Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas named President of Hockey Operations

[maxpenguins6630]

But I would have liked Greeley as GM

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Friedman says Dubas got 7 years. He's the guy for the now and the rebuild.

Why would he have taken the job without a long term commitment?

If the Pens didn't step up to meet his demands other teams reportedly would have.

Toronto refused. Time will tell if that was a stupid decision.

I certainly think Dubas to Treliving is a dowgrade.

 

[USMC607]

Why would he have taken the job without a long term commitment?

If the Pens didn't step up to meet his demands other teams reportedly would have.

Toronto refused. Time will tell if that was a stupid decision.

I certainly think Dubas to Treliving is a dowgrade.

100% a downgrade but some Leafs fans are wild and are gonna claim it to be better (for now) as well as slam any and all moves Dubas makes from here on out because some how they've spun Dubas being let go

Into Dubas bamboozling them and wanting to leave the whole time.

And God forbid he find another job after he's let go. He needed to take at least a full year off because of his Toronto or nothing comment.

I guess if he'd have said well if u guys don't want me I'll just go somewhere else. They'd have been cool with that....(joking of course)

 

[66-30-33]

But I would have liked Greeley as GM

I'd have liked him looking at the Stars roster.

 

[Empoleon8771]

FYI Friedman was talking about Dubas' contract with the Penguins and it's allegedly 7 years.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

100% a downgrade but some Leafs fans are wild and are gonna claim it to be better (for now) as well as slam any and all moves Dubas makes from here on out because some how they've spun Dubas being let go

Into Dubas bamboozling them and wanting to leave the whole time.

And God forbid he find another job after he's let go. He needed to take at least a full year off because of his Toronto or nothing comment.

I guess if he'd have said well if u guys don't want me I'll just go somewhere else. They'd have been cool with that....(joking of course)

I don't believe that Dubas wanted to leave Toronto.

He simply knew his worth and made his demands. Toronto refused to accept, which was their right. Other teams were able and willing to meet those demands. And yes, I said teams.

It is no different than if a valuable employee got a job offer with a promotion and pay raise and asked you to match. If you don't then there is no good or bad guy. Just something that happens every day.

Same thing with Sullivan. If the Pens fired him he would be hired the next day with teams bidding for him. Starting with the Rangers.

 

[Allie Kitsune]

I’m surprised that FSG bought the team and then was okay with a farewell tour, but as a sports fan (not even specifically a penguins fan), allowing a generational core to finish their careers together should always be the move, imo. This is such a rare thing, it should be encouraged and celebrated. I hope they get one more good run. I don’t think they can do it, but a 3rd round run for these guys would be spectacular

I honestly don't think there was any other move.

I know some people are way more mercenary than they are sentimental, and feel like shipping them out was the more intellectual play, but this team would either be in Kansas City or Hamilton without Sid and Geno. They should be here as long as they want to be.

 

[Captain Hook]

FYI Friedman was talking about Dubas' contract with the Penguins and it's allegedly 7 years.

Interesting. I figured they'd have to make a fairly long-term commitment to him given the unique challenges ahead with the older core and a rebuild coming.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

Lol…seven years to match Sullivan’s contract…

Friedman says Dubas got 7 years. He's the guy for the now and the rebuild.

I was going to say, "So Dubas got half of Sullivan's term?"

 

[Pens x]

Sullivan on same page as Dubas to have Penguins contend for Stanley Cup​

Coach agrees with new boss that it's best to 'surround' Crosby, Malkin, Letang with more talent​

Sullivan on same page as Dubas to have Penguins contend for Stanley Cup | NHL.com

Coach agrees with new boss that it's best to 'surround' Crosby, Malkin, Letang with more talent

www.nhl.com

Speed is what's most needed, Sullivan said.

Oh I'm going to vomit

Speed, being a midget, topping out as a 4th liner are the keys to Sully’s heart.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

Seven year commitment to Dubas! FSG won my heart with this process. Now he's got the control to execute his vision over the rebuild, without morons in his way.
There's almost no Pres/GM I would trust more to handle this. 11 years in the AHL as scout/GM. He knows what proper development looks like.

