Kyle Dubas - - Horrible Asset Mismanagement

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Out of all the terrible moves Dubas has pulled, you choose to use this one to start a thread....

 

[Trapper]

While other teams are making moves to improve, I really hope Dubas isn’t wasting his time over a 5th or 6th for Hyman signing in Edmonton.

Sign him or move on please.
We have enough problems.

 

[Donnie740]

Who but you is suggesting that? You do know what the league minimum is? However if the Flames have 8.5M cap space for an 8.5M player and all the Oilers can muster is 8.0M, where do you think the player goes?

If you want to throw around absurd hypotheticals, what happens if the 6th round pick turns out to be another Mark Stone?

 

[darrylsittler27]

Poll 61 percent are less optimistic than May 2018 about Dubas. He has alienated the fans and will leave a huge mess to unravel.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Stop it.

The truth can't be stopped.

 

[Ciao]

I'm only going to post to this effect once, not to be repetitive.

This site is toxic.

Nothing Kyle Dubas does is all-good or all-bad, but you would never get that here. This site goes far beyond normal criticism of sports management. It seems like a personal vendetta against Dubas by a growing number of posters, and in my view it's kind of nutso.

Dubas has made his share of mistakes and deserves criticism for that. I wish he had dug in harder with the Matthews, Marner and Nylander contracts -- and although I didn't agree with it at the time it looks like the Nylander deal is turning out to be fine. I'm never a fan of long-term pain for short-term gains, such as trading away high draft picks for pending free agents in trade deadline deals and we've had a steady diet of that for a while. He made the wrong choice of a backup goaltender the year before last.

I'm not pretending that he is right even most of the time, but despite that not everything his does deserves the personal attacks and criticism he gets. I think it's very vicious and pretty juvenile.

I've always enjoyed following the Leafs since I moved to Toronto from Western Canada in 1980, and before that always enjoyed watching them on Hockey Night in Canada with my family in Manitoba when I got my first pair of skates and took up hockey in 1966. It's always been a pleasant experience.

Even at 61 years of age, I'm still a hopeless homer who once hoped the likes of Laurie Boschman would reach his full potential with the Leafs, etc. I don't understand why anyone who can't stand the players, coaches and managers even bothers to follow the team.

There are a great many posters whose opinions on hockey I deeply respect and enjoy reading. Some of them, and many others who I don't think contribute much of anything of value here, poison that with childish, churlish and immature over-the-top criticisms of Kyle Dubas at every turn.

If someone defends Dubas to the effect that "he's not all bad", that poster is often labeled as a "fan boy", which for a person of my age and experience is very insulting.

I really dislike the unbalanced discussions.

I also find the site very poorly moderated on the whole, when terms such as "Dumbass" etc and stupid, one-sided thread titles such as "Horrible Asset Management" are allowed to remain to taint and flavour the discussions.

I'm planning to take a short break -- I'll be back before too long, I'm sure. I'll miss the genuine hockey discussions but I have no use for all the piss and vinegar and will look for something better to do with my time for just a little bit.

So long. See you soon.

 

[The Podium]

Yeah the Foligno trade was one of Kyle's worst 4 or 5 trades. A lot to choose from though.

Just curious about your 5, I’m assuming one is the Kadri deal and the retention on the Kessel deal but other than that?

 

[Walshy7]

Just curious about your 5, I’m assuming one is the Kadri deal and the retention on the Kessel deal but other than that?

obviously the marleau deal, because Lou would have got Carolinas first and top prospect for marleau of course

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

View attachment 456120 Goodbye cruel message board.

If he thinks this is tough he would be best to stay off Twitter.

This place looks like the ice capades comparatively.

 

[hotpaws]

obviously the marleau deal, because Lou would have got Carolinas first and top prospect for marleau of course

Lou just dumped a worse contract he inherited and it didn't cost him a 1st .

 

[Stonehands1990]

Lou just dumped a worse contract he inherited and it didn't cost him a 1st .

