Kyle Dubas - - Horrible Asset Mismanagement

[TMLAM34]

I’m hoping the Leafs can somehow acquire Adrian Kempe from LA. Not sure what they would be looking for but maybe a deal that includes Travis Dermott.

Kerfoot + Dermott for Kempe and a 3rd.

Then sign Tatar.


Kempe - Matthews - Nylander
Bunting - Tavares - Marner
Tatar - Kampf - Mikheyev
Simmonds - Brooks - Spezza

 

[Garthinater]

They scratched him in the one game prior to the trade deadline (after he played the entire year), like a bunch of teams do with their potential trade targets, and then Foligno had around 2 weeks of quarantine and rest before he joined the team, to heal any bumps and bruises. Which is why his best games of any were when we first joined the team, before getting injured multiple times in Leaf games.

Columbus Blue Jackets F Nick Foligno (upper-body) out vs. Chicago Blackhawks, listed as day-to-day - TSN.ca

Columbus said foligno had an upper body injury. Fairly sure it would be illegal for them to make that up.

Show me other teams who said their player was injured and then traded them right away. Especially for a 1st round pick. Not scratched either. Injured.

 

[A1LeafNation]

So Dubas got cap space? Please explain.

I did.

 

[Azail]

Somehow my statement lead you to believe that I think all teams that make the PO trade their ufas?

Don't hurt yourself with that reach.

Dubas could've gotten 2 free draft picks for hyamn and refused. How is that making us a better team?

Many on this board said we should've traded freddy a year or more ago but dubas refused and here we are. Still no PO wins and freddy is gone for nothing. Is that good enough for you?

This thread is about asset management. Dubas has traded away multiple 1sts and lost many of his own rentals in an attempt to win and has failed each time.

He has been terrible at asset management.

Again I didn't quote you, but more a general statement about what a lot of posters say on here.

Truth is every team losses assets when they are going for it, and in hindsight it always looks horrible. I thought Foligno, like many hockey analysts, thought it was what they needed. In reality it worked horribly and he was a broken player his time here.

If you think trading Freddy away prior to the season starting when he was our defacto starter, then all the power to you. You won't find many other teams going for it trading away their number 1.

Maybe we should just stay status quo and not ever trade assets to improve the team?

Division leaders going into the playoffs shouldn't trade their draft capital to bolster the team?

Don't worry, I stretched before this post. I'll be fine. Appreciate the concern though.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Columbus Blue Jackets F Nick Foligno (upper-body) out vs. Chicago Blackhawks, listed as day-to-day - TSN.ca

Funny how many players that are specifically trade targets have "injuries" during specifically the one game before the trade deadline. What a coincidence! But okay, let's go with your version. He had played every other game, and it was "day-to-day", so how exactly do you conclude that he was injured when he played his first post-quarantine game 2 weeks later? Those were literally his best games. The simple fact is, Foligno missed games with the Leafs because of injuries sustained with the Leafs, and it's pretty ridiculous to blame a GM for a player getting injured.

 

[Bomber0104]

Funny how many players that are specifically trade targets have "injuries" during specifically the one game before the trade deadline. What a coincidence! But okay, let's go with your version. He had played every other game, and it was "day-to-day", so how exactly do you conclude that he was injured when he played his first post-quarantine game 2 weeks later? Those were literally his best games. The simple fact is, Foligno missed games with the Leafs because of injuries sustained with the Leafs, and it's pretty ridiculous to blame a GM for a player getting injured.

Yeah I mean we only have none other than Nick Foligno telling reporters that he had a pre-existing injury sustained before the Leafs acquired him...

But yeah, I'm sure he's publicly lying about his own injury in order to make Kyle Dubas look bad...err...excuse me... even more incompetent than he's already shown to be.

 

[34]

B.C. have had terrible wildfires this year.

Lol

Not quite a valid excuse for Dubas.

I guess all Toronto fans have for sports now is the Blue Jays. I really think the Leafs are going to be missing the playoffs for years to come now.

 

[egd27]

I did.

You mean this?

Edmonton was trying to buy cap space and Dubas was selling it to them.

I don't think you guys actually get how that transaction went down.

Edmonton wanted to buy cap space, they were already getting Hyman.

So if Dubas didn't sell them the cap space, he must still have it......where is it ?

 

[A1LeafNation]

You mean this?



So if Dubas didn't sell them the cap space, he must still have it......where is it ?

Dubas was offering them cap savings. Edmonton chose to spend 500k more for 7 years. Check cap friendly under the Oilers.

 

[harvestglen]

Cap savings shouldn't be worth nearly as much as cap trading.

 

[egd27]

Dubas was offering them cap savings. Edmonton chose to spend 500k more for 7 years. Check cap friendly under the Oilers.

Right.

Edmonton got Hyman at a higher AAV and Dubas lost Hyman, a couple of potential draft picks, and perhaps some goodwill from an future HOF GM.

But he he did get..............wait, what did he get?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Right.

Edmonton got Hyman at a higher AAV and Dubas lost Hyman, a couple of potential draft picks, and perhaps some goodwill from an future HOF GM.

But he he did get..............wait, what did he get?

Did he need to get anything?

 

[PromisedLand]

Well said.

Compare to the Islanders who have won twice as many games as us in the PO over the last 3 years with lou in charge.

These same dubas fan boys love to harp on the Islanders yet they keep winning and their boy keeps failing. You think they would learn.

if dubas hasn't learned what makes you think his fan club will?

learning by definition is an activity that is conducted via logic and rationale; something that is alien to dubas

 

[Stephen]

Right.

