Kyle Dubas - - Horrible Asset Mismanagement

[Transplanted Caper]

Lots of people don't like Dubas and have different team building philosophies, that's fine, but griping about stuff like this is either complaining for the sake of complaining or just showing a fundamental ignorance about the situation.

 

[MagicalRazor]

I was mad at first as well but then I liked his reasoning When he explained it.

he said he’s doing Edmonton a favour by saving them 700-800k a Season if he traded his rights.

He understands how valuable that amount a cap can be .

Pretty much hoping they were going to be in a cap crunch in the future which will most likely happen

 

[All Mod Cons]

Just curious about your 5, I’m assuming one is the Kadri deal and the retention on the Kessel deal but other than that?

Foligno. Marchment. Rittich and however the shit Martin Marincin became a Leaf

 

[Leaf Fans]

$400k in cap space savings is "something". That's the number Sportsnet is guessing they would save.

Yes, something, so not free.

 

[All Mod Cons]

People hated Dubas from before he ever had 1 minute as GM. They wanted Hunter and hated his skill approach. They would never give him benefit of the doubt. Toronto's core has failed Dubas, Dubas has done very well as GM.

Completely false.

 

[TimeZone]

I was mad at first as well but then I liked his reasoning When he explained it.

he said he’s doing Edmonton a favour by saving them 700-800k a Season if he traded his rights.

He understands how valuable that amount a cap can be .

Pretty much hoping they were going to be in a cap crunch in the future which will most likely happen

He should also understand we have/had six Draft picks combined between this and next years Draft.

Pathetic.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

I was mad at first as well but then I liked his reasoning When he explained it.

he said he’s doing Edmonton a favour by saving them 700-800k a Season if he traded his rights.

He understands how valuable that amount a cap can be .

Pretty much hoping they were going to be in a cap crunch in the future which will most likely happen

The savings is not 700-800K.

It’s around 400K per year.

 

[Brobust]

Lots of people don't like Dubas and have different team building philosophies, that's fine, but griping about stuff like this is either complaining for the sake of complaining or just showing a fundamental ignorance about the situation.

I think most of the arguments against Dubas are disingenuous.

He's an above average but overly conservative GM.

 

[2 Slick]

I'm not worried about the loss of a 6th or 7th round draft pick. What I am worried about is the status quo.

Same top four forwards, same top four D, adding some garbage 3rd and 4th liners won't put this team over the top.

This is probably the least excited I've been heading into a regular season in years.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

I think most of the arguments against Dubas are disingenuous.

He's an above average but overly conservative GM.

What is your definition of Conservative?

Signing four players to half of your salary cap is not what I would consider Conservative.

 

[Racer88]

Well that might say something about how you comment here then no?

No. What does the like button have to do with comments I make. By its very nature it is a button to like other people’s comments…….not my own
Do only people that agree with you deserve a like button

 

[Brobust]

What is your definition of Conservative?

Signing four players to half of your salary cap is not what I would consider Conservative.

Unfortunately Toronto got 4 great players. If you think that's an issue go cheer for Buffalo or some other shit team.

The Jared McCann trade and exposure is an example, not pulling the trigger on the Weegar trade, not trading Andersen etc etc.

He's played it safe too often for my liking.

 

[MapleLeafs9]

I guess everybody that loses free agents have horrible asset management capabilities because they didn't trade them all for 6th-7ths right? Lol

 

[mikeyz]

Dubas has done very well as GM.

 

[LogicalOrca]

Dubas or no Dubas, it will always remain a tough ask to improve this team given the state of the team today.

But do be careful of what you wish for, for you might end up with a Holland/Benning/Trieveling as his replacement.

 

[All Mod Cons]

 

[All Mod Cons]

Dubas or no Dubas, it will always remain a tough ask to improve this team given the state of the team today.

But do be careful of what you wish for, for you might end up with a Holland/Benning/Trieveling as his replacement.

Or someone like Yzerman, Sakic, Brisebois, Sweeney or Lamiorello

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Unfortunately Toronto got 4 great players. If you think that's an issue go cheer for Buffalo or some other shit team.

The Jared McCann trade and exposure is an example, not pulling the trigger on the Weegar trade, not trading Andersen etc etc.

He's played it safe too often for my liking.

Thanks, but I’ll decide what team to cheer for comrade.

I wasn’t trying to attack you, I was genuinely asking what your definition of Conservative was.

I would suggest Dubas has been aggressive, not Conservative in his management style. He has traded numerous draft pics as one example including some first rounders. That would not be a trait I would consider as being “conservative”.

Slowly building through the draft, resigning players and developing from within the team is what I would consider as a more “conservative” approach.

 

[Myopic]

Why beat around the bush? Dubas has been on tilt for 2 years now and has pushed in all his chips holding a 4 of diamonds and a 9 of clubs.

Leafs Fans are 'forced' to watch this sh*t show in slow motion for the next 10-11 months. Odds are they won't even make the playoffs next season when they have to play against all the teams unlike this year.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Unfortunately Toronto got 4 great players. If you think that's an issue go cheer for Buffalo or some other shit team.

The Jared McCann trade and exposure is an example, not pulling the trigger on the Weegar trade, not trading Andersen etc etc.

He's played it safe too often for my liking.

You don't seem to get it. He's not being "conservative" because he wants to be. He's being conservative because he tied his own hands paying 4 players 50% of the total cap space.

It's a problem of his own creation that he refuses to address.

 

[PuckMagi]

I had liked Dubas, but I expected more out of him. I don't hate him, but I don't love him right now either. Things could be worse... but they could be better too.

 

[Apex Predator]

He should also understand we have/had six Draft picks combined between this and next years Draft.

Pathetic.

They loaded up on draft picks the last two years. This was the year to go all in so I’m okay for not having draft picks.

I think we’re all in agreement this was the year to go all in and use the draft capital. Yeah it didn’t work so be it but that’s the risks you needed to take this year.

 

[keonsbitterness]

If you want to throw around absurd hypotheticals, what happens if the 6th round pick turns out to be another Mark Stone?

Nah, it'll turn out to be another Tom Brady.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

They loaded up on draft picks the last two years. This was the year to go all in so I’m okay for not having draft picks.

I think we’re all in agreement this was the year to go all in and use the draft capital. Yeah it didn’t work so be it but that’s the risks you needed to take this year.

The problem as I see it, is that Dubas is using more and more draft picks to compensate for the salary cap issues he has created by signing 4 players that take up half the cap.

As an example, Dubas could sign UFA’s in the summer to round out the team and fill holes, but instead he has to go shopping at the deadline and give up higher draft picks or prospects because a rental at the deadline fits into their cap structure.

The problem with that approach is that he is compensating for his lack of cap space by raiding their prospect pool, which in itself provides an excellent supply of lower cost contracts and controllable assets.

You can only do that for so long until we end up back in the same situation we were in when Shanahan took over and pledged not to do exactly that.

 

[DcW]

On the conservative debate…he’s been aggressive with picks and prospects and fringe players but very conservative (some would say loyal) to his guys. Right or wrong, he’s admittedly going to sink or swim with them. I’m in the camp of him being too loyal but I guess we won’t have to wait long to find out. Pretty much this season or bust