 

[DesertedPenguin]

Year 7 is probably FSG's initial target for when they expect to start trending up again after the inevitable decline. You figure 2-3 years left of competing with the core. As they start to retire, you start accumulating assets for 2-3 years, accept that you'll likely miss the playoffs. And then you quickly build back up.

Based on Dubas' comments of trying to shorten the gap, that timeline would make sense. And if they are pleased with the track the team is on, he'll get an extension.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

However this turns out, a couple of things that you have to love about this move regarding FSG:

They are willing to spend significant capital to secure who they obviously perceived as the very best out there. And suppress their egos enough to give him all the power to implement his vision without interference.

They show that they have the patience of the best part of a decade to give that vision a chance to work.

 

[Josey Wales]

However this turns out, a couple of things that you have to love about this move regarding FSG:

They are willing to spend significant capital to secure who they obviously perceived as the very best out there. And suppress their egos enough to give him all the power to implement his vision without interference.

They show that they have the patience of the best part of a decade to give that vision a chance to work.

Yes ! there is no salary Cap on hiring people, But some here still turn it into a chance to rip Sullivan That is some Pretzel Logic

 

[Pens x]

However this turns out, a couple of things that you have to love about this move regarding FSG:

They are willing to spend significant capital to secure who they obviously perceived as the very best out there. And suppress their egos enough to give him all the power to implement his vision without interference.

They show that they have the patience of the best part of a decade to give that vision a chance to work.

They “suppressed their egos” and left Burke and Hextall run the team into the ground too.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

They “suppressed their egos” and left Burke and Hextall run the team into the ground too.

You would rather that they are an ownership that interferes with decision making?

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

You would rather that they are an ownership that interferes with decision making?

Saw some Pens fans last year — on here and on twitter — who said ownership should’ve intervened in the Grandlund trade. The last thing you want is an ownership group stepping in and blocking GM’s moves. Unless it’s a core member of the team and the GM has to run it by ownership group. That I can understand. Otherwise ownership should step aside and let management do what they want and need to do.

 

[Pens x]

Saw some Pens fans last year — on here and on twitter — who said ownership should’ve intervened in the Grandlund trade. The last thing you want is an ownership group stepping in and blocking GM’s moves. Unless it’s a core member of the team and the GM has to run it by ownership group. That I can understand. Otherwise ownership should step aside and let management do what they want and need to do.

I mean, if ownership knew about that impending dog **** trade, they should have stopped it. I think Hextall was on thin ice, so yes, they should have stepped in if they knew what dumbass was about to do. Normally, no, an ownership group shouldn’t meddle. Unless of course, your team is run by two clowns.

You would rather that they are an ownership that interferes with decision making?

No, but they aren’t interested in hockey, so why interfere?

 

[LOGiK]

Why? Do you watch other teams? Penguins are playing in mud

They are playing in mud for a great many reasons.

 

[ThosePuckingPenguins]

Yeah FSG wasn’t playing around with this hire.

 

[Peat]

Few little nuggets of potential interest

"Other teams believe Dubas will also attempt to bring over Leafs head scout Wes Clark and members of Toronto’s analytics department, although the complicating factor is many of them are under contract.

If the contracts of some of these staffers are structured in such a way that they can leave for a promotion, the Penguins may be able to make inroads that way."

"One thing I recall being really interesting in reporting out that story [in 2017] was that people close to Dubas believed he would be happy to go to a place like Colorado, where he could do more of the “weird” things he wanted with a roster and front office than it felt would be possible in Toronto. That sort of unfettered ability to exact change, without the heavy scrutiny in a large market and a somewhat overbearing ownership situation, always appealed to Dubas, even six years ago.

Now, Pittsburgh isn’t exactly a tiny hockey market. There is going to be prying eyes. But FSG is new to hockey, and they’re going to be turning over the keys in full here. In the president role, Dubas finally should have closer to the total control that he’s long wanted and that he wasn’t going to get by staying in Toronto.