Edmonton got Hyman at a higher AAV and Dubas lost Hyman, a couple of potential draft picks, and perhaps some goodwill from an future HOF GM.

But he he did get..............wait, what did he get?

The Leafs basically jammed up the Oilers for $3.5 million total in cap non savings over the next 7 years and acquired zero marginal assets. Not the most productive sequence...

If anything they could have worked a little closer with Hyman and Andersen and traded their negotiation rights to various suitors for those marginal picks up front and everyone would have saved face.

Again, not the most critical asset management moves but would have at least been productive for the Leafs.

 

[PromisedLand]

Like I said - I am by no means a Dubas supporter and in fact think he's flubbed this offseason with the exception of Bunting. But many were clamouring for a Foligno type, myself included, and it didn't work out. That shit happens. I still would have done Hall (who wanted to come here apparently) for the lower acquisition cost, but I also have to question if Foligno was actually damaged goods when acquired or not. That I really don't know, heard conflicting reports either way. You have to think even Dubas, even Ken Holland, is not dumb enough to trade a 1st for someone they know is injured.



This x5.

Dubas did not flub this offseason. He has handcuffed and cornered himself and the team to such an extent that he couldn't do much in the offseason. there was no cap left to do a significant upgrade for quality depth (forwards or defense).

this off season is the direct result of overpayments and a completely unfounded opinion of winning with 50% of the cap dedicated to 4 forwards.

It is basically an if-then analogy. If he had cap space then he could have done something (assuming that something is good).

 

[PromisedLand]

Why did our GM allow Hyman to talk to another team without a clear compensation package pre arranged and agreed upon?

Precisely terms of engagement should have been

- if you want access to the player before market opens it is a 6th round pick (like other teams have done).

- if you want a sign and trade then it is extra

How hard is it? a grade 6 student can work this logic. it is amazing how people have defended this guy who has done nothing but ruined the team and any future is beyond me.

Is this a Toronto Maple Leafs board? Is there where Toronto Maple Leafs fans discuss the team and how it can improve?

 

[saffronleaf]

Goooobas

 

[notbias]

Why did our GM allow Hyman to talk to another team without a clear compensation package pre arranged and agreed upon?

Why did other GMs allow this?
Crazy thought, but getting an idea if a player will resign before free agency is beneficial to a team as well.

 

[colchar]

Dubas did not flub this offseason. He has handcuffed and cornered himself and the team to such an extent that he couldn't do much in the offseason. there was no cap left to do a significant upgrade for quality depth (forwards or defense).

this off season is the direct result of overpayments and a completely unfounded opinion of winning with 50% of the cap dedicated to 4 forwards.

It is basically an if-then analogy. If he had cap space then he could have done something (assuming that something is good).

I've always been a Marner supporter and one of Willie's biggest detractors, but even I am thinking that Marner has to go so that his salary can be used elsewhere. It was their playoff performances that changed my mind.

I can't see Kyle 'Spreadsheet' Dubas trading him though.

 

[egd27]

Did he need to get anything?

Do NHL hockey teams need draft picks?

Given the Leafs have no 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th, and have a conditional deal to give away their 7th at next years' draft, why would anyone in their right mind turn down 2 potential picks that cost nothing ?

 

[The CyNick]

Right.

Edmonton got Hyman at a higher AAV and Dubas lost Hyman, a couple of potential draft picks, and perhaps some goodwill from an future HOF GM.

But he he did get..............wait, what did he get?

Expected cap space from the players he didn't draft. 5D chess.

 

[Garthinater]

Funny how many players that are specifically trade targets have "injuries" during specifically the one game before the trade deadline. What a coincidence! But okay, let's go with your version. He had played every other game, and it was "day-to-day", so how exactly do you conclude that he was injured when he played his first post-quarantine game 2 weeks later? Those were literally his best games. The simple fact is, Foligno missed games with the Leafs because of injuries sustained with the Leafs, and it's pretty ridiculous to blame a GM for a player getting injured.

Show me other examples of players who were traded right after their team said they were injured.

I'll wait.

Also, foligno himself said he was injured before he came here.

 

[PromisedLand]

Talking to Hyman wasn't worth anything. The only thing that was worth something was a sign and trade that saved Edmonton ~500k for 8 years.

Might want to check in on how competent management works for the benefit of their team. Here is one example from this season where TBL gets a pick for UFA rights negotiations (twitter post below).

If Leafs did not want to do a sign and trade for less than 2nd or 3rd then they should have at least gotten something for giving early negotiating rights to edmonton for hyman. if not, edmonton can wait till UFA market opens like other teams.

 

[Garthinater]

Yeah I mean we only have none other than Nick Foligno telling reporters that he had a pre-existing injury sustained before the Leafs acquired him...

But yeah, I'm sure he's publicly lying about his own injury in order to make Kyle Dubas look bad...err...excuse me... even more incompetent than he's already shown to be.

Boy dekes sure is good for a laugh!

Does he honestly think anyone believes him?

Columbus said he was injured.

Foligno said he was injured.

But both were lying and he was actually healthy when dubas gave up a 1st round pick for him?

 

[Garthinater]

Do NHL hockey teams need draft picks?

Given the Leafs have no 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th, and have a conditional deal to give away their 7th at next years' draft, why would anyone in their right mind turn down 2 potential picks that cost nothing ?

Only dubas fans can convince themselves free draft picks are not needed. Literally makes no sense. Especially when we have so few next year.