Kyle Dubas - - Horrible Asset Mismanagement

[Mr Knies Guy]

Which is why the summer before their last year, he should have made an assessment that he was not going to resign them and let them walk for no value. We do 1 year, 3 year and 5 year projections at my work, we have a pretty solid understanding of what our expenses (with in a small deviance) are and what our revenues are years in advance, no one can convince me he didn't know that he would not have money for Andersen and Hyman. I'm sure a year ago a Mrazek like goalie was available on the UFA market. If a goalie of that skill level is good enough now, why not a year ago?

Two things you never do in business, pay full price for anything and let something go for nothing. This franchise has been piss poor with their asset management over the last half decade.

Oh don't get me wrong, I don't like the asset management from Dubas on the whole. I was just saying at the point of the TDL, you don't trade Hyman or Andy unless you're bringing in quantifiable upgrades, at least, lateral quality but with term

 

[rumman]

Don't forget in Situation A - in addition to receiving absolutely nothing - we also get to "screw over" Edmonton/Ken Holland for $500k of capspace..

Apparently there's value in that for the Leafs!

This isn’t over, “what goes around comes around.” Paybacks a bitch…..

 

[34]

Hopefully his last offseason as GM.

Very good chance it is. He has run out of excuses!


The leafs will miss the playoffs this season. After that I suspect he gets served.

 

[egd27]

Today felt like that, just trying to plug holes, warm bodies.

Using dollar store duct tape instead of the good home depot kind.

 

[Azail]

You don't trade Freddy or your top line LW at the trade deadline unless you're getting an upgrade on both.

It's hilarious how people think every other team that is going into the playoffs liquidates their UFAs. No one does this. Teams that are on the damn bubble add to try and get into the playoffs, let alone a team that WON their division.

I'm convinced people here don't actually watch or follow the NHL.

Trading your top line winger as the division winner because you might lose him in UFA, give me a break.

 

[Garthinater]

You don't trade Freddy or your top line LW at the trade deadline unless you're getting an upgrade on both.

Maybe have some foresight? Don't trade a 1st for an injured foligno. Or is that to much to ask for?

It's funny how nothing is dubas' fault, there's always someone (babs, lou) or something to blame it on.

 

[Garthinater]

No, the situation doesn't apply to Hyman though.

How does that situation not apply to hyman?

Either way we lose hyman. The difference is that one option is we get 2 draft picks vs nothing at all.

 

[Garthinater]

He'd look weak and foolish either way

He priced it based on what $500k out of $5M retention, and other signing-rights deals look like
I would have taken the picks, I think it's a better deal to get something over nothing, but trading "below" market value, or doubling back and caving, you know would have brought out tonnes of hate for being a pushover and having no spine

I'm probably one of dubas' biggest critics and I wouldn't have cared one bit if he lowered his ask on the Hyman deal.

That's how negotiations work. But Kyle doesn't seem to understand that.

I dont know how kyle thought he was helping the leafs get better by refusing 2 draft picks when it cost the leafs nothing in return. Terrible asset management.

 

[Garthinater]

He looks weak and foolish right now for getting nothing. Maybe price that deal more appropriately? If I'm management, I take note of this failure. Not huge value loss in the big picture but its a symptom of the real problem. Dubas has to be removed ASAP before more damage is done. This roster is getting worse, not better.

Well said.

Compare to the Islanders who have won twice as many games as us in the PO over the last 3 years with lou in charge.

These same dubas fan boys love to harp on the Islanders yet they keep winning and their boy keeps failing. You think they would learn.

 

[egd27]

But if they succeed in 21-22, say, and happen to win 1 or 2 playoff rounds...is that because of Dubas? Or in spite of Dubas?

Let's cross that bridge if we come to it.

 

[All Mod Cons]

You can probably literally sign guys that were projected to go in the 5th and 7th round right now.

What's the point.

Do you like Abramov, Abruzzese or Miettenen?

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

Maybe have some foresight? Don't trade a 1st for an injured foligno. Or is that to much to ask for?

It's funny how nothing is dubas' fault, there's always someone (babs, lou) or something to blame it on.

Like I said - I am by no means a Dubas supporter and in fact think he's flubbed this offseason with the exception of Bunting. But many were clamouring for a Foligno type, myself included, and it didn't work out. That shit happens. I still would have done Hall (who wanted to come here apparently) for the lower acquisition cost, but I also have to question if Foligno was actually damaged goods when acquired or not. That I really don't know, heard conflicting reports either way. You have to think even Dubas, even Ken Holland, is not dumb enough to trade a 1st for someone they know is injured.

It's hilarious how people think every other team that is going into the playoffs liquidates their UFAs. No one does this. Teams that are on the damn bubble add to try and get into the playoffs, let alone a team that WON their division.

I'm convinced people here don't actually watch or follow the NHL.

Trading your top line winger as the division winner because you might lose him in UFA, give me a break.

This x5.

 

[Garthinater]

The car in this case is cap space. He was selling cap space not Hyman.

So just to be clear:

Situation A
We lose hyman to fa and get nothing in return.

