency and the board. If his account is to be trusted, adviser Dubas against speak on Monday to have what I would assume would be a united front. Dubas spoke on behalf of himself.

 

[Stephen]

Don’t underestimate the Darryl Sutter effect.. that really had an impact IMO

Darryl Sutter is like a one shot epipen for a hockey program. Probably same thing with Gerard Gallant.

 

[7even]

Junk take. Shanny 100% has talked to other people, I mean how naive do they think we are? There is a plan B and C. Nobody at that level does that. Everyone knew if they didn't win it was likely Dubas was gone.

It's all spin spin spin.

Doesn't the organization have a motivation to not look like it's flying by the seat of its pants

Like wouldn't that be a stronger bargaining position, to say there's people you're looking at already

 

[Petrus]

The MLSE board could have taken care of the GM contract any time they wanted. Either via a Dubas extension or by an external search for someone else. There was zero need for this to unfold the way it did

It sounded like MLSE didn’t want to extend last year and rightfully so given the results.

This failure was all on Dubas given there was a framework in place (in March) approved by the board that was worked out with Dubas and his agent’s collaboration.

In the end He was noncommittal to the task at hand, was greedy and put Shanny in a very difficult position.

If that is the kind of leader he is that is what the players will emulate.

If your GM cannot commit to his own plan of his own making what makes you think the players will.

 

[Phion Keneuf]

It’s a weird feeling right now. For better or for worse.

Change had to be made, so here it is. Let’s see what happens.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Doesn't the organization have a motivation to not look like it's flying by the seat of its pants

Like wouldn't that be a stronger bargaining position, to say there's people you're looking at already

The way this has turned out, I wouldn’t trust any personal guarantees even from Shanny if I was either of Matthews/Nylander considering Bell/Rogers might decide he’s let things get too chaotic and are looking for a replacement as we speak.

 

[7even]

It’s a weird feeling right now. For better or for worse.

Change had to be made, so here it is. Let’s see what happens.

Just don't f*** up the Marner trade, that's all I really care about

 

[thewave]

Doesn't the organization have a motivation to not look like it's flying by the seat of its pants

Like wouldn't that be a stronger bargaining position, to say there's people you're looking at already

Shanny has been off and out of sight the whole season. The disconnect between the two seemed obvious to most people. The guy has time to play a round of golf, do lunch or whatever with people in the industry that may be suitable. Even internally, can Shanny not have an exploratory meeting with Pridham? Pick his brain on the direction, or Hunter for that matter just down the road.

There has to be a plan B at the very least. If he didn't have a plan B he is a terrible executive.

 

[7even]

Shanny has been off and out of sight the whole season. The disconnect between the two seemed obvious to most people. The guy has time to play a round of golf, do lunch or whatever with people in the industry that may be suitable. Even internally, can Shanny not have a meeting with Pridham? Pick his brain on the direction, or Hunter for that matter just down the road.

There has to be a plan B at the very least. If he didn't have a plan B he is a terrible executive.

He had a weird vibe in the press conference right? And it was unusually detailed. Feels like there's a lot going on there.

 

[yubbers]

So you can't name any other bad contracts that he supposedly handed out? OK.

As for Mac and Sparks. In the end who cares? Both are backups at most.

If Rielly is as good as we hope he would be he wouldn't need another player to help carry him and instead should be the one making his partner better. He played really well in the playoffs and looked good with Schenn. Now lets see if Rielly can play like that for most of the rest of his contract or does he need a good partner to do so.

Simmonds was bad for a number of years with Philly which was why they wanted to get rid of him. Didn't want the Leafs to get him, but at least he was dirt cheap.

Marleau was a bad Lou signing. Blame it on him.

Foligno was bad to give up a 1st for even if he weren't injured. I don't have too much of a problem with the picks that Dubas gave up this past trade deadline to improve the team.

So Dubas isn't perfect, but most of his moves were decent if not really good and made sense unlike many of the moves previous Leafs GMs have made.

WHo cares? He WAIVED a surefire backup to bring in a known hothead that bled points all year and we literally missed the playoffs losing the qualifier to Columbus.

Oh and we gave up a 1st to dump Marleau for cap space that year. LOL

DISASTER

 

[57 Years No Cup]

Using terms like "alpha" and "beta" to describe people is cringe as hell.

That's what all betas say....

 

[3blizzard4]

He had a weird vibe in the press conference right? And it was unusually detailed. Feels like there's a lot going on there.

Agree.

Remember when they usually talk its what they want out there as the narrative. And he talked a lot.

So there must be a ton of shit that we dont know about. He just told us the bare minimum.