...

So, it’ll be worth keeping an eye on what Dubas does with the Penguins as he builds out that front office and roster. Some of his hiring in Toronto was unorthodox, and some executives with other teams have been critical of the unique four-person AGM set up he put in place, but that may have been only the beginning."

Mirtle: Get ready for a Maple Leafs-Penguins rivalry — on and off the ice

With Kyle Dubas in Pittsburgh and ready for battle in the Eastern Conference with his old team, a heated new rivalry has just been born.

theathletic.com

 

[Jaded-Fan]

Few little nuggets of potential interest

"Other teams believe Dubas will also attempt to bring over Leafs head scout Wes Clark and members of Toronto’s analytics department, although the complicating factor is many of them are under contract.

If the contracts of some of these staffers are structured in such a way that they can leave for a promotion, the Penguins may be able to make inroads that way."

"One thing I recall being really interesting in reporting out that story [in 2017] was that people close to Dubas believed he would be happy to go to a place like Colorado, where he could do more of the “weird” things he wanted with a roster and front office than it felt would be possible in Toronto. That sort of unfettered ability to exact change, without the heavy scrutiny in a large market and a somewhat overbearing ownership situation, always appealed to Dubas, even six years ago.

Now, Pittsburgh isn’t exactly a tiny hockey market. There is going to be prying eyes. But FSG is new to hockey, and they’re going to be turning over the keys in full here. In the president role, Dubas finally should have closer to the total control that he’s long wanted and that he wasn’t going to get by staying in Toronto.

...

So, it’ll be worth keeping an eye on what Dubas does with the Penguins as he builds out that front office and roster. Some of his hiring in Toronto was unorthodox, and some executives with other teams have been critical of the unique four-person AGM set up he put in place, but that may have been only the beginning."

Mirtle: Get ready for a Maple Leafs-Penguins rivalry — on and off the ice

With Kyle Dubas in Pittsburgh and ready for battle in the Eastern Conference with his old team, a heated new rivalry has just been born.

theathletic.com

Makes me love the hire even more.

It was telling that two of the three fires were buddies of Hextall's that he played with.

That old school approach should be dead. Not that being an ex-player should exclude you from the job. Spezza is rumored as a candidate to come over and shouldn’t be excluded simply because he played. But it became too often the sole criterion.

How many dinosaurs did we have in management resistant to any new ideas? Hell, the Pens hired a guy with zero hockey experience once as a top executive because he worked on a political campaign with one of the owners.

I love that this seems like a new direction.

 

[Jaded-Fan]

For those who are going to roast Toronto if this works out for Pittsburgh as I, and frankly most others including respected analysts (yes, Burke complained but I said respected analysts), think is that Dubas basically was making Toronto choose. Shanahan or him.

One big advantage that Pittsburgh had was that there was no power struggle here. Burke and Hextall were gone.

Huge difference.

Much harder call for Toronto.

 

[Sideline]

For those who are going to roast Toronto if this works out for Pittsburgh as I, and frankly most others including respected analysts (yes, Burke complained but I said respected analysts), think is that Dubas basically was making Toronto choose. Shanahan or him.

One big advantage that Pittsburgh had was that there was no power struggle here. Burke and Hextall were gone.

Huge difference.

Much harder call for Toronto.

And before anyone trys to tell you Sullivan is bullet proof long term, I would remind them that Mike Babcock was possibly even more well regarded.

For better or worse this is now the Dubas show. I am optimistic because after last season I knew there was 0 chance of another Sid and Geno cup with Hextall. Worst Dubas can do is set the eventual rebuild back a couple years. Best case he actually does some really innovative stuff and gets a couple more good runs in along the way.

 

[Ryder71]

Yeah FSG wasn’t playing around with this hire.

When you're running the show you are paid like it. One thing about FSG, money is almost no object to them. They just want to be consistently excellent! It's not to say they'll be frivolous, but they pay for quality. I'm very proud of them at the moment!