Speculation: Kyle Dubas having trouble finding trade partners

[Tufted Titmouse]

Dubas has been difficult for the sake of it. That comes back to bite you in any job in any industry.

Summer of 2021 it was clear the Leafs didn't have money for Zach Hyman and he was going to sign with Edmonton. Dubas wouldn't take a low draft pick from the Oilers to do a sign and trade so the Oilers could sign Hyman to an eight-year deal. Dubas with his refusal to "bend the knee" comment.

That is only one team. But hey, Dubas was satisfied essentially telling the Oilers to go f*ck themselves publicly. Nobody says the deal had to happen. But the comment after the fact was the crappy part where Dubas went too far.

[MOD]

this is a hilarious post...."Dubas should have helped my team for free, what a douche for not doing so".

we're both trying to win the same thing!

 

[DuklaNation]

Dubas is still at the kids table. Trades benefit from established relationships.

 

[Harry Curry]

this is a hilarious post...."Dubas should have helped my team for free, what a douche for not doing so".

No need to mischaracterize my post. I stand by what I write. You re-phrasing what I wrote to attack me over it is the really douchey thing. Behaving like a douche means Dubas has trouble finding trade partners.

Here is the douchiness from Dubas

“I know that there’s a narrative that we should just get something, but when you’re saving a team significant dollars on the salary cap that comes with a cost and we’re not going to bend on that.”

Yes, Dubas should have just gotten something.

What is the cost to the Leafs of doing the sign and trade?

 

[BlueBaron]

you're acting like he isnt already known as being one of the worst negotiators in the league.

He's not really considered a bad trader so of course he's acting that way.

 

[The Podium]

That's the attitude that is making it difficult to find trading partners.

No, Dubas never said he wanted more than was offered.



What was the cost to Dubas to do the sign and trade?
This inflexibility is part of why Dubas can't find a trade partner.

Wasn’t the rumored cost Dubas asking for a 3rd or 4th and Edmonton was offering a 6th or 7th?

I think a mid round pick for a favour isn’t some crazy ask

 

[Harry Curry]

Wasn’t the rumored cost Dubas asking for a 3rd or 4th and Edmonton was offering a 6th or 7th?


I think a mid round pick for a favour isn’t some crazy ask

Dubas never articulated what he was asking for that I saw.

Again, you might think his ask wasn't crazy. But the key here is Dubas' difficulty finding trade partners.

Dubas screwed Ken Holland on the sign and trade over an unrevealed difference between a middle and late round pick? That is the kind of behaviour that makes it difficult to find trade partners.

 

[The Podium]

Dubas never articulated what he was asking for that I saw.

Again, you might think his ask wasn't crazy. But the key here is Dubas' difficulty finding trade partners.

Dubas screwed Ken Holland on the sign and trade over an unrevealed difference between a middle and late round pick? That is the kind of behaviour that makes it difficult to find trade partners.

When has Dubas had difficulty trading? This article is about difficulty getting rid of scrubs that belong on waivers, let’s not pretend like it’s a credible source.

You are reading wayyy too much into it

From Dreger

“Ongoing discussions primarily with the Edmonton Oilers although there are some who believe that the Toronto Maple Leafs aren’t officially out. But look, if the Oilers are going to have access to that eighth year, then it has to be a sign and trade and Kyle Dubas and Ken Holland are going to have to communicate on what the compensation is going to be. The Oilers aren’t going to feel comfortable paying a third- or a fourth-round pick, they look at a sixth- or a seventh-round pick as compensation. Otherwise, they’ll wait until the 28th. We know that Zach Hyman spent at least a good part of Wednesday in Edmonton meeting with the brass and touring the city. So you might want to put a little bit of money on the Oilers.”

 

[Djp]

I'm not a fan of Dubois but he's not the only one having a hard time with trades. Cap space is a major issue and I believe it has to be salary in matching salary out. Trades are not easy at the moment and we need a bit more desperation from some GM's to see anything happen.

I agree with you.

nothing has changed since the summer.

any trades made are going to need to be cap hit neutral.

the 6 teams or so with cap space (some in his division) do not need to make a trade just to help Dumbas out.

 

[Christ]

How many teams are up against the cap at this point? Not many deals out their because of this, any deal that does go down will likely require creativity to satisfy the cap.

 

[shortfuze]

That's the attitude that is making it difficult to find trading partners.




What was the cost to Dubas to do the sign and trade?
This inflexibility is part of why Dubas can't find a trade partner.

the murray trade, ritchie trade and foligno trade come to mind but i was thinking his contracts. matthews, marner, nylander, reilly, muzzin, mrazek, engvall. as well as the agents poll saying to get a great deal they overwhemling want to deal with dubas.

They got a useful players for the playoffs in the Ritchie trade and dumped his contract.

Supposedly there were other teams also offering up a 1st in the foligno deal so it’s not like Columbus took only Toronto to the woodshed.

I’ll give you the Murray trade.