Situation B
We lose hyman but via trade and get 2 picks back

You honestly think situation A is better for the leafs?

 

[All Mod Cons]

He'd look weak and foolish either way

He priced it based on what $500k out of $5M retention, and other signing-rights deals look like
I would have taken the picks, I think it's a better deal to get something over nothing, but trading "below" market value, or doubling back and caving, you know would have brought out tonnes of hate for being a pushover and having no spine

Why did our GM allow Hyman to talk to another team without a clear compensation package pre arranged and agreed upon?

 

[Garthinater]

It's hilarious how people think every other team that is going into the playoffs liquidates their UFAs. No one does this. Teams that are on the damn bubble add to try and get into the playoffs, let alone a team that WON their division.

I'm convinced people here don't actually watch or follow the NHL.

Trading your top line winger as the division winner because you might lose him in UFA, give me a break.

Who said the bolded?

Also who is this "top line winger" you speak of? Foligno? Because I never said dubas shouldve traded him. In fact, I said dubas shouldn't have traded for him. Especially a 1st. Were you excited when dubas traded a 1st for an injured foligno? Be honest.

Or are you talking about hyman? I never said we should've traded him before the PO either. But I dont know how dubas refused 2 free draft picks and thinks he's helping the team get better.

At this point is seems like intentional sabotage.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Very good chance it is. He has run out of excuses!


The leafs will miss the playoffs this season. After that I suspect he gets served.

B.C. have had terrible wildfires this year.

 

[Garthinater]

Like I said - I am by no means a Dubas supporter and in fact think he's flubbed this offseason with the exception of Bunting. But many were clamouring for a Foligno type, myself included, and it didn't work out. That shit happens. I still would have done Hall (who wanted to come here apparently) for the lower acquisition cost, but I also have to question if Foligno was actually damaged goods when acquired or not. That I really don't know, heard conflicting reports either way. You have to think even Dubas, even Ken Holland, is not dumb enough to trade a 1st for someone they know is injured.



This x5.

Days before we acquired foligno columbus scratched him with an injury. I doubt they made it up. That would most likely be illegal.

Dubas is just that bad.

He has traded multiple 1st round picks and then lost lots of players that he could've traded. He didn't because he thought his team was good enough and was wrong.

This thread is about asset management and dubas has been horrible at it.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Why did our GM allow Hyman to talk to another team without a clear compensation package pre arranged and agree upon?

Talking to Hyman wasn't worth anything. The only thing that was worth something was a sign and trade that saved Edmonton ~500k for 8 years.

 

[egd27]

The car in this case is cap space. He was selling cap space not Hyman.

So Dubas got cap space? Please explain.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Talking to Hyman wasn't worth anything. The only thing that was worth something was a sign and trade that saved Edmonton ~500k for 8 years.

Then you let it run it's course. Unless you want to talk to Hyman, he remains the Leafs property until the 28th. If you want to talk to him, you pay.

 

[Azail]

Who said the bolded?

Also who is this "top line winger" you speak of? Foligno? Because I never said dubas shouldve traded him. In fact, I said dubas shouldn't have traded for him. Especially a 1st.

I didn't quote you, but you also did state 'Dubas decided to keep Hyman and Freddy when he knew he was going to lose them the next season.' Not sure how else I'm supposed to interpret that statement... Unless you wanted him to trade them away prior to the season starting? And leave us with no top line winger. Sorry for my confusion.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Days before we acquired foligno columbus scratched him with an injury.

They scratched him in the one game prior to the trade deadline (after he played the entire year), like a bunch of teams do with their potential trade targets, and then Foligno had around 2 weeks of quarantine and rest before he joined the team, to heal any bumps and bruises. Which is why his best games of any were when we first joined the team, before getting injured multiple times in Leaf games.

 

[Garthinater]

I didn't quote you, but you also did state 'Dubas decided to keep Hyman and Freddy when he knew he was going to lose them the next season.' Not sure how else I'm supposed to interpret that statement... Unless you wanted him to trade them away prior to the season starting? And leave us with no top line winger. Sorry for my confusion.

Somehow my statement lead you to believe that I think all teams that make the PO trade their ufas?

Don't hurt yourself with that reach.

Dubas could've gotten 2 free draft picks for hyamn and refused. How is that making us a better team?

Many on this board said we should've traded freddy a year or more ago but dubas refused and here we are. Still no PO wins and freddy is gone for nothing. Is that good enough for you?

This thread is about asset management. Dubas has traded away multiple 1sts and lost many of his own rentals in an attempt to win and has failed each time.

He has been terrible at asset management.

 

[egd27]

How does that situation not apply to hyman?

Either way we lose hyman. The difference is that one option is we get 2 draft picks vs nothing at all.

Perhaps we should just be thankful the Kid Kyle didn't give Holland next year's 1st to take Hyman.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Then you let it run it's course. Unless you want to talk to Hyman, he remains the Leafs property until the 28th. If you want to talk to him, you pay.

Everybody was talking to everybody before the 28th, if you didn't notice. Your scenario is worse. Talking to Hyman was the only reason we even had potential for a deal in the first place.