Yeah it cost him 2 2nds and a 3rd which is worse.

 

[PromisedLand]

OP just deleted these two words from the thread title "1) Asset and 2) Management" and I am fully on board with that

 

[hotpaws]

Yeah it cost him 2 2nds and a 3rd which is worse.

two late 2nds a conditional 3rd doesn't get you a mid 1st rd pick and as i already said Ladd's deal is much worse than PM's

 

[The CyNick]

Lou just dumped a worse contract he inherited and it didn't cost him a 1st .

He actually got assets back

 

[HockeyVirus]

Lou just dumped a worse contract he inherited and it didn't cost him a 1st .

That's because Marleau refused to play anywhere but SJ, so the team he went too had to buy him out and have the cap hit plus waste their money. Ladd will just toil away in the AHL

 

[hotpaws]

That's because Marleau refused to play anywhere but SJ, so the team he went too had to buy him out and have the cap hit plus waste their money. Ladd will just toil away in the AHL

Marleau wanted out and we wanted him gone but that doesn't mean Dubie had to be dictated too like he's weak

and Ladd had a modified ntc but Lou still moved him to the shit show that is the Yotes

sad that there's a never ending list of excuses for Dubie , i would have expected the fans would have held there GM to a higher standard

 

[Mergatroidskittle]

I wish I could like this but I don’t seem to have a like button anymore

Well that might say something about how you comment here then no?

 

[The Best Leafs Ever]

We just layed an egg with our own 6th, we would've layed another one. This is just meh, Edmonton screwed themselves by not giving up a higher pick, they will have to pay more AAV with 1 less year on the contract now.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Marleau wanted out and we wanted him gone but that doesn't mean Dubie had to be dictated too like he's a weak bitch

and Ladd had a modified ntc but Lou still moved him to the shit show that is the Yotes

sad that there's a never ending list of excuses for Dubie , i would have expected the fans would have held there GM to a higher standard

People hated Dubas from before he ever had 1 minute as GM. They wanted Hunter and hated his skill approach. They would never give him benefit of the doubt. Toronto's core has failed Dubas, Dubas has done very well as GM.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

People hated Dubas from before he ever had 1 minute as GM. They wanted Hunter and hated his skill approach. They would never give him benefit of the doubt. Toronto's core has failed Dubas, Dubas has done very well as GM.

I think some people thought the combination of Lou + Hunter + Babcock + Dubas was a better management group than choosing to go all in with with an experienced Dubas and now the inexperienced Keefe as coach.

The results of that choice speaks for itself.

 

[Gabriel426]

People hated Dubas from before he ever had 1 minute as GM. They wanted Hunter and hated his skill approach. They would never give him benefit of the doubt. Toronto's core has failed Dubas, Dubas has done very well as GM.

I agree with you till Dubas has done very well as GM.
He hasn’t done anything as a GM. The team is still the same as the ones he took over, which is First round playoff team.
He made both good and bad moves while the end results is the same.
I never believe in what GM said in presser bc that’s PR BS but I am starting to wonder if Dubas really knows what he is doing or actually have the team under control and moving to his direction

 

[hotpaws]

People hated Dubas from before he ever had 1 minute as GM. They wanted Hunter and hated his skill approach. They would never give him benefit of the doubt. Toronto's core has failed Dubas, Dubas has done very well as GM.

it doesn't matter whether people love or hate Dubas since the results on the ice reflect the GM's performance and so far Dubas has been an utter failure

and wtf do you think a skill based approach is ? do you think there's GM's out there that purposely ignore skilled players to load there lineup with unskilled players ?

every team has a skill based approach , the difference between us and many teams is Dubas for some reason doesn't understand Hockey is a contact sport and you can't load your lineup with soft or small players and win the cup

 

[RoadWarrior]

I'm only going to post to this effect once, not to be repetitive.

This site is toxic.

Nothing Kyle Dubas does is all-good or all-bad, but you would never get that here. This site goes far beyond normal criticism of sports management. It seems like a personal vendetta against Dubas by a growing number of posters, and in my view it's kind of nutso.