Meh, you win some, you lose some.

Nylander, Rielly and Muzzin contracts were fine. Matthews and Marner were a bit overpaid. Again, all GM’s win some and lose some.

 

[Harry Curry]

When has Dubas had difficulty trading?

So you reject the premise of the article? Good for you.

You are the hero the Internet needs today!

From Dreger

Why would you look up an article, if it exists as you claim, without providing the link?

 

[The Podium]

So you reject the premise of the article? Good for you.

You are the hero the Internet needs today!


Why would you look up an article, if it exists as you claim, without providing the link?

You think I made up that quote?

Leafs ruining Hyman sign and trade with Oilers

Toronto is not out of it and acts tough in negotiations…

www.hockeyfeed.com

 

[Harry Curry]

You think I made up that quote?

Leafs ruining Hyman sign and trade with Oilers

Toronto is not out of it and acts tough in negotiations…

www.hockeyfeed.com

Why would you look up an article, if it exists as you claim, without providing the link?

 

[The Podium]

Why would you look up an article, if it exists as you claim, without providing the link?

Why would you believe I wrote that quote? Seems silly of you

 

[Leaf Fans]

Dubas has been difficult for the sake of it. That comes back to bite you in any job in any industry.

Summer of 2021 it was clear the Leafs didn't have money for Zach Hyman and he was going to sign with Edmonton. Dubas wouldn't take a low draft pick from the Oilers to do a sign and trade so the Oilers could sign Hyman to an eight-year deal. Dubas with his refusal to "bend the knee" comment.

That is only one team. But hey, Dubas was satisfied essentially telling the Oilers to go f*ck themselves publicly. Nobody says the deal had to happen. But the comment after the fact was the crappy part where Dubas went too far.

[MOD]

I doubt Dubas would have trouble finding trade partners because Holland wouldn't step up. Besides, Dubas has found trade partners since Holland messed up.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Dubas "ruining" Hyman is maybe the stupidest anti-Dubas narrative out there and both of you should feel shame. Got to the penalty box, please.

 

[Harry Curry]

I doubt Dubas would have trouble finding trade partners because Holland wouldn't step up. Besides, Dubas has found trade partners since Holland messed up.

There are 31 trade partners for NHL GMs. It ain't that big a group.

 

[Harry Curry]

Why would you believe I wrote that quote? Seems silly of you

Third time I'm asking my question. You answered the first two with a question.

Why would you look up an article and quote it without providing the link?

 

[The Podium]

Third time I'm asking my question. You answered the first two with a question.

Why would you look up an article and quote it without providing the link?

Because I didn’t think it was necessary

 

[Leaf Fans]

There are 31 trade partners for NHL GMs. It ain't that big a group.

Enough for all GMs though.

 

[sxvnert]

Gee, I'm shocked that offerring garbage to other teams doesn't have GMs falling overthemselves to offer top shelf talent.

 

[nturn06]

Holland wouldn't have been able to sign him for 8 years regardless. You can only sign a player for 8 years if you own their rights prior to trade deadline

So what are you implying is that Dubas could had gotten a free pick from the Oilers with the Oilers gaining nothing in the deal and he said no....

Let me guess that makes Dubas a genious....

 

[nturn06]

They got a useful players for the playoffs in the Ritchie trade and dumped his contract.

Supposedly there were other teams also offering up a 1st in the foligno deal so it’s not like Columbus took only Toronto to the woodshed.

I’ll give you the Murray trade.

Meh, you win some, you lose some.

Nylander, Rielly and Muzzin contracts were fine. Matthews and Marner were a bit overpaid. Again, all GM’s win some and lose some.

I never understood the logic beyond the bolded. A bad deal is a bad deal no matter if there were other suckers or not.

 

[DragoGrizzly]

No need to mischaracterize my post. I stand by what I write. You re-phrasing what I wrote to attack me over it is the really douchey thing. Behaving like a douche means Dubas has trouble finding trade partners.

Here is the douchiness from Dubas



Yes, Dubas should have just gotten something.

What is the cost to the Leafs of doing the sign and trade?

I genuinely don’t know what part you think is douchey there from that quote. GMs don’t do deals because of unmet costs all the time. Dubas is saying he has a price and he’s not bending on that price. Isn’t that pretty common?

 

[Spawn]

I genuinely don’t know what part you think is douchey there from that quote. GMs don’t do deals because of unmet costs all the time. Dubas is saying he has a price and he’s not bending on that price. Isn’t that pretty common?

I don’t think it’s all that common where there is a situation where one team could help another team, one that isn’t in the same conference mind you, and there is no subsequent cost to the team.

Dubas essentially lost a free draft pick because he wasn’t willing to sign his name and send a fax.

It ended up costing the Oilers a few thousand dollars a year against their cap at the benefit of 1 fewer year on the deal.

He turned down a free asset just so he could burn another team who he isn’t really competing with. Hence being difficult to deal with.