Dubas has made his share of mistakes and deserves criticism for that. I wish he had dug in harder with the Matthews, Marner and Nylander contracts -- and although I didn't agree with it at the time it looks like the Nylander deal is turning out to be fine. I'm never a fan of long-term pain for short-term gains, such as trading away high draft picks for pending free agents in trade deadline deals and we've had a steady diet of that for a while. He made the wrong choice of a backup goaltender the year before last.

I'm not pretending that he is right even most of the time, but despite that not everything his does deserves the personal attacks and criticism he gets. I think it's very vicious and pretty juvenile.

I've always enjoyed following the Leafs since I moved to Toronto from Western Canada in 1980, and before that always enjoyed watching them on Hockey Night in Canada with my family in Manitoba when I got my first pair of skates and took up hockey in 1966. It's always been a pleasant experience.

Even at 61 years of age, I'm still a hopeless homer who once hoped the likes of Laurie Boschman would reach his full potential with the Leafs, etc. I don't understand why anyone who can't stand the players, coaches and managers even bothers to follow the team.

There are a great many posters whose opinions on hockey I deeply respect and enjoy reading. Some of them, and many others who I don't think contribute much of anything of value here, poison that with childish, churlish and immature over-the-top criticisms of Kyle Dubas at every turn.

If someone defends Dubas to the effect that "he's not all bad", that poster is often labeled as a "fan boy", which for a person of my age and experience is very insulting.

I really dislike the unbalanced discussions.

I also find the site very poorly moderated on the whole, when terms such as "Dumbass" etc and stupid, one-sided thread titles such as "Horrible Asset Management" are allowed to remain to taint and flavour the discussions.

I'm planning to take a short break -- I'll be back before too long, I'm sure. I'll miss the genuine hockey discussions but I have no use for all the piss and vinegar and will look for something better to do with my time for just a little bit.

So long. See you soon.

Let me help you with this one:

"Fanboy" Definition from the Oxford Dictionary:
NOUN

informal

• A male fan, especially one who is obsessive about comics, music, movies, or science fiction.

VERB

[NO OBJECT]informal

• (of a male fan) behave in an obsessive or overexcited way.

Describing a "fanboy" of Kyle Dubas is describing a person who behaves in an obsessive or overexcited way about his leadership position with the team.

That's a perfectly reasonable criticism as any objective person can see that his track record to date does not warrant such excitement.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

I agree with you till Dubas has done very well as GM.
He hasn’t done anything as a GM. The team is still the same as the ones he took over, which is First round playoff team.
He made both good and bad moves while the end results is the same.
I never believe in what GM said in presser bc that’s PR BS but I am starting to wonder if Dubas really knows what he is doing or actually have the team under control and moving to his direction

I think Dubas’s issue has been that he thinks, or thought, he could build a pure skilled, offence first team in the salary cap era and win the Stanley Cup. I don’t think that’s possible. He seems to be changing his mindset now, but he has squandered several years of the Matthews era along with numerous draft pics and prospects to learn his lesson.

And unfortunately he still hasn’t addressed his largest blunder which is that he has committed half of the Leafs cap space to 4 players that don’t have a good enough supporting cast to get past the first round.

 

[DarkKnight]

People hated Dubas from before he ever had 1 minute as GM. They wanted Hunter and hated his skill approach. They would never give him benefit of the doubt. Toronto's core has failed Dubas, Dubas has done very well as GM.

That’s such nonsense. And I love how it’s you that mentions Hunter, when most haven’t given the guy a second thought in years. And, it works both ways, we’ve shit the bed again this year and you still have his fan club not even able to admit any failings. Maybe don’t pay your core like 5 time defending champs before they’ve won a round, who’s that on “the core that failed him”, or the guy who bet on zero practical success? Again, what have we accomplished to deserve “benefit of the doubt”? You earn that by results, not a man crush you’ve had